Your take on this set up ?
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Your take on this set up ?
Ok so i have finally made a pick on what suspens set up i want to go with .. let me know what you guys/girls think about this one..
TRD Springs
TRD Shocks/Struts
Hotchkis Roll bars front an back
TRD Front tower brace
Stock Wheel an tires for now
this set up is only for steet driving? i will not be taking this to the track.
Doesn anyone see any problems with this set up ? any input would be help ful ..
TRD Springs
TRD Shocks/Struts
Hotchkis Roll bars front an back
TRD Front tower brace
Stock Wheel an tires for now
this set up is only for steet driving? i will not be taking this to the track.
Doesn anyone see any problems with this set up ? any input would be help ful ..
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pretty good! *edit* It's Hotchkis Sways instead of roll bars?
But yea sweet setup! Im guessing you dont want a big drop since your going with the TRD springs! i highly doubt anyone has problems with this setup either? Post pics of when you get it!
But yea sweet setup! Im guessing you dont want a big drop since your going with the TRD springs! i highly doubt anyone has problems with this setup either? Post pics of when you get it!
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roll bars , sway bars aren't they the same thing ? in past cars i have own they are called the same..
and yea i don't want to much of a drop.. i'm looking more performance then style.. i will most def post some pics when i get this all done.. maybe some vids of me taking some corners if i can convince my girlfriend to hold the cam while i whip around the corner.. (shes giving me dirty looks)...
and yea i don't want to much of a drop.. i'm looking more performance then style.. i will most def post some pics when i get this all done.. maybe some vids of me taking some corners if i can convince my girlfriend to hold the cam while i whip around the corner.. (shes giving me dirty looks)...
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Lowering the car more will give you better performance since your lowering your center of gravity. I decided to go with tien s-tech because they give the lowering drop... 2.4" front and 2" back. Im getting them installed as we speak (sorry guys no camera available). I installed my Greddy front and back struts last week and i should be getting my hocktis sway bars this week. Im expecting a huge difference. Ill get you know how the springs work out.
I have the TRD springs/shocks/rear sway bar and with my 18's and 40 series tires the ride is very bearable for daily driving. You shouldn't be disappointed. And pulling in and out of places isn't too bad either since it's only about 1.5inches of lowering.
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Hey dude, I say u switch out to hotchkis springs or atleast H&R if u don't want a big drop. the hotchkis might be a little to low for your liking but i think H&R will be alot better then the TRD! Just a piece of advice. if you a search, you'll find alot of people switch from trd to hotchkis and/or springs.
with that in mind...goodluck with ur suspension set-up...
btw- i don't think you need both the front and rear sways, for your daily driver, the rear should be fine. i'm in the same boat you are and i'm still debating on whether to get both sways or just the rear, alot of people say the rear is more then enuff but hey, to every person is there own choice. so goodluck buddy
keep us posted!
with that in mind...goodluck with ur suspension set-up...
btw- i don't think you need both the front and rear sways, for your daily driver, the rear should be fine. i'm in the same boat you are and i'm still debating on whether to get both sways or just the rear, alot of people say the rear is more then enuff but hey, to every person is there own choice. so goodluck buddy
keep us posted!
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I like the TRD springs, i'm on them and they ride nicely...they eliminate most of that ugly gap and don't put the car in any danger during normal driving. I haven't done the shocks/struts however just b/c they are expensive.
If I may give one little piece of advice, from what i've heard, the TRD tower brace is overpriced for what it actually does. You can probably do better with another brand, maybe pay less and get something that does more. Otherwise and anyway, nice setup, it should be fun!
If I may give one little piece of advice, from what i've heard, the TRD tower brace is overpriced for what it actually does. You can probably do better with another brand, maybe pay less and get something that does more. Otherwise and anyway, nice setup, it should be fun!
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You have to figure out first what your trying to do. If you going for the best performace then you will want to get front and rear sway bar. theres like 3 setting, if im not mistaking. Just set the rear one step more solid than the front. That will maximize your cornering speeds and late-braking turns. but thats IMO.
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I have Hotchkis w/ the optional 18" Enkei's as my daily driver and the ride feels great! These springs are the only springs out there that even out the tC level! I have no more wheel gap!!!
