after polishing. But yeah I'm planning on taking a pick of everything soon.

 

i got my plugs and now i need tranny oil. how many qts. does the auto tranny take.

 

If you guys had to make a decision, which ECU would you choose?? Im torn it between all these choices, its horrible and i have no idea what to do.

Choice 1:
Swap ECU with Echo and install piggy-back
Choice 2:
Swap ECU with Celica and install piggy-back
Choice 3:
Install piggy-back with OEM ECU
Choice 4:
Install stand alone designed for Celica's

Out of all these choices which piggy-back should i use
1.) E-Manage Blue
2.) E-Manage Ultimate
3) AEM F/IC
4.) etc..

As for affordable stand alone's i think the Power FC is the best choice, thats what my buddy uses on his Celica and it works great, just not sure how well it would work on our 1NZ-FE. PLEASE and i really mean PLEASE, give me your opinion, this is all im missing for my turbo kit.

 

Don't get an ecu for a different car and then go piggyback. Its a waste of money. If you are going piggyback just use the stock ecu.

 

How about the stand alone from a celica??

 

If you can get the pfc to work than that would be great, I think the only thing with the power fc is that its not obd 2 complient so you won't be able to pull codes anymore, you will only know what the pfc tells you. The pfc was designed before obd2 came out.

 

i don't understand the whole arguement about going stand alone over piggy back... i don't know.
Seems like everyone is looking out the motor as if it's going to be putting a crazy ammount of power. Unless you plan on building the motor and doing something with the weak auto tranny... i don't see the point of going stand alone.. the piggy back has everything you'll need to get the car moving and running good.
personaly, i have an e-manage in the car now, harness..etc... ( we use the xb harness from their turbo kit ) and i'm running the car NA... just a brief tune on it...

 

Standalone is way better hands down. Its the value of the pfc that makes it