I am a newb to this as well. So I apologize for my ignorance at this.


I thought I heard somewhere that the short shifter wears on your clutch faster. Is this true?

 

No. It just increases the amount of effort it takes to change gears, but reduces the length of the throws.

 

I'm confused. Is the quickshifter option I keep hearing will come out the same as the short throw kit being discussed?

 

Should be. Just different names for the same thing. What did you hear about the "quickshifter"?

 

exactly...supercharger for matrix is a good example

 

Just an FYI, we'll be releasing a short shift kit for the tC within a couple weeks. We'll be testing with the car later this week.

Thanks,

Karl
TWM

 

anyone know if the TRD STS if supposed to include a new shift ****? stupid question, i know, noob ignorance :oops:

 

Good news. I want it

 

Awesome. I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's opinion on the short shifter and hopefully, putting one in. I've never driven a short shifter, but I like the sound of shorter throw distances.

Dumb newb question: is this the same thing as installing a shorter shift stick? Why make shifting require more effort?

 

yes and no... it does shorten the stick height, but it usually has other design elements that reduce the throw as well.

and i think whoever said it increases shift effort meant the other way around... it reduces shift effort.

 

i totally agree.

 

No, it increases shift effort. Simple leverage: You still need to move the linkage into the transmission the same amount to get it into gear, but the amount you move the shift **** is reduced. Therefore, since we know how levers work, the force will need to be increased if the distance is decrease. If you put a foot-long extension on your shifter the distance would be increased while the force you would need to exert would be decreased.

You don't get something for nothing.

 

the length of the lever stays the same they just move the ball on lever down to decrease the length that the linkage moves when you shift atleast thats how the do it on hondas with some cars it uses an adapter and still uses the stock lever. so it still takes the same effort to shift the throw is just shorter

 

I think you've got this one wrong. Granted, I've never driven a SS, but think about it - there are a couple levers, but the important one is the one that you put your hand on to shift. If they "moved the ball down the lever", you'd end up with a shifter of the same length, but you wouldn't put your hand at the top. You could do that with the stock shifter - put your hand on top of the boot so you have about 3 or 4 inches of shifter sticking out the top of your hand - voila - short shifter! Honestly that would "technically" work, it would just look stupid and stuff. You could saw off the top of your shifter - same thing. It will increase the effort required to push the shifter between gears, but I don't think that will be a problem - less movement takes more effort. No worries.

 

2JZ, JasonH:

Thanks for the info, it's definitely appreciated. But I got another for you: how much more effort is required?

 

If you have to worry about how much more effort will be required, don't buy it. How hard could it possibly be to shift a car? With the stock height, its effortless. Its amazing how many followers we have on this board that just want to have something because it sounds cool and everyone else likes it

 

I don't have to worry about how much more effort will be required; I was just curious. I don't have any experience with short shifters, but I know what the end result is and, like I said before, shorter throws sound good to me. I have test driven the tC, and you're right - the stock height is effortless. I guess I should rephrase the question: is the extra effort noticeable?

Am I a follower because I liked the idea of a short shifter and wanted to clear up the dumb questions I had about 'em? I didn't think so, but you've opened my eyes, now. I am a lamb to be lead wherever fashion, sparkly objects, and the wind go before me.

 

How much more effort is a question that only can be answered when the a short shifter is actually released. When a company develops a short shifter, that is something that they try to balance: if the throws are too short, the effort may be too high, and if they keep the effort low, the throws might not be short enough to make a difference. I sat in a Matrix with a TRD short shifter at my dealership and it felt really nice. Effort was higher than my tC, but the throws were very short and crisp, almost Miata-like (which may have the best stock shifter ever.)

If somebody releases an adjustable short shifter (like I have in my MX-3) you can tailor the length to suit by moving the pivot. Move the pivot down, longer throws but less effort; move it up, more effort but shorter thows.

 

[quote="JasonH"]How much more effort is a question that only can be answered when the a short shifter is actually released. When a company develops a short shifter, that is something that they try to balance: if the throws are too short, the effort may be too high, and if they keep the effort low, the throws might not be short enough to make a difference. I sat in a Matrix with a TRD short shifter at my dealership and it felt really nice. Effort was higher than my tC, but the throws were very short and crisp, almost Miata-like (which may have the best stock shifter ever.)

If somebody releases an adjustable short shifter (like I have in my MX-3) you can tailor the length to suit by moving the pivot. Move the pivot down, longer throws but less effort; move it up, more effort but shorter thows.[/quote

Excellent answer - cleared up the rest of the questions I had. Thanks!]