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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 05:47 AM
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by wazzu_coug
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Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
well here's a good rule of thumb on that.... if you have up to a 2" drop front and rear....you're probably safe without the camber kit... but if you do a lower drop than that...its best to go ahead and install a camber kit too.
thats the worst rule of thumb i have ever heard. where did you hear this? or did you make it up?

any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.

i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.

i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
the rule of thumb is correct. if you are dropped less than 2", there is usually no need for a camber kit. however if you are dropped more, it is likely that you will need a camber kit.

your whole rational is skewed. most people don't want a negative camber, so they use a camber kit. the average person would say that your setup is in need a camber kit because your not at 0degress. so, while you say that you don't need a camber kit, the average person with that drop would use a kit because they don't want uneaven tire wear. for you thats a con you're willing to live with to get the look that you desire. (at that drop with zero camber you get into fender rubbing issues, but thats another thread) So to say that a $200 camber kit vs. $500 in new tires is a waste, is just stupid.
youre whole rational is skewed. the OEM specs for rear camber is NOT ZERO. its between -1 and -1.5. ZERO DEGREES OF CAMBER IS NOT GOOD lol.

a camber kit is pointless because you DONT NEED IT. even dropped at 4" you can STILL get the camber to ZERO but you would be an idiot because you're not supposed to be at zero.

anyways, ill continue to do alignments at my dealership and follow OEM specs and you can go and screw your suspension geometry up, and spend an unnecessary $200 on a camber kit that does the same exact thing as the stock camber adjustments, and i'll spend that 200 on better tires that wont wear at -1.5 degrees of camber because TOE is the major cause of premature tire wear. okay?

awesome, thank you for TRYING to school me when i do this sht for a living.

go play a video game or something.
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 06:26 AM
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http://trdsparks.com/install/tCRWheelAlignment.pdf <--- specs for the rear.

http://trdsparks.com/install/tCFWheelAlignment.pdf <--- specs for the front.

camber kit only needed for front to adjust the camber.

rear is a waste of money.

oe specs for rear camber -.9 +/- -.3 which is NOT zero.
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 06:31 AM
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I JUST SENT PAYMENT TO STUART FROM LASTLOOKCUSTOMS! :] cant wait!
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 09:34 AM
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Thank you for the camber lesson.

Originally Posted by davedavetC
the OEM specs for rear camber is NOT ZERO. its between -1 and -1.5.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
oe specs for rear camber -.9 +/- -.3 which is NOT zero.
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a camber kit is pointless because you DONT NEED IT.
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camber kit only needed for front to adjust the camber.
So confused. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand.
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
well here's a good rule of thumb on that.... if you have up to a 2" drop front and rear....you're probably safe without the camber kit... but if you do a lower drop than that...its best to go ahead and install a camber kit too.
thats the worst rule of thumb i have ever heard. where did you hear this? or did you make it up?

any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.

i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.

i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
You may want to re-think your post. I am an ASE Certified Master Toyota mechanic. and have also been building performance cars and hot rods for 25 years which is longer than you've even been alive... lol
and for your "worst rule of thumb you've ever heard".... well if you would have read my initial post correctly... you would have seen that I said lower than 2 inches... of course you need the adjustment.. you're dropped well below that. geez.
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
well here's a good rule of thumb on that.... if you have up to a 2" drop front and rear....you're probably safe without the camber kit... but if you do a lower drop than that...its best to go ahead and install a camber kit too.
thats the worst rule of thumb i have ever heard. where did you hear this? or did you make it up?

any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.

i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.

i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
You may want to re-think your post. I am an ASE Certified Master Toyota mechanic. and have also been building performance cars and hot rods for 25 years which is longer than you've even been alive... lol
and for your "worst rule of thumb you've ever heard".... well if you would have read my initial post correctly... you would have seen that I said lower than 2 inches... of course you need the adjustment.. you're dropped well below that. geez.
thats awesome (no sarcasm) and congradulations, im sure that wasnt easy to do.

but you do not need a camber kit. the stock camber adjustments have plenty or room to adjust a drop well beyond 2". i know because i have adjusted that PLENTYYYYYYY of times.

