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Old May 26, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrawn
On a side note, and a completely different subject (sorry for the hi-jack) can anyone comment on the reliability of the 3000 GT VR4? I've been looking into one as a project car of sorts. I would find one used, regardless of its condition, and pretty much rebuild it, including the entire drive train. But I would probably use OEM for a lot of the parts, and I don’t want to re-build a car that's just going to give a ton a problem. So, I would appreciate any insight since we're on the subject of Mitsu quality.
I had a 94 Dodge Stealth R/T TT. It is basically the same car as the 3000gt vr4. Very quick, and easy to mod, but you will have problems, guaranteed. I can't think of everything off the top of my head, but here's a few:
Transmission rebuilt at 65k
Headgasket replaced at 79k
Suspension problems (grinding noises, loss of stability at high speeds) - never resolved, I got rid of it before getting it looked at.
Cam seal leaks.
Some sticking valves around 50k

However, despite all the problems, I always loved driving the car. If you want a fast car and don't mind doing repair work, I'd recommend it. It's not the most reliable of vehicles, but like I said, if you have a spare car and enough free time to be able to work on it, you should be fine. Just don't spend too much on it, I personally wouldn't go much over $5,000 for a mid 90s vr4/RT
Old May 26, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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well to update.. the eclipse '06 has been recalled already! faulty brakes.. so there is that legendary mitsu reliability.. I'll stick with toyota..
Do you have any proof that this is true? I checked the NHTSA site and found nothing. I won't be surprised if it is true, I just want to know where you saw it.
Over at www.thecarconnection.com here's the link and the quote..

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Indu...173.A8667.html

Mitsu Needs Eclipse Fix

Mitsubishi has halted sales of the '06 Eclipse after the company received reports of flawed brake systems from its Normal, Ill., plant. Automotive News reports that Mitsubishi reported the problem to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Tuesday, noting that up to 1185 vehicle could be involved in the brake issue. The industry weekly says 44 of the vehicles have been sold to buyers, with 400 at dealers and the rest in transit. In the vehicles, a problem with the vacuum brake booster could cause brake failure. Mitsu has not stopped building new Eclipses in Normal, and says the problem could be corrected in production by the end of the week.
Old May 26, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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to me its not worth the hastle just be happy with the fact you have a tc and its going to be a good resale
Old May 26, 2005 | 05:03 PM
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My dad just sold his 92' 3000gt VR4

That thing had massive problems. It was rebuilt and we recieved it with 40k miles on it. It had oil leaks, slave cylinder, master cylinder, the 2nd gear synchro went and would grind no matter how fast you were shifting. Functional rear spoiler stopped working, electrical problems, he bought it for 8k I believe. Put probably 4-5k into and sold it six months later for 6k. Pretty sad. It was pretty fun to drive though.

He now owns a 2000 Ford Lightning, that thing is great so far. Not one problem only 10k miles.

To stay on topic, eh don't like the looks of the new eclipse so much. Few of my friends own a 3g and 4g. The 3g is garbage and the 4g is getting turbo'ed and running fine I guess we'll see though.
Old May 26, 2005 | 05:25 PM
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stay with the tC... better looking and very rare to see in the streets. that car is just like a mustang... everybody and their moma gots it..
Old May 26, 2005 | 05:37 PM
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that car sucks ___, it weighs 3400lbs even the V6 motor isn't enough to drag that boat around, good luck with that, not to mention the v6 costs no where near a tC.
Old May 26, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dmxsoulja3
that car sucks ___, it weighs 3400lbs even the V6 motor isn't enough to drag that boat around, good luck with that, not to mention the v6 costs no where near a tC.
The Altima is about 3300 lbs, and its V6 puts out around 250 hp and lbs-ft of torque in its non SE-R form. Make no mistake, the Altima can and will hand many a unsuspecting cars their ___ off the line. Those careless enough to not check for the dual exhaust, 3.5l, and V6 badges are in for surprise. So, I wouldnt discount the new Eclipse's performance because of its weight. Gearing and tires will play a huge factor as well.
Old May 26, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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If I were you, I would stick with what'cha got---- A reliable toyota! Go with the house! If you were to switch, the $$$ you'll spend on your new Mits after trade-in could possibly be a downpayment on a new casa! Like people have stated, Mits is on the decline. In order for them to be competitve they are going to have to (a) lower their current prices or (b) come out with a car that starts out at 16K AND looks cool.

