wouldn any camber plates be available for this setup?

 

Sounds a little expensive for a set of coilovers without adjust camber plates or pillowball mounts... By the way, they also look like a set of D2 coilovers that I have. check it out


The D2 setup is 36 way adjustable and you can order whatever spring rate you want. I ordered two different sets of spring rates for mine, and it was less than 1150 bucks....

 

yes and yes.. but

the TC has stiffer rear springs due to its suspension.

the stiffer rear helps turn the car. when driving, doesnt the weight shift to the rear of the car? so isnt thats why it needs to be stiff so it can turn the car?

i mean all the other companies designed this way, including toyota themselves...

im no expert but it seems weird to about and design a different setup...

 

nice.. I really like the dual suspension setup.

 

Sorry, does not look the same to me at all, if they were height adjustable like the B&G they would need another lock ring on the bottom of the threads;)

Nice camper plate/pillow ball mounts

The B&Gs have steel threads, real race approved instead of aluminum threads.

36 way adjustable is cool but a bit overkill in reality, most cannot tell the differnence in a 25% change but a real racer can tell minute changes, then again, he would be on real race approved coilovers


Pillow ball mounts are nasty noise wise on the road but sure fun, I have them on my Tein SS and will use a set on the B&Gs when I get mine.

Overall nice looking units but not the same thing at all.

Rick

 

whats the difference bewteen pillowball mount and w/o performance wise?

 

Perhaps I should have showed you this photo.

Id rather use an allen wrench that I can buy off the shelf than worry about losing the wrenches that come with most sets

Apparently, they are race approved bud.
http://www.d2racing.com/html/team.html

 

^^Saaaweet, but still not available for the tC

 

That is more like it, could not see the adjustments on the other pics.

Question: Are the threads steel or alloy?

Have to be steel to be race approved.

Rick

 

Now that is sweet. Never seen it lock tight with 2 allen bolts but I've seen the ones like megan racing for the RSX

 

Youd have to email them. The purple parst are aluminium. The only thing they say on their website is that they are teflon coated to prevent rust.

 

Steel is an alloy

 

Ok smart ****, lol!

BUT, the term alloy is substituted for aluminum quite often;)

Rick

 

As far as race approved they would not be in the US.. Because of our steel mounts.. we are the only full threaded body coilover that is SCCA Approved.. the aluminum is believed to be too soft.. and the aluminum on steel combination isnt too safe..

 

Thanks for clarifying that Mike

Rick

 

Keep reading the rulebook bud. SCCA Solo2 rules for Street Touring, Street Prepared and Street Modified state nothing about the metal that is used for construction of suspension components.

Street Modified for example:
"Suspension components are unrestricted so long as they use the stock mounting locations."

Nice to know that a suspension manufacturer knows so much about the rules. Perhaps you should know before you speak of a product that has branches in 10 countries and 4 continents.

I dont mean to make fun of you or anything, I just thought Id let you know what SCCA says.

 

Perhaps you should consider which "racing rules" are being discussed and not be such a butt head about it, lol!

Autocross though fun and what I do is not the same as discussing SCCA racing which would be referring to road racing.

Since B&G has an actual race car they actually race I figure they probably know the rules pretty well for road racing.

Rick

Since I know the autocross rule book inside and out I would of clarified that issue right away myself;)

 

currently SCCA's link for their Pro road racing rulebook is not working at the moment so I cant verify the rules for that class.

Either way, you really think people from SL.com are going to be entering that class? Id be more apt to think that people would be autocrossing.

 

Does this help?

http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/04-07-fastrack.pdf#search='SCCA%20Pro%20Road%20Racing%20rules'

 

This was never responded to...

The weight is stable when driving and is distributed the same as if it were standing still. HOWEVER, when you accelerate the weight shifts rearward producing what is known as squat. Stiffer springs will help reduce squat. This is especially important on a front wheel drive because the squat lifts the front end causing the wheels to lose traction.

With the tC, they designed the stock springs to handle the weight of the engine, and stiffened the rear because the car probably had a lot of understeer. It is true that stiffening the rear of the car will loosen it up and allow the rear to corner better. What you also are not taking into consideration is the valving of the struts. It is possible to run a softer rear spring to improve the ride, but still have the handling quality by adjusting the valving of the struts. That is a huge difference between the stock setup and an aftermarket coilover system such as B&G.

Oh and don't forget about that now you will be lowered, so the center of gravity has changed. The car will handle inherently better from that alone, also allowing it to turn a lot easier which may not require such a high rear spring rate.

There are also many more aspects that affect this such as how body roll is affected, but you probably get the idea. Basically it is like this...you design the spring rates based on how the car performs with the lowered center of gravity, how you want it to ride (strut valving), and what your overall performance/comfort tradeoff is to be. I have faith that B&G have indeed set up this system well.

Hope that helped out hahaitzskippy