saabaru 9-2x >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tc

i would so get one if i didnt already have a car....arg

 

haha yuck the saabs are so damn ugly now

 

now if only it looked more like the 9-3 sports sedan, then i would consider it. other than it, its fugly

 

If I didn't have my TC I would jump all over that deal!!!!!! The 9-2X for 19,800 is great!!!!! I went to the site and checked it out, I like the car in Red.

 

Um...I was talking about cost of ownership...not depreciation. The Saab would cost more in the long run to maintain than the TC. First off like I stated before, Luxury car dealers and technicians tend to charge a bit more for regular scheduled maintenance like Oil changes, tire rotation and balancing, fluid replacement and so forth. If you dont believe me, call your local Saab Dealer then call your Toyota dealer and compare prices.

Better yet....I've got those prices for you right now. Not to forget, like qbiceman said, you have to run Premium gas...as opposed to the 87 that we can run in our TCs. Here are those prices i was talking about on Maintenence:

Saab 92x Aero

Oil change: 39.99
Wheel Rotation and Balance: 70.00
Front End Alignment 99.00
30k mile tuneup 700.00


Scion TC

Oil Change : 29.99
Wheel Rotation and Balance: 44.95
Front End Alignment: 69.99
30k Mile Tuneup: 250.00

The numbers dont lie. I got the prices from my local Scion Dealer and Saab Dealer.

 

Yes, I know as I own a Saab, but the cost of ownership (as shown on KBB site) it composed of depreciation, financing, insurance, fuel, maintenance and repairs. Most of the difference between the two cars is in depreciation and financing, but that is because KBB assumes you pay $30K for the 9-2x. If you pay $20K then the depreciation and financing will be the same as the tC or even lower. As for maintenance, it is free for the first two years for 9-2x, so that saves you money even though the prices are higher. And 9-2x has 4 years warranty, not 3, so that saves you on repairs. Overall , they HAVE THE SAME COST OF OWNERSHIP. In fact Edmunds rates the 9-2x as the lowest cost of ownership vehicle in its category.

 

Ok besides the 2 year 24k free maintenance(which i did not know about until you said and I confermed with my local dealer)...the fact is, the car still costs MORE to maintain that the TC. That was my point. Not tryin to harp or anything just wanted to show that it is more expensive to own a luxury car IE Saab than it is to own a Toyota.

 

Oh I forgot, for $500.00 you can get the scion maintenance package which includes free maint. for 46k miles, if im not mistaken.

 

^^^ Mines for 75K miles, it's dealer specific. I can also get a full showroom detail for $75 with mine.

 

Wow...you made out well on that one. They offered a 100k mile one for over $1000. I opted for the cheaper one.

 

From the parts perspective, if any of you break anything on your Saab, consider yourself screwed. $280.00 at my price (dealership) for a light bulb. Better hope a lot of these get in accidents cuz the junkyard is bout the only place you'll be able to afford parts. Not to mention the ridiculous price on engine parts. A few months ago we had one in the body shop, first, Saab is junk Subaru or not, it sucks. Second, if your gonna make that kind of investment get the longest warranty physically possible cuz if anything goes wrong your paying out your **** for replacement parts. Just my input from a dealership cost perspective.

 

well I guess you don't know much about cost of ownership, because the largest item is usually the depreciation, and that in turn depends on the original price of the car, so that's the main difference between owning an expensive car and a cheap car. It's true that mainenance and repairs can also be expensive, but that's why most luxury cars come with a long 4-5 year warranty and free maintenace for 2-4 years. Also after the warranty/free maintenance period you can usually take your car to other places besides the dealership to fix them. This is especially true for the 9-2x which you can take to any Subaru shop as it's practically the same car. And the repairs and maintenance costs of the Subaru are very reasonable and not more then other brands like Toyota and Honda.

So that what cost of ownership means - it's the sum of all costs of owning a car, primarily the depreciation cost which is very low for the tC (projected at less then $2000/year over the first five years), but sometimes it's very high (like it's over $4000 on my Saab 9-3 so far during it's first 3 years). Add to that the financing cost which is also directly correlated to the original price of the car and you see some luxury car owners could be paying over $7000/year compared to as low as $4000/year for cheap cars.

 

I bet you screwed up your HID?

 

So you agree that the Scion TC has a lower cost of ownership opposed to the Saab 92x Aero?

 

Wasn't my car...came into the body shop, I asked em, out of curiousity how much it would cost at my price...just for the bulb...not the entire set up...and I got quoted 280..hehe...think 2 or 3 times that for a normal person.

 

First, personally.. I am not impressed by anything Saab... not to mention they are ugly as hell to me.

But along the lines of GM, there is a reason they are offering that discount. They are in dire financial trouble right now. I cant remember how many years straight now.. but they are 100% in the red, losing money every minute. And now they are looking at how much they can tap from pension funds to stay afloat. The last report I heard from financial analysts said they could go on between 5 and 10 years like this before they close the doors completely, so they had better do something.

I hate to see this situation. I liked GM for a long time. So many people will hate them either way because they are american... funny since it is americans saying this. That is a shame. They have all the know how... way more experience at building cars and a lot of good ideas. But poor management, sitting on their past acheivements and (dare I start another argument about this) unions have really hurt them.

Hope they pull their heads out and correct this soon or they (As well as our economy in a HUGE way) will suffer.

 

Agreed, it is very sad that they are in this much of a financial "pickle". I hope they will rebound from all of this soon.

 

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This is with the performance package, which comes with 17 inch wheels, and sunroof, and you can't order one without the other...Maybe still not a bad deal, but quite a bit more than a TC, if you want the higher HP model..

 

Total $29,595 subtract the $6,000 GM discount and you still have $23,595. With taxes and fees it's about $25,500. That's about $6,500 more than the total charge of a stock TC automatic after all taxes and fees. I'm not going into denial. The Saab is the nicer car, but $6,500 for most tC owner's is more than a third of their total cost and just not affordable.

I'd much rather compare the Linear with the tC, because with the incentive the costs would be similar. But the way the GM special is setup is that you have to take it from dealer stock. Try finding a stock Linear with no options. There aren't any.

Kinda off topic. I am never getting another car with a turbo again. I've owned a 00 Audi A4 1.8t Quattro purchased new and it was the biggest piece of crap on wheels. It was in the shop every week. New transmission, suspension, brake system, turbo, control arms, gaskets, etc. in less than 2 years. Thankfully, dealer service and warranty were great and was done at no cost. I've noticed the same friendly comprehensive (and free) service at Mercedes and BMW, but they kinda have to be with all the problems they have. (i've even had my brake pads and console items replaced for free) Toyota has the worst service. Everyone is mean and they lie through their teeth. (ie. yea sure there's a problem, but i can't do anything about it) But thankfully you won't have to go very often, cuz the cars are bulletproof. So if Saab is anything like the German dealers, then it will only cost you more in terms of time and sanity.

 

I agree with the reliability. I have never seen a Saab without a million issues over time, and they DO cost more to work on 99.99% of the time. Its to the point that my father will not even take on in his shop.