Be careful what you see on TV. I think that new Eclipse on the commercial is around 24K. I just love it when they say "Starting at 19K" but then you see the "As shown" price, its ridiculous! Good luck!
Old May 26, 2005 | 06:14 PM
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that car sucks ___, it weighs 3400lbs even the V6 motor isn't enough to drag that boat around, good luck with that, not to mention the v6 costs no where near a tC.
The Altima is about 3300 lbs, and its V6 puts out around 250 hp and lbs-ft of torque in its non SE-R form. Make no mistake, the Altima can and will hand many a unsuspecting cars their ___ off the line. Those careless enough to not check for the dual exhaust, 3.5l, and V6 badges are in for surprise. So, I wouldnt discount the new Eclipse's performance because of its weight. Gearing and tires will play a huge factor as well.

but heres the problem, how much does an altima SE, and this GTS with v6 cost. ? thats my point, drive a 3.5SE and yes it hauls ___, but they paid 30k for it, drove a 2.5s, and I blow the doors off it, and it was 22k bucks. Nothing compared to my 16k scion. Trading in the scion for anything other than the GTS which obviously is going to cost more isn't worth it IMHO
Old May 26, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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I like the new Eclipse. Say what you will about Mitsubishi, but at least the styling is bold and different. I like the tC for what it is (bang for the buck) but the styling does make me a little sleepy.

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Old May 26, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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I own a 3rd gen eclipse GT and lemme tell you reliability ain't that great. Within 3 weeks of owning it(picked it up with only 12miles on it) I had electrical problems. My head lights wouldnt turn on heck not even my cd player would work. I sure hope for mitsubishi's sake they up their reliability because we obviously can't bank on them making nice looking affordable cars.
Old May 26, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dmxsoulja3

but heres the problem, how much does an altima SE, and this GTS with v6 cost. ? thats my point, drive a 3.5SE and yes it hauls ___, but they paid 30k for it, drove a 2.5s, and I blow the doors off it, and it was 22k bucks. Nothing compared to my 16k scion. Trading in the scion for anything other than the GTS which obviously is going to cost more isn't worth it IMHO
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing about it being a bad move or that's there's a huge price difference. I was just pointing out that we shouldn’t dismiss it's performance because of the weight.
Old May 26, 2005 | 06:48 PM
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That car is hella ugly, and the side windows are just poor design.... PASS!!!!
Old May 26, 2005 | 07:06 PM
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Dont look good at all! I'd so keep my tC!
Old May 26, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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someone asked for this earlier:

06 eclipse sales HALTED and 44 RECALLED due to faulty brakes

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/in...kes-105034.php
Old May 26, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrawn
Originally Posted by dmxsoulja3

but heres the problem, how much does an altima SE, and this GTS with v6 cost. ? thats my point, drive a 3.5SE and yes it hauls ___, but they paid 30k for it, drove a 2.5s, and I blow the doors off it, and it was 22k bucks. Nothing compared to my 16k scion. Trading in the scion for anything other than the GTS which obviously is going to cost more isn't worth it IMHO
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing about it being a bad move or that's there's a huge price difference. I was just pointing out that we shouldn’t dismiss it's performance because of the weight.
we can dismiss the base model as much as we want. it's going to have the same power, and weigh 400lbs more than the tC. I'd guess 0-60 times between 8 and 8.5sec. the GT model is a bit more difficult to guess what performance is going to be, as its got gobs of hp and tq, and traction control to get it to the ground. however, when you start comparing the GT to other cars, you're going to have to include the mustang GT, SRT-4, Cobalt SS, WRX, RX-8, maybe even the Evo RS. The original poster was talking about the base model, so I think we can talk about how slow and ungainly it'll be all we want.
Old May 26, 2005 | 07:56 PM
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they're like a picasso.....a bunch of different cars bastar*ized together to form a huge pile of Sh*t......
Old May 26, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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I had a 2g eclipse i loved it i put a bodykit on it H.I.D. carbonfiber hood and so much more but it was verry unreliable wouldnt start had to rebuild the motor hoses broke all the time left me stuck one to many times had to practically give it away when i sold it for two thousand im going to miss it but i have a reliable car now so i guess i will eventually get over my eclipse being gone just stick with what you got you have reliability and looks be happy you wont get left on the side of the road
Old May 26, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dante
The original poster was talking about the base model, so I think we can talk about how slow and ungainly it'll be all we want.
My reply was not to the original poster, it was to dmx that said:

that car sucks ___, it weighs 3400lbs even the V6 motor isn't enough to drag that boat around, good luck with that, not to mention the v6 costs no where near a tC.
Please note the highlighted section, since you seem to have missed that, as we were discussing the performance of the V6. Read before you post.
Old May 26, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrawn
Please note the highlighted section, since you seem to have missed that, as we were discussing the performance of the V6. Read before you post.
I saw it, and note my bit about comparing the GT model to other cars in its class. Its supposed to be in a sports class, yet it'll get walked by cars like the Mustang GT, RX-8, Evo RS, maybe even cars like the SRT-4, and WRX. Talk about how fast the v6 is all you want, but I don't really see those at SCCA events or Auto-X either. Is it fast compared to a 16k tC? Sure. Is it fast compared to the rest of the cars in the 22-28k range? Doubt it. It's too slow to be a real power contender (and FWD), it's too big/heavy to be sporty, its too small to be practical. will have to wait for real-world results, and some of the early ones have been relatively positive, but since they're both going for 25k, you KNOW there's going to be GT (mustang) vs GT (eclipse) and I know already who's going to win that battle.



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