Originally Posted by Mr Meaty

I need to hear more opinions from people with the B&M shifter, since it lowers the shaft a half an inch and changes the pivot point.

Originally Posted by Mediocre Generica

I can accurately say that the TWM is poorly designed because it's just a shortened shift arm, period. It is widely known that shortening the shift arm is a ghetto way to make a short shifter. It increases effort, decreases shifter height (which is, for the sane, a bad thing), and also manages to reduce throw in the process.

If you're judging the shifters by the shortest throw possible you're a moron anyways. If you wanted a super short throw, why not just hack off your stock one and have it threaded by someone with a die and thread kit? That's pretty much what the TWM shifter is doing.

Originally Posted by TWM Performance

Your concept is correct but in this case the picture you used to illustrate your point is slightly misleading. First, the shifters are at an odd angle which creates the illusion that they are the same length below the pivot ball when in fact they are not. Also, the stock shifter still has the plastic cup installed on the lower ball, which makes it appear longer than it actually is because it ends lower than the ball inside it does. I do, however, see how you could make this assumption based on the picture you saw as it does create a strange illusion.

Our tC shifter is actually roughly .5" longer below the pivot ball, the maximum amount of added length possible due to clearance issues with the shift assembly.

I've attached a picture we took quickly this morning that shows a stock tC shifter next to our part from an overhead perspective, as you can see the difference in length below the pivot ball is much more apparant from this angle.



I hope this clears things up a little bit, feel free to contact me directly if anyone ever has any questions about our products.

Thanks,

Karel Wegert
TWM Performance

Originally Posted by TWM Performance

I feel its necessary at this point to clear this up. The above statement is false. A great deal of research and development goes into every shifter which we design. Unlike many other companies we specialize in the design and manufacture of short shifters specifically, so we most certainly understand the concept behind them. The tC shifter, like all of the shifters we design, does reposition the pivot point as well as the overall height of the shifter. This is an issue that has been discussed in the past, please see the post below for a more detailed explanation. Note the picture which compares our shifter to the stock tC shifter, it clearly shows that the pivot point has been adjusted (as many members of this board have already pointed).

I'm always available to answer any questions that anyone has regarding our products.

Thanks,

Karel Wegert
TWM Performance

Originally Posted by Mediocre Generica

Interesting, but if you measure the lengths shown in the picture above, the length below the pivot ball is exactly the same. The shifteres are oriented in same way, so if there's any distortion due to weird angles, it should be present on both of them.

I can see that it's obvious from the pictures that you posted, but why would it be any different for anyone else? Why the discrepency?

Originally Posted by jmiller20874

Dude, lay off the paint chips! What more proof do you need? Why are you arguing with the manufactuer and eveyone else for that matter?

Originally Posted by KYBoy

twm is not cheap it all, it is a very nice product and anyone that has one will say the same thing. I have not herd one bad thing about twm. it offers the shortest throw right now. as far as the height it is a preference thing and you already said you wanted it lower. you can get the twm for about 10.00 more than the b&m and lower you shifter height more and reduce the throw as well.

Originally Posted by Mr Meaty

Awsome Karel! Thank you so much for the info! I was going to contact you directly, but you did not leave your contact information, so I'll just ask you a question here:
I am planning on getting the TWM shifter and putting the Sparco Bio shift **** on it. http://www.sparcousa.com/ptuning_knobs.asp?id=306 I'm hoping it's a little taller then the regular ****. How do you think this will effect the throw of your short shifter?

Originally Posted by TWM Performance

Sorry about that, you can reach me any time at kwegert@twmperformance.com or 1-888-569-8963.

Using a taller shift ****, like the sparco part, won't really change the throw of our shifter a great deal. If you sat down and did the calculations it may add a couple of percent but it won't really be noticeable. The majority of throw reduction on of part comes from the new placement for the pivot point.


Hope that helps...

Karel
TWM
kwegert@twmperformance.com

Originally Posted by CHICO

I just installed a Perrin Short shifter on a TC, is fully adjustable, is a little bit shorter looking than stock, but the throws are some of the shortest I have evel felt on a car, also the feel is VERY solid. I need to find a TC with the TWM so I can compare the two.

Originally Posted by aarontrini85

where did you find a perrin for a tc? the only one i see on there site looks like its for an xb please let me know where you found it they seem realy cool becouse you can select the throw