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thanks for the comments .. got me thinking alittle more about the springs and the tower brace... i'm going to look into this alittle more.. cause i have nothing but time to make up my mind... thanks everyone .. an i sure will keep everyone posted as i got along with this.. since i'm going to do everthing in steps.. starting with the springs then going from there... then every month more on to the next more shock/struts ... an so on... but don't worry i'll be doing all the work myself so i don't have to worry about labor..
yes i'm keeping my stock yoko tires... driving in heavy rain to day at speed of 55-65 mph .. i was more then impressed with these tires they hug the role great for the way I drive... maybe later on when its time for a new set of rubbers i might switch to somthing with more grip .. but as i'm keeping this a daily driver i won't be pushing her to the point where i should come up on tire's not meeting up to what i need them for..
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Are you planning on upgrading your tires in the future? the stock tires arent all that great.
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I just skimmed through all the comments, but here's my take on things
The S-techs lower the car too much and throw handling out the window, and the whole "lowering the CG of the car for better performance" is laughable. You aren't lowering the CG at all, you're just overcompensating with suspension drag and less rebound.
Also, driver inprovement is the #1 modification you can do to your car. period. Tires are a close 2nd for suspension. You tell me how well you can make an emergency maneuver in a lowered car with front and rear sways and stiffer lowering springs when the tires give out at the first input. (Sway bars make the most noticeable improvement in handling BTW)
Sometimes I get tired of spitting out the same knowledge, this is why you should search before you create a new thread, there are hundreds on this subject. Or go read a book about suspension systems and you'll KNOW what you should do. "How to Make Your Car Handle" by Fred Puhn is one of the best I've read, and it's split out in layman's terms as well as mathmatical calculations that won't mean much to most. "Speed Secrets" I & II by Ross Bentley is another, but it's more on driving techniques than pure suspension, it's more like telling you why something should be that way and how it affects the driving rather than calculated optimal settings for each purpose.
To answer your question though, you've got the right idea on a setup. The TRD is the only spring/shock combo where the shock damening is calculated by the spring rate like it should be. The hotchkis bars are an incredible difference over stock, but if you just put the rear on, you are causing dangerous snap oversteer on the car, do both or don't buy Hotchkis, even the salesmen for the company will tell you that, it's why they don't sell them seperately. The front strut tower bar was a waste of money, really, so was the rear, they just add weight with no noticeable improvement. My setup is TRD shocks/springs, Hotchkis sways, DC Sports front strut bar, Monster Motorworks rear strut bar, Goodyear Eagle F1 tires.
The S-techs lower the car too much and throw handling out the window, and the whole "lowering the CG of the car for better performance" is laughable. You aren't lowering the CG at all, you're just overcompensating with suspension drag and less rebound.
Also, driver inprovement is the #1 modification you can do to your car. period. Tires are a close 2nd for suspension. You tell me how well you can make an emergency maneuver in a lowered car with front and rear sways and stiffer lowering springs when the tires give out at the first input. (Sway bars make the most noticeable improvement in handling BTW)
Sometimes I get tired of spitting out the same knowledge, this is why you should search before you create a new thread, there are hundreds on this subject. Or go read a book about suspension systems and you'll KNOW what you should do. "How to Make Your Car Handle" by Fred Puhn is one of the best I've read, and it's split out in layman's terms as well as mathmatical calculations that won't mean much to most. "Speed Secrets" I & II by Ross Bentley is another, but it's more on driving techniques than pure suspension, it's more like telling you why something should be that way and how it affects the driving rather than calculated optimal settings for each purpose.
To answer your question though, you've got the right idea on a setup. The TRD is the only spring/shock combo where the shock damening is calculated by the spring rate like it should be. The hotchkis bars are an incredible difference over stock, but if you just put the rear on, you are causing dangerous snap oversteer on the car, do both or don't buy Hotchkis, even the salesmen for the company will tell you that, it's why they don't sell them seperately. The front strut tower bar was a waste of money, really, so was the rear, they just add weight with no noticeable improvement. My setup is TRD shocks/springs, Hotchkis sways, DC Sports front strut bar, Monster Motorworks rear strut bar, Goodyear Eagle F1 tires.
