why are Tein H-techs so expensive?
Originally Posted by wazzu_coug
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.
i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.
i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
your whole rational is skewed. most people don't want a negative camber, so they use a camber kit. the average person would say that your setup is in need a camber kit because your not at 0degress. so, while you say that you don't need a camber kit, the average person with that drop would use a kit because they don't want uneaven tire wear. for you thats a con you're willing to live with to get the look that you desire. (at that drop with zero camber you get into fender rubbing issues, but thats another thread) So to say that a $200 camber kit vs. $500 in new tires is a waste, is just stupid.
a camber kit is pointless because you DONT NEED IT. even dropped at 4" you can STILL get the camber to ZERO but you would be an idiot because you're not supposed to be at zero.
anyways, ill continue to do alignments at my dealership and follow OEM specs and you can go and screw your suspension geometry up, and spend an unnecessary $200 on a camber kit that does the same exact thing as the stock camber adjustments, and i'll spend that 200 on better tires that wont wear at -1.5 degrees of camber because TOE is the major cause of premature tire wear. okay?
awesome, thank you for TRYING to school me when i do this sht for a living.
go play a video game or something.
http://trdsparks.com/install/tCRWheelAlignment.pdf <--- specs for the rear.
http://trdsparks.com/install/tCFWheelAlignment.pdf <--- specs for the front.
camber kit only needed for front to adjust the camber.
rear is a waste of money.
oe specs for rear camber -.9 +/- -.3 which is NOT zero.
http://trdsparks.com/install/tCFWheelAlignment.pdf <--- specs for the front.
camber kit only needed for front to adjust the camber.
rear is a waste of money.
oe specs for rear camber -.9 +/- -.3 which is NOT zero.
Thank you for the camber lesson.
So confused. Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
the OEM specs for rear camber is NOT ZERO. its between -1 and -1.5.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
oe specs for rear camber -.9 +/- -.3 which is NOT zero.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
a camber kit is pointless because you DONT NEED IT.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
camber kit only needed for front to adjust the camber.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.
i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.
i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
and for your "worst rule of thumb you've ever heard".... well if you would have read my initial post correctly... you would have seen that I said lower than 2 inches... of course you need the adjustment.. you're dropped well below that. geez.
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.
i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.
i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
and for your "worst rule of thumb you've ever heard".... well if you would have read my initial post correctly... you would have seen that I said lower than 2 inches... of course you need the adjustment.. you're dropped well below that. geez.
but you do not need a camber kit. the stock camber adjustments have plenty or room to adjust a drop well beyond 2". i know because i have adjusted that PLENTYYYYYYY of times.
but im not one to go out and tell people where, and how to spend their money. so if someone wants to go out and buy a camber kit for their car, so be it, but i still think its a waste of money when all of the adjustments you need are all already there.
agreed. firestone offers a lifetime alignment package, which for like $140 (80 for a one time). so it pays for itself after the second time. you can take it in to get the alignment done as often as you want (i go in every oil change) and there is no charge.
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by wazzu_coug
Originally Posted by davedavetC
Originally Posted by Mouse
Originally Posted by muuunkeeyy
no camber kit required for this setup right?
any good alignment tech should be able to use the stock camber adjustments even on a 4" drop.
i've had my tC lowered approx 3.25" in the rear and i have had -4.4 degrees of neg camber and brought it back to -1.5 with stock adjustments.
i think camber kits are a waste of money in general.
your whole rational is skewed. most people don't want a negative camber, so they use a camber kit. the average person would say that your setup is in need a camber kit because your not at 0degress. so, while you say that you don't need a camber kit, the average person with that drop would use a kit because they don't want uneaven tire wear. for you thats a con you're willing to live with to get the look that you desire. (at that drop with zero camber you get into fender rubbing issues, but thats another thread) So to say that a $200 camber kit vs. $500 in new tires is a waste, is just stupid.
a camber kit is pointless because you DONT NEED IT. even dropped at 4" you can STILL get the camber to ZERO but you would be an idiot because you're not supposed to be at zero.
anyways, ill continue to do alignments at my dealership and follow OEM specs and you can go and screw your suspension geometry up, and spend an unnecessary $200 on a camber kit that does the same exact thing as the stock camber adjustments, and i'll spend that 200 on better tires that wont wear at -1.5 degrees of camber because TOE is the major cause of premature tire wear. okay?
awesome, thank you for TRYING to school me when i do this sht for a living.
go play a video game or something.
