Notices
Scion tC 1G Owners Lounge
2005-2010 [ANT10]

Shifting smoothly

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:44 PM
  #1  
xsupermario's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 102
Default Shifting smoothly

Hey guys, I am fairly new to manual transmissions, only have about a total of 30mins using one. And was wondering what your guys technique is for shifting smoothly. I have driven my friends 01 z06 and I could shift that thing like butter, but with the tc its not even close to that. It's giving me a headache. So can anyone give me some tips. Oh yeah and do you guys gas then clutch out slowly? cause i let go of clutch till gripping point then gas.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:50 PM
  #2  
rcf22's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 680
From: West Lafayette, IN
Default

As you get more comfortable it'll come to you. Many have noticed the tC transmission is a little tricky to get smooth. I've had mine for a year (and 5 years of manual driving on other cars) and still get a rough start occasionally.

Try slowly letting the gas on as you feel the clutch start to "grab," then gradually increase it till it's in gear.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:51 PM
  #3  
TheMerovingian's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 774
From: NJ
Default

Change the trans fluid. That will help a lot. I also feather/ride the clutch in first and second in order to keep it smooth. I only do that if there's someone else in the car and I don't want them bouncing around.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:54 PM
  #4  
DanielNC06's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Premium Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 304
Default

yeah feathering/blipping the gas helps alot.....but takes some practice...
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:17 PM
  #5  
Amphia's Avatar
Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 88
Default

well, the way u balance is the key, for me...clutch and gas balance is not the same, i let the clutch out a lil first then gas with it.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:24 PM
  #6  
WoLF's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 167
From: Miami, FL
Default

Just Power shift! Full Throttle, and Shift to 2nd but dont let go of gas, and keep doing to other gears. Thats the best way and keep an eye on the RPM's. LoL j/k

Like everyone said, its a bit rough, i drove a mustang for a long time and it feels the same.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:38 PM
  #7  
engifineer's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Scikotics
SL Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 9,731
From: Minneapolis, MN
Default

Originally Posted by TheMerovingian
Change the trans fluid. That will help a lot.
That wont help anything. Changing to a better oil in the tranny may make the shifter feel smoother (but very little difference) but it has no effect on the smooth release of the clutch. No oil comes in contact with the clutch. Smoothness in taking off and releasing the clutch is all about timing and technique.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:40 PM
  #8  
stevejohns29's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,086
From: Kittanning, PA
Default

Originally Posted by engifineer
Originally Posted by TheMerovingian
Change the trans fluid. That will help a lot.
That wont help anything. Changing to a better oil in the tranny may make the shifter feel smoother (but very little difference) but it has no effect on the smooth release of the clutch. No oil comes in contact with the clutch. Smoothness in taking off and releasing the clutch is all about timing and technique.
Agreed
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:41 PM
  #9  
jct's Avatar
jct
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 13,961
Default

i still grind my gears every once 'n' while and i've been driving it for 5 years now
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:47 PM
  #10  
BZinn1's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Balliztik
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 9,538
From: Washington
Default

do you have a hill to goto with no traffic.........now hear me out.

practice finding the clutch grab point on the hill with no gas,then practice adding gas,that will give you a better idea mechanically where your clutch grabs at,then just repeat with normal driving through the gears,once you learn the sound of the correct RPMs it is easy,take your time for a few days to a week of driving and learn the car correctly then you will have less issues later on.....tC clutch is a pain till you get it down.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:53 PM
  #11  
nodsetse's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,338
From: San Diego (Mira Mesa), CA
Default

Every car is different, you'll adapt over time.

Still, the tC's clutch sux more than anything I've ever driven, which is a LOT of vehicles over more than 30yrs.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:53 PM
  #12  
engifineer's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Scikotics
SL Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 9,731
From: Minneapolis, MN
Default

I actually found it very easy to learn and drive. It just depends on what you are used to. In his case, he is new to a manual transmission so it will be a learning curve either way.

The key though is to slip the clutch as little as possible. Slipping the clutch equals clutch wear = a spendy repair early on. A clutch can easilly last 100,000 - 150,000 miles if driven properly, but wont if you slip it excessively. So you will just need to learn how to slip it just enough to be smooth and nothing more.

Honestly, when I teach someone to drive one, I get them started and teach them a little, then leave it to them. The only way to learn is to just keep doing it.
Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:35 PM
  #13  
xroad2oblivionx's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 269
From: NJ
Default

the tc was really hard to get used to and it gave me alot of head aches when i first started driving
I found that letting off the gas completely then engaging the clutch and dis-engaging it while applying gas makes shifting much smoother.
Also it helps to rev a little higher than you normally would and then feathering the clutch.
practice makes perfect! Just bring some advil
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 12:50 AM
  #14  
TylerC08's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,200
From: KCMO
Default

Originally Posted by engifineer
Honestly, when I teach someone to drive one, I get them started and teach them a little, then leave it to them. The only way to learn is to just keep doing it.
So true. You can concentrate better when you are alone v.s. having someone watch your every move. Plus sometimes the teacher can get frustrated and then everyone is ____ed off and yelling at each other. lol
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 01:36 AM
  #15  
xsupermario's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 102
Default

Alright so I guess I will just have to keep practicing thanks for your guys' input.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 01:21 PM
  #16  
yoitstiffson's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 53
From: Palmer,Ma
Default

Yeah I've been driving mine for over a year now and I still get the bouncing around, and I know its not my driving because i drive other sticks just fine!

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one saying it my boyfriend thinks I'm nuts!
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 01:34 PM
  #17  
TheMerovingian's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 774
From: NJ
Default



You know what really grinds my gears? When I grind my gears!

Old Apr 29, 2009 | 01:38 PM
  #18  
rosedaleny806's Avatar
Banned
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Fail, INC
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,041
From: QUEENS718, NOA YORK!
Default

yeah I grind sumtimes letting go of the clutch to quickly etc. I was so use to my stage 1 clutch in my jetta and how easy it was to drive that car, with this one I jus let go of the clutch slowly and peddle the gas, sumtimes ofcourse it jumps around but not much. tranny fluid will jus make the shifting smoother
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 02:06 PM
  #19  
indyTC's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 491
From: NE Indianapolis
Default

before the tc i never drove a stick..I learned on the tc and it took 15 mins...They threw me on the streets and said figure it out lol...
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 02:16 PM
  #20  
Jan06xB's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,971
From: Tiverton, RI
Default

Yeah the real problem is the drive by wire throttle in the engine that has a slight delay in gas pedal response and also plays around a little as the RPMs drop when the clutch starts to load down the engine a little as it grabs. Being a little more steady and smoother on the gas pedal is probably key. On my xB I find that between gears it is best to let off the gas completely for about half a second then push the clutch in, shift to the next gear and let the clutch out and then back on the gas works out best.



All times are GMT. The time now is 04:52 PM.