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Originally Posted by norcalstatvs

Thanx for the info. Wen a bigger selection hits the market i will prolly buy a set of the best spring rated set.

There is no way of knowing in advance if “bigger is better”. The only way you will tune (size) you suspension components is to buy a bucket load of suspension components, get your azz to the race track, put on the helmet, gloves and diving suit and strap your azz into the driver’s seat. Then you ware out the stopwatch and get writer’s cramps from taking good notes on your suspension setup… You better know in advance on what each component change will do to your handling so you can verify/validate with the stopwatch. From your comments, it does not sound like you are competent enough to accomplish this...in other words, you are in way over your head! Stick to seeing how low you can go with f00cking up your handling like most of the rest of the people here on ScionLife…all show and no go!

 

Wow! Can I be your friend? I'm impressed!

 

Yo eoio3, forums r here for ppl like myself to learn. Dont be a d1ck cuz u may know more then the average person about tuning suspension. If "we all" ____ u off so much then get off forums cuz most ppl r here to learn and those who are knowledgeable of the perticular topic help us learn.

 

Well, most of his comments above are not true at all. Enough of the legwork has been done and you can gain enough knowledge to make good decisions. You may not end up with the fastest setup on earth, but for a street car that is not what you are looking for.

Most people that have actually competed in a fwd car know that it is hard to go too large on a rear sway with most of the off the shelf parts that are out there. For example, on the first gen tC, besides the DG spec bar on full stiff or a hotchkis rear on full stiff/stock front bar, it is hard to go too stiff for a street car. Products made by progress or TRD will make a very noticeable improvement in handling on a street car without overdoing things, since that is what they are building for. Leave the front bar stock in most cases.

For drop, not many have done the homework on a 2nd gen yet, but generally on these types of setups going more than about a 1.5 inch drop is throwing the geometry out of whack. As you drop, spring rates should go up. Hard to say yet what the good handling setups will be for the 2nd gen.

EOIO, I am not sure why you are acting the way you are. Finding aligment shops that have scales is not some sort of rarity like you say. If they do performance alignments, they will have them. "Speed shops" or "tuner shops" tend to be nothing but rice factories, which is why they dont know how to properly align a car and dont have the equipment.

The main point here is that the comment earlier that lowering springs improve handling is very, very generalized and incorrect. Most times they are built more for looks and a cushy ride than actually making the car handle better.

 

^ thank you fo the detailed clarrification. I got the car in december of 2010 so the parts out for us were beyond limited. So i Heard tein was a good brand but didnt know until lately that springs are rated on their compression. Wen i was buying my stechs i didnt see anything about the spring rate. So i went on the lowest drop at the time thinking this wud help my handling. Clearly now i know thats incorrect. They really do help some over stock but now im curious on how the et springs will handle! Wish there was a bigger selection out ther. Soon enough hopefully

 

You learn by going to school and/or making mistakes…this is the internet...

 

^^this last section is the most inaccurate generalization in the thread, since we're calling out generalizations....

^^Correction...over lowering without adjustments does indeed hurt handling, S-techs lower AND raise spring rate (in addition, they're progressive) so the statement that cutting and S-techs lower w/o raising spring rate is false.... Assuming that no one has successfully run s-techs in Auto-X is another inaccurate generalization.

^^so, I agree, I did make a general comment about lowering springs not hurting performance. So you make generalizations to prove that S-techs are crap and will ruin handling. Since we're both working in generalizations, one has to decide which generalization is more accurate. Dropping your car on S-techs approximately 1.5"f & 1.7" rear with 180/320 lbs./in. progressive springs is not the detriment to handling that you'd have us believe. It's not like some dude in a metal shop is mindlessly marketing a spring that leads to catastrophic failure. Tein has an Army of engineers that test and tweak these products to each specific platform. You might not have done the research necessary for the 2011 tC platform yet, but they have. And I have a feeling they have an adequate knowledge of roll couples, motion ratios, wheel rates, etc.

this is hilarious.....there are a lot of different ways in which people learn, and the internet has done more to influence learning than many of them.

 

Thank you...

So, we do kind of agree by me saying…”[by] making mistakes”. Now that I’ve said it twice, I’ve got a question for you. What kind of person does not make any mistakes? Answer; The one who does nothing. So, as NIKE puts it, "Just do it!"

True, but if this is the only place…good luck in getting a job! Kind of like saying that you will grow strong and healthy by just eating spices and vitamins…you still need to eat the food for that to happen. While spices and vitamins in the right quantities can make the food tastier and/or better for you, it is still not food.

 

.....I never said anything about not making mistakes, and I do agree w/you about learning from school and mistakes......my point was that you cannot discount the internet as a learning tool, or these forums for that matter. True...A skill must be practiced hands-on, that part of what you're saying is true; but information can be learned as easy on the internet as in a book or classroom.

 

OK…the OP asked a simple question…and the simple question was answered.
Most people don’t understand the difference between knowledge and information. Knowledge is tough to come by and information can be gotten very easily on the interned…among other places. We have gotten way off topic…this thread should be closed.

 

yet another thread gone horribly, horribly awry...