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Originally Posted by Otocan
I just skimmed through all the comments, but here's my take on things
The S-techs lower the car too much and throw handling out the window, and the whole "lowering the CG of the car for better performance" is laughable. You aren't lowering the CG at all, you're just overcompensating with suspension drag and less rebound.
Also, driver inprovement is the #1 modification you can do to your car. period. Tires are a close 2nd for suspension. You tell me how well you can make an emergency maneuver in a lowered car with front and rear sways and stiffer lowering springs when the tires give out at the first input. (Sway bars make the most noticeable improvement in handling BTW)
Sometimes I get tired of spitting out the same knowledge, this is why you should search before you create a new thread, there are hundreds on this subject. Or go read a book about suspension systems and you'll KNOW what you should do. "How to Make Your Car Handle" by Fred Puhn is one of the best I've read, and it's split out in layman's terms as well as mathmatical calculations that won't mean much to most. "Speed Secrets" I & II by Ross Bentley is another, but it's more on driving techniques than pure suspension, it's more like telling you why something should be that way and how it affects the driving rather than calculated optimal settings for each purpose.
To answer your question though, you've got the right idea on a setup. The TRD is the only spring/shock combo where the shock damening is calculated by the spring rate like it should be. The hotchkis bars are an incredible difference over stock, but if you just put the rear on, you are causing dangerous snap oversteer on the car, do both or don't buy Hotchkis, even the salesmen for the company will tell you that, it's why they don't sell them seperately. The front strut tower bar was a waste of money, really, so was the rear, they just add weight with no noticeable improvement. My setup is TRD shocks/springs, Hotchkis sways, DC Sports front strut bar, Monster Motorworks rear strut bar, Goodyear Eagle F1 tires.
The S-techs lower the car too much and throw handling out the window, and the whole "lowering the CG of the car for better performance" is laughable. You aren't lowering the CG at all, you're just overcompensating with suspension drag and less rebound.
Also, driver inprovement is the #1 modification you can do to your car. period. Tires are a close 2nd for suspension. You tell me how well you can make an emergency maneuver in a lowered car with front and rear sways and stiffer lowering springs when the tires give out at the first input. (Sway bars make the most noticeable improvement in handling BTW)
Sometimes I get tired of spitting out the same knowledge, this is why you should search before you create a new thread, there are hundreds on this subject. Or go read a book about suspension systems and you'll KNOW what you should do. "How to Make Your Car Handle" by Fred Puhn is one of the best I've read, and it's split out in layman's terms as well as mathmatical calculations that won't mean much to most. "Speed Secrets" I & II by Ross Bentley is another, but it's more on driving techniques than pure suspension, it's more like telling you why something should be that way and how it affects the driving rather than calculated optimal settings for each purpose.
To answer your question though, you've got the right idea on a setup. The TRD is the only spring/shock combo where the shock damening is calculated by the spring rate like it should be. The hotchkis bars are an incredible difference over stock, but if you just put the rear on, you are causing dangerous snap oversteer on the car, do both or don't buy Hotchkis, even the salesmen for the company will tell you that, it's why they don't sell them seperately. The front strut tower bar was a waste of money, really, so was the rear, they just add weight with no noticeable improvement. My setup is TRD shocks/springs, Hotchkis sways, DC Sports front strut bar, Monster Motorworks rear strut bar, Goodyear Eagle F1 tires.
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good set-up besides the tires....they are gonna give u some problems...i know the yokos arent as bad as the potenzas, but i do not know how good they are....i had to trade mine in for hydroplaning, it was killing me at like 35...neo-gens rock
anyone with any expiernce knows that LCG has its limits....it eventually will do nothing more but drag the car...sway bars will help the most-good luck getting the front in i have heard it is a pain...
all in all looks great
anyone with any expiernce knows that LCG has its limits....it eventually will do nothing more but drag the car...sway bars will help the most-good luck getting the front in i have heard it is a pain...
all in all looks great
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Be careful about the front sway bar. If it's just a daily driver, I don't know if you want to go through all the hassle to install it. For what you will be doing, I think a Progress or TRD rear sway will be easier and cheaper and just as fun.
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