There are people on here that dont do this for a living...they were asking for help, not to get "yelled" at. And I dont know who you think you're getting schooled by....but I've been building custom cars for longer than you've even been alive.... and I AM one that does this for a living...Im an ASE Master Tech. If you do alignments professionally...well you can state that what you are say is a fact without belittling others that are just asking for people's help.
i wasnt belittling anyone to me it came off as he was trying to school me.
and yes we have already gone over the many years you have been building cars, you post it in almost any thread you post in, congratulations man. thats awesome. and wow your an ASE master tech? i would have never guessed that if you didnt already post it before in this thread.
i dont have to watch how i speak here, because
A. im not attacking anyone.
B. im not using vulgar language.
i know the rules of the site, i used to be a moderator here way before you even joined this site.
but thanks for trying to put my in my place,.... it didnt work, i was already in my place that i put myself in.
you should really just put "I've been building custom cars for longer than you've even been alive.... and I AM one that does this for a living...Im an ASE Master Tech." in your profile. it would save you the trouble of posting it in all of the threads that you grace us with.
and yes we have already gone over the many years you have been building cars, you post it in almost any thread you post in, congratulations man. thats awesome. and wow your an ASE master tech? i would have never guessed that if you didnt already post it before in this thread.
i dont have to watch how i speak here, because
A. im not attacking anyone.
B. im not using vulgar language.
i know the rules of the site, i used to be a moderator here way before you even joined this site.
but thanks for trying to put my in my place,.... it didnt work, i was already in my place that i put myself in.
you should really just put "I've been building custom cars for longer than you've even been alive.... and I AM one that does this for a living...Im an ASE Master Tech." in your profile. it would save you the trouble of posting it in all of the threads that you grace us with.
well if you were a moderator on here then you know that mispelled profanity...is still profanity....that's the biggest part of what made it seem unreasonable to me. And if I put something in a few different threads depending on the topic...that's my business.... you've got what you want in your "signature"....that's everyone's right...as long as its not profane... lol.
wow just found this post. i have had h-techs on for 3 years and just now got an alignment done. when i got rims and new tires. but the h-techs dont throw that much camber to really wear out tires.
and now for the ase techs. what the hell do they teach these days. in the last 3 years at my heavy equipment shop. we had a boat load of ase kids (18-20) come to our shop for work. and all i can say is wow they are as dumb as a box of rocks. one of them cought a $250,000 machine on fire. becouse he did not under stand how to hook up a 24v battery system. ill take my 15years experience over some kid with a ase certificate any day. i'v actually had a few of them tell me that they learned more from me in a few months then they they did by taking ase courses and the look on ther faces when the found out that i was making $10 an hour more then them with no certification is pricesless. ase certification is just a peices of paper. it dosent mean you know everything. just my 2cents
and now for the ase techs. what the hell do they teach these days. in the last 3 years at my heavy equipment shop. we had a boat load of ase kids (18-20) come to our shop for work. and all i can say is wow they are as dumb as a box of rocks. one of them cought a $250,000 machine on fire. becouse he did not under stand how to hook up a 24v battery system. ill take my 15years experience over some kid with a ase certificate any day. i'v actually had a few of them tell me that they learned more from me in a few months then they they did by taking ase courses and the look on ther faces when the found out that i was making $10 an hour more then them with no certification is pricesless. ase certification is just a peices of paper. it dosent mean you know everything. just my 2cents






