1NZ-FE TRD Turbo
Originally Posted by superfreestyle
Originally Posted by Experimental
Why is the TRD turbo kit for the 1NZ-FE not offered to the states. the Vios was offered limited edition from toyota turbocharged by TRD from factory. 143 hp @6400 RPM and 196 nm @4400 rpms. source http://paultan.org/archives/2005/11/...ta-vios-turbo/
seems it would have made the xB even more of a hot item had this been offered to us.
seems it would have made the xB even more of a hot item had this been offered to us.
Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by rollhard
Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by Simplyscion
tuning issues...they use a MAP sensor instead of a MAF sensor and they run 100+ octane compared to our 91+ octane...running more timing to get those numbers over there is way less of an issue than being able to duplicate the numbers here with our lower octane rating...sucks to be us 
No reason the xB's MAP system can't handle it with the 91+ fuel...
It needs some ECM programming... My mini is still using stock programming....
The xB was designed for fuel economy... but you can have both... I get 27mpg city and 35 hwy in the mini... and its heavier than the scion...
It's only time before someone comes out with a reprogrammer or a piggy-back unit for the ECU. But the xB still won't be as quick... its not designed for speed...
The other problem is also that the Toyotas/Scions dont use a map sensor. All the newer cars use a Hotwire sensor.
So what would you rather have? A bolt-on turbo for a econo-box that is factory set for fuel economy.. or a factory built car that is designed around forced induction?
There are twincharged minis running around with 350 whp. The box don't have a chance.. It is what it is...
Good luck trying to beat a cooper S with a xB.. blown or not..
Ive been talking to someone at Toyota and the problem is because the ECU makes its adjustments from more parameters than the piggyback will allow you to control. Lets say the stock afm can read a range of 1 cfm to 300 cfm. Now that is only an example. And lets say with the car turbocharged will draw 350cfm, the ECU can only assume its going at 300cfm max, allow the correct ignition timing and fuel for 300cfm. Thats why people change or upgrade map sensors. For example some cars come with a 3 bar map sensor. So if you are going to run more than 3 bar, youll need something that can read more. I think the problem is that the Emanage is altering the airflow to trick the ecu into adding more fuel. The ecu is getting a reading that there is more fuel, but the water temp, speed, throttle position, etc. is all the same. For what it knows, its not supposed to be that way. I like what ZPI did. They added the larger injectors and didnt tune it. The ECU cant do anything or wont know how to hold that fuel in so there is no worry of fuel starvation. They will then use the Emanage to lean it out a bit. This might also mess with the ECU but a much safer way imo. I hope this makes sense. Ive been sitting here all day with exhaust fumes coming in and the sound of cars dynoing. I need to go home....
Originally Posted by rollhard
Ive been talking to someone at Toyota and the problem is because the ECU makes its adjustments from more parameters than the piggyback will allow you to control. Lets say the stock afm can read a range of 1 cfm to 300 cfm. Now that is only an example. And lets say with the car turbocharged will draw 350cfm, the ECU can only assume its going at 300cfm max, allow the correct ignition timing and fuel for 300cfm. Thats why people change or upgrade map sensors. For example some cars come with a 3 bar map sensor. So if you are going to run more than 3 bar, youll need something that can read more. I think the problem is that the Emanage is altering the airflow to trick the ecu into adding more fuel. The ecu is getting a reading that there is more fuel, but the water temp, speed, throttle position, etc. is all the same. For what it knows, its not supposed to be that way. I like what ZPI did. They added the larger injectors and didnt tune it. The ECU cant do anything or wont know how to hold that fuel in so there is no worry of fuel starvation. They will then use the Emanage to lean it out a bit. This might also mess with the ECU but a much safer way imo. I hope this makes sense. Ive been sitting here all day with exhaust fumes coming in and the sound of cars dynoing. I need to go home.... 
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