Advice for suspension set up
heres a noob question... could u put on sway bars and strut bars simultaneously?
and as far as strut bars goes is there a lower and upper for both ends of the car? if so could u have say all of those on plus the two sway bars on at the same time?
and as far as strut bars goes is there a lower and upper for both ends of the car? if so could u have say all of those on plus the two sway bars on at the same time?
Originally Posted by n00b
heres a noob question... could u put on sway bars and strut bars simultaneously?
and as far as strut bars goes is there a lower and upper for both ends of the car? if so could u have say all of those on plus the two sway bars on at the same time?
and as far as strut bars goes is there a lower and upper for both ends of the car? if so could u have say all of those on plus the two sway bars on at the same time?
Strut bars bolt on to the "top mounts" on both the front and rear suspension. They help in keeping the chassis rigid while cornering, preventing it to compress and shift. Sway bars bolt into the front and rear lower control arms, they go under the car. They help in producing a counterweight to the inside tires, thus reducing body roll.
They are not the same thing.

Strut Bar

Sway bar (the black bar)
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so what would u think if i get all four and maybe some coilovers. this is a daily driven car im still unsure if ill do any engine modding, but i would like to have a better sup so that just incase i need to do some nascar moves! shake and bake! maybe some steel brake lines too :D
Originally Posted by n00b
so what would u think if i get all four and maybe some coilovers. this is a daily driven car im still unsure if ill do any engine modding, but i would like to have a better sup so that just incase i need to do some nascar moves! shake and bake! maybe some steel brake lines too :D
but hey, if you have the money, and don't mind a stiffer ride with the adjustability, then nobody's stopping you.
I still say the rear strut bar is pointless (waiting back on responses to my post though), and steel brake lines really only help if you do some serious driving, where the feel and consistency is truly important (although they'll definitely give you better brake feel even in daily driving). Again though.. if you have the money then go all out.
Its pretty obvious that you are new to suspension its basics and such, and with the type of market we have its easy to get confused and just buy anything because it says "racing" or "performance" on it. So before you do that you should learn the basics of coils, sways and springs so you can know exactly what the effects of your new parts will create. Edmunds has a pretty good article on it (you really only need to read articles 1,2, and 4))
NOW, as far as buying struts and sways go, I would purchase a set of front and rear sway bars first. They will make to most noticeable difference. A stiffer rear sway will improve the rotation of the car and the front sway will help you with corner exit acceleration.
Coillovers are tricky because this side of the market is filled with knock off and poor performing coilovers that seem appealing because of the amount of features they are advertised to have. Going with a more traditional brand will insure that your product meets a certain level of quality. Here are some basics to some features coilovers have.
-Ride height adjust ment; this one is easy, this just means that this coil has sleeves which can be lowered or heightened to give the user full control of its height.
-Dampening adjustment; unless you are familiar with the effects that come with controlling your dampening I'd suggest you stay away from this. It can be easy to max out the ride height of the coilover while maxing out its dampening only to greatly reduce the life of your coilover. Dampening controls the force in which the shock controls the spring.
-Rebound adjustment; only very high end coilovers use this feature to its full extent. This controls the rate in which the shock expands. Definitely not a feature for anyone without fully knowing its effects.
-Pillowball mounts; better explained here
Those are the more popular features that you will hear of. Others are shock height adjustment, which allows you to shorten or lengthen the height of the shock without affecting the springs preload.
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NOW, as far as buying struts and sways go, I would purchase a set of front and rear sway bars first. They will make to most noticeable difference. A stiffer rear sway will improve the rotation of the car and the front sway will help you with corner exit acceleration.
Coillovers are tricky because this side of the market is filled with knock off and poor performing coilovers that seem appealing because of the amount of features they are advertised to have. Going with a more traditional brand will insure that your product meets a certain level of quality. Here are some basics to some features coilovers have.
-Ride height adjust ment; this one is easy, this just means that this coil has sleeves which can be lowered or heightened to give the user full control of its height.
-Dampening adjustment; unless you are familiar with the effects that come with controlling your dampening I'd suggest you stay away from this. It can be easy to max out the ride height of the coilover while maxing out its dampening only to greatly reduce the life of your coilover. Dampening controls the force in which the shock controls the spring.
-Rebound adjustment; only very high end coilovers use this feature to its full extent. This controls the rate in which the shock expands. Definitely not a feature for anyone without fully knowing its effects.
-Pillowball mounts; better explained here
The short answer is that the pillow ball mounts will aid in your suspension tuning efforts by allowing you to the slight adjustment of camber angles. Most camber plates will require some cutting or adjusting or the sheet metal at the top of the shock tower to be accommodated. Yet there are some other pillow-ball mount designs that do not require sheet metal to be cut, but the trade-off is tenability. Usually the bolt in camber plate designs (such as those offered by K-Mac), offer a smaller threshold of tenability (fewer degrees of adjustment). Quality pillow ball mounts also dispense with the rubber bushings and mounts that normally secure the top of the strut and also help dampen ride quality, so expect a firmer ride. No one steps up to serious coilovers expecting plush ride quality, but the handling advantages and ability to easily swap coil spring rates, adjust ride height, and tweak strut angles, makes them the clear focused choice for those seeking razor-sharp handling.
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if you are new to the suspension game and are just looking for a satisfactory ride on a daily driver... i recommend the TRD set up, ...rear sway, front strut, and spring/struts... as stated above, since you are new to it all, i dont really see a need for the coilovers... they are basically for those that need to adjust their drop constantly (switching from a comfy setting for daily drives and stiff, lowered setting for track days)... so for your daily driving needs i say stick with the TRD set up... you will feel a difference after each part is put in and it wont sacrifice the ride quality and most importantly wont kill your wallet... ...just my $.02
Originally Posted by phoenix_2o1_rising
if you are new to the suspension game and are just looking for a satisfactory ride on a daily driver... i recommend the TRD set up, ...rear sway, front strut, and spring/struts... as stated above, since you are new to it all, i dont really see a need for the coilovers... they are basically for those that need to adjust their drop constantly (switching from a comfy setting for daily drives and stiff, lowered setting for track days)... so for your daily driving needs i say stick with the TRD set up... you will feel a difference after each part is put in and it wont sacrifice the ride quality and most importantly wont kill your wallet... ...just my $.02
lol my bad playboy i didnt mean to jack your thread. but we seem to be in the some what the same position. thanks guys for your help and advise. its been very helpful
:D. heres another question though. since i just got the car and still under the manufacturer warranty i cant get any other mods than the ones sold by TRD right? i bet theres a thread about this but all in different places
. i read here that many people use all different brands of sway bars. i was just wondering what makes them different? shape, diameter, quality of steel, and if its soild or hollow. right? is there a thread that has info on each brand? scratch that last one.. lol i sorta stubbled acrossed it.
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