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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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I'd like to get it off my chest that I hate these cameras.

Now, my question is if I entered an intersection on obvious yellow and almost went through but got stuck because of sudden traffic almost to the crosswalk on the other side until it was red, would this trigger off the camera? Or is the camera only triggered after someone enters on red? No one entered after me but there were 2 others inside the intersection with me.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:02 PM
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if you entered an intersection on a yellow, any officer could give you a ticket, anywhere in the US, for failure to obey a traffic signal, or some variation of that.


www.photoblocker.com
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:04 PM
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OTOH, if it took a picture, you'd have photographic evidence that you could potentially argue, if you have a lawyer and are willing to go to trial.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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Could you be more clear? From what it sounds like, the end result is that you'd be in the middle of an intersection, stopped due to congestion ahead of you. Is that the scene you're describing?
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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Seems to me you are entirely at fault. Part of your
responsibility as a driver is to obey all signals. Addditionally,
you are responsible to drive in a manner as to not obstruct
traffic-- in this case sitting in the middle of an intersection.
If you see that the light is yellow and there is congestion
ahead, you should know better to stop at the line and wait for
the next green light.
Yellow light does not mean speed up b/c I'm gonna turn red.
It means that you stop at the line and wait. You obviously
must have missed that day of driver's ed class.
Living in the L.A. area with cameras at literally every intersection, it
should be an automatic reaction to stop when you see a yellow.
You rather chose to be an idiotic driver by first running the yellow
and second blocking the flow of cross traffic.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:18 PM
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^^ x2
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by scionetics
Seems to me you are entirely at fault. Part of your
responsibility as a driver is to obey all signals. Addditionally,
you are responsible to drive in a manner as to not obstruct
traffic-- in this case sitting in the middle of an intersection.
If you see that the light is yellow and there is congestion
ahead, you should know better to stop at the line and wait for
the next green light.
Yellow light does not mean speed up b/c I'm gonna turn red.
It means that you stop at the line and wait. You obviously
must have missed that day of driver's ed class.
Living in the L.A. area with cameras at literally every intersection, it
should be an automatic reaction to stop when you see a yellow.
You rather chose to be an idiotic driver by first running the yellow
and second blocking the flow of cross traffic.

break it down for him!
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:27 PM
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I asked a cop friend of mine how those cameras work.

He told me that when the light turns RED it takes a picture of the white stop line and then takes one of the intersection if a vehicle should happen to cross the line as it is snapping a shot of it.

So according to him it only does it when RED, not YELLOW.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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Ticket Assassin.
Got a BS ticket a while back. Cop said i was going 70 in a 40 .... yea right. Maybe 55 but not 70! Used the website to fight the ticket and won. Case was dropped and no points on record and fine was refunded. Check it out if you want. http://www.ticketassassin.com
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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Here is the link for the forms u need in order to fight the ticket by mail like I did. http://www.ticketassassin.com/docs070169/forms.html
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:32 PM
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I don't think the point of this should be how to get around
getting your pic taken by these cameras. It should be not
driving in a stupid manner and potentially creating a situation
of harm for others on the road.

It's a pretty simple concept. The light turns yellow-- you
stop at the line. If you get a ticket-- You deserve it.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cherryBox
if you entered an intersection on a yellow, any officer could give you a ticket, anywhere in the US, for failure to obey a traffic signal, or some variation of that.


www.photoblocker.com
Actually in California's "21453(a) CVC Failure to Stop at Red Signal." states that "A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a marked limit line...on the near side of the intersection... ."

The officer may misunderstand that it is legal to cautiously enter an intersection (cross the near side limit line) on a yellow light, only entering an intersection on a steady circular red light is forbidden by CVC 21453(a)

Im not trying to condone reckless driving. Just merely stating the law as its written. Also some of the red light cameras may not be installed and calibrated right.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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pffft im unstoppable.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 09:23 PM
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They are triggered by road sensors and only on red (the ones around here anyway). As for the photoblocker stuff, a news station and the PD did a test of their products. The only one that works visably distorts your plate so you'd get a ticket for that.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 09:31 PM
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There isn't a problem with going through on yellow - as long as you actually go through, and don't have to speed up to do so.

Yellow is a warning before red. This means that you need to stop, or if you're too close to stop, then keep going.

As long as the back of your car (aka, your entire vehicle) crosses the other side of the intersection before red, nothing illegal happened.

If you ask me, I think they need a second yellow that lights up right before the light turns green. It would make it easier for me to shift into first and get ready at intersections where I haven't learned the pattern (and where its not night so its hard to see the other signals). You know, European style - but our society is lazy so no one cares.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 09:44 PM
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the definition of a yello light is "stop unless otherwise unsafe to stop " mean like above stated if the light is green and turns yellow as you are making your way through the intersection its fine but if your an idiot and decide you need to floor it to get through the intersection you deserve a ticket stop worring about what your getting a ticket for and drive by road laws and you wont have to worry about any tickets simple as that
Old Dec 3, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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California is plagued with these lights. Yellow has nothing to do with getting a ticket.
BUT if you are in the intersection ANYWHERE when your direction turns red SNAP you are busted. Here is the really crappy part. Let's say some jack ___ in front of you slams on their brakes and your butt is still in the intersection....click smile you just got a ticket. Here is something to be VERY CAREFUL about. When and if you cross the white stopline of your direction when the light is red. in otherwords, creeping like so many impatient people do....YOU WILL GET A RED LIGHT ticket. Fair...no, happens YES. If you stop with your nose of your vehicle over the stop line and the light is red DO NOT MOVE PERIOD you take the risk of setting off the camera.

So basically, be patient don't try to beat a light. Is a little impatience worth 300 dollars? Nah, I would rather invest 5 minutes of patience and buy a CAI.
Old Dec 3, 2006 | 12:23 AM
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When you see a yellow light you should stop or cross if you can do so safely (the camera or the police officer gets to judge whether it was safe or not). I was caught running a red light before and had to pay $351 plus traffic school. I hate those damn cameras so much that I bought photoblocker. I'm sure it works. Just for your information, I don't run red lights like a crazy maniac. I just don't want to be fined $300+ because a stupid camera took my picture.
Old Dec 3, 2006 | 12:28 AM
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I have been in situations where you're in an unfamiliar area with really short yellows. Those just seem unfair...
Old Dec 3, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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they are....i think the yellow has to be at least 4 seconds or something like that. If the yellow is shorter than that, you can contest the ticket.



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