The beginning of the article reads "based on the Scion tC"

Toyota could always be replacing the Celica with some bad-___ 250hp RSX-S killer, and make the tC it's little brother. Scion is a "sub-brand" to Toyota:
Scion<Toyota <Lexus
I think people are expecting too much from Scion. More than likely any high priced, high horsepower machine would probably be badged with a "T" or "L"

Just my $.02

-THE DON

 

i personally like the idea of much nicer engines. not to say theres anything wrong with the current ones, but honda's engines are nicer. i truly respect them as the best in the racing scene.

reading more on that site, it makes mention of the new camry (with pictures) and the new supra that may be unveiled soon. i think toyota is finally just getting off their bottoms and getting to work to be back in the sport car business.

finally.

 

Sorry about the celica reference, 1ZZ-FE and 2ZZ-GE is maybe not close enough to make a comparison engine wise, but I was talking drivability and even consumer reports said that you won't feel the difference unless you are [higher than 6k.]
Also depends on where you live. In Hawaii, there isn't enough road to rev to 7.5k+ 99% of the time so it's hard to see that power for more than a split second. There is always a 1st gen S2000 in the classifieds probably because you pay so much and get so little in daily driving here. Glad they stroked it to 2.2 and 'fixed' that problem.

I hope it is slightly boosted (s/c?), as we can plainly see that you can make ~250hp from a NA 2.0 liter motor with vvtli, so that it will still be street drivable (read: have usable low end torque, not enough to pull trailers but enough to pull the weight of the car) with a lightweight (celica-class) chassis. The tC needs the 2.4 because it is a porker. The gearing on the manual makes up for it, but then you lose mileage and bad mileage is not what the public is going to be looking for in the very near future.

 

i'm with you guys....this article doesn't seem to reliable to me.

 

Whats with all the talk about a 2.4l being to big to rev to 8,ooo? Maybe we're gonna see some great new trickle down tech from Toyota's Formula 1 experience. They've got a 3.0l engine that revs up to an insane 17,000 or so RPM. Maybe it's Toyota's way of apologizing to America for the farce at the USGP......Hey! I can dream can't I?

 

what about this....scion isn't a "lower" brand, just a different market. what if they come out with an RSX-S killer (tC was the civic killer) to create a better brand image. right now scion is mostly known for the box. the tC is better, but it still isn't the "tuner" car that the celica was...mostly because of the weight. maybe scion wants some street cred...hmmmmm....that would be cool. oh, and i know i'm kinda contradicting my previous post...i am a swirling mass of contradictions. woot.

 

You have some good input except for the srt4 I think this is the last year then they are coming out with the dodge caliber here is the edmunds write up
What Edmunds.com Says: After falling off the map in recent years, Dodge is hoping to make a splash in the economy car segment with this new, more dynamically styled hatchback.

What We Know: Dodge is expected to take a slightly different tack when it replaces the current Neon. Instead of a standard four-door, the Neon's replacement will be a larger, SUV-like five-door hatchback similar to the Caliber concept that was unveiled at the Geneva motor show. Underneath the new sheet metal will be a global platform shared with Mitsubishi. Not only will this new vehicle share its underpinnings with the Mitsubishi Lancer, but it could also be built on one of the latter's assembly lines. The Caliber will be one of the first vehicles to make use of the global four-cylinder engine developed by the triumvirate of Mitsubishi, Chrysler and Hyundai. Dodge officials have also announced that they intend to price the Caliber very competitively, with base models expected to start as low as $15,000 when it goes on sale next year.

So maybe a Srt 5 anybody??? Now back to the TC story!!
This story is alittle strange. We need a faster car and I love toyota, So I'll trade in my tc for a faster one!!!!!! Let's see what toyota does with the supra first I heard it's dropping at the tokyo motor show in October. Scion isn't living up to it's fresh new line up they talk about. Like new models I think a 4th Scion would be better. Instead of making the TC faster and more money.

 

I would never call it a Sub-brand! It is on the same level at Toyota! ^_^

 

id really like to see what that dodge and that toyota tC thing looks like.

but, nothing is gonna replace my tC, its my first new car and nothing can replace that sentiment.

 

we can figure it this way. 2.0 liter engines are popular in japan. they may very well make 2 different versions of this celica/tc. chances are its a celica, as scion generally would stay low-price. if its truly an integra type r competitor, its going to have to be awesome. which would also force honda to put the type r in the US as well. oh the possibilities of competition are exciting.

one version, japanese, 2.0 version. another version american, 2.4 version. keeping it 2.0 in japan lets it stay in those 2 liter only races. but its no big deal here. we appreciate more torque anyway.

anyway 250hp doesnt sound too outrageous for a 4cylinder. a honda k20 puts out around 220hp.

it's all theories and speculation based on one little article, but none the less, ANY news is good news in the toyota sport department.

 

didn't say a 2.4 can't spin that fast, but the 2AZ is kind of a stroker so that's why i guessed they'd destroke it to 2.0 liters...

 

250 hp would be nice but if its from only a 2.4 and not a turbo or super charged then its going to have to rev like crazy to get that power. Its going to be like the s2000 motor. No torque anywhere and no low end power which I dont like so much. I want something that can drive nomal and still go pretty quick.

 

I beg to differ, I would say scion is a lower brand seeing as Toyota had intended for scion owners to graduate to toyota so they can't possibly be on the same level, after all you can't graduate from 8th grade just to end up going back into 8th grade, can you?

The tC? a Civic killer? The tC IS the civic.

But on a more serious note, if I was an 160horse pos, i'd be able to be any car with 115 horses.

 

i think you may have misunderstood me.... the tC was meant as a civic killer, in terms of sales to x y gen kids. and all though i don't agree with your graduate theory, i also don't know how to put it into words...so ill leave that one alone

 

i did misunderstand you.

But moving on, those are toyotas words and not mine. We're they on the same level, I'd have bought a Celica.

 

im definitely interested, actually interested in this as well as the mazdaspeed 3

 

i don't think a 25k car is out of the reach of scion's entire market. look at how many kids drive is300's and rsx-s's (haha). maybe scion wants to cover the entire market. but, they wanted to release it after the scion brand was already seen as a for kids brand. because in america, everything is image. so a lot of people won't buy a kick **** sports car, because it says scion on it. just like people pay 6-7 grand more for a es330, when it is pretty much the same car as a fully loaded camry xle v6.

 

The GT had 140 hp

 

difference is that 3.0 is a v10 with small stroke. a 2.4 four is large and has a long stroke.

 

yeah, I know. I'm just saying that Toyota has the knowledge to do some amazing things with the intenal combustion engine. It'd be nice to see some more high tech stuff come down the pipeline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't F1 where VVT-I and honda's V-TEC came from?