but im not one to go out and tell people where, and how to spend their money. so if someone wants to go out and buy a camber kit for their car, so be it, but i still think its a waste of money when all of the adjustments you need are all already there.
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i sent the money to stuart, our sponser for lastlookcustoms but i havent heard anything back yet.. thats normal right?
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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yea, you'll get it, stu's cool sht
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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tight lol. never ordered online before through forums. =] took a risk! cant wait still! thanks davedavetc for all the info on this drop stuff
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no problem. take it to a good alignment shop after a couple weeks to make sure everything is okay, especially the toe.
Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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agreed. firestone offers a lifetime alignment package, which for like $140 (80 for a one time). so it pays for itself after the second time. you can take it in to get the alignment done as often as you want (i go in every oil change) and there is no charge.
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Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by wazzu_coug
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
well here's a good rule of thumb on that.... if you have up to a 2" drop front and rear....you're probably safe without the camber kit... but if you do a lower drop than that...its best to go ahead and install a camber kit too.
thats the worst rule of thumb i have ever heard. where did you hear this? or did you make it up?

any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.

i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.

i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
the rule of thumb is correct. if you are dropped less than 2", there is usually no need for a camber kit. however if you are dropped more, it is likely that you will need a camber kit.

your whole rational is skewed. most people don't want a negative camber, so they use a camber kit. the average person would say that your setup is in need a camber kit because your not at 0degress. so, while you say that you don't need a camber kit, the average person with that drop would use a kit because they don't want uneaven tire wear. for you thats a con you're willing to live with to get the look that you desire. (at that drop with zero camber you get into fender rubbing issues, but thats another thread) So to say that a $200 camber kit vs. $500 in new tires is a waste, is just stupid.
youre whole rational is skewed. the OEM specs for rear camber is NOT ZERO. its between -1 and -1.5. ZERO DEGREES OF CAMBER IS NOT GOOD lol.

a camber kit is pointless because you DONT NEED IT. even dropped at 4" you can STILL get the camber to ZERO but you would be an idiot because you're not supposed to be at zero.

anyways, ill continue to do alignments at my dealership and follow OEM specs and you can go and screw your suspension geometry up, and spend an unnecessary $200 on a camber kit that does the same exact thing as the stock camber adjustments, and i'll spend that 200 on better tires that wont wear at -1.5 degrees of camber because TOE is the major cause of premature tire wear. okay?

awesome, thank you for TRYING to school me when i do this sht for a living.

go play a video game or something.
You know...you really should watch how you speak on here. Not cool.
There are people on here that dont do this for a living...they were asking for help, not to get "yelled" at. And I dont know who you think you're getting schooled by....but I've been building custom cars for longer than you've even been alive.... and I AM one that does this for a living...Im an ASE Master Tech. If you do alignments professionally...well you can state that what you are say is a fact without belittling others that are just asking for people's help.
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i wasnt belittling anyone to me it came off as he was trying to school me.

and yes we have already gone over the many years you have been building cars, you post it in almost any thread you post in, congratulations man. thats awesome. and wow your an ASE master tech? i would have never guessed that if you didnt already post it before in this thread.

i dont have to watch how i speak here, because
A. im not attacking anyone.
B. im not using vulgar language.

i know the rules of the site, i used to be a moderator here way before you even joined this site.

but thanks for trying to put my in my place,.... it didnt work, i was already in my place that i put myself in.

you should really just put "I've been building custom cars for longer than you've even been alive.... and I AM one that does this for a living...Im an ASE Master Tech." in your profile. it would save you the trouble of posting it in all of the threads that you grace us with.
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well if you were a moderator on here then you know that mispelled profanity...is still profanity....that's the biggest part of what made it seem unreasonable to me. And if I put something in a few different threads depending on the topic...that's my business.... you've got what you want in your "signature"....that's everyone's right...as long as its not profane... lol.
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and that's cool if you've done that adjustment enough times to know if someone new to it is wasting their money on a part they really dont need.
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Ok, the stock camber bolts can adjust for more than a 2" drop so I will be fine with the s-techs, right?
Old Apr 9, 2009 | 04:04 PM
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^yes you will be fine according to dave..any who you have s-techs...your not going to be slammed.
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Hey man, if your still looking I am selling brand new, still in the box, H-Techs for 175+shipping
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wow just found this post. i have had h-techs on for 3 years and just now got an alignment done. when i got rims and new tires. but the h-techs dont throw that much camber to really wear out tires.

and now for the ase techs. what the hell do they teach these days. in the last 3 years at my heavy equipment shop. we had a boat load of ase kids (18-20) come to our shop for work. and all i can say is wow they are as dumb as a box of rocks. one of them cought a $250,000 machine on fire. becouse he did not under stand how to hook up a 24v battery system. ill take my 15years experience over some kid with a ase certificate any day. i'v actually had a few of them tell me that they learned more from me in a few months then they they did by taking ase courses and the look on ther faces when the found out that i was making $10 an hour more then them with no certification is pricesless. ase certification is just a peices of paper. it dosent mean you know everything. just my 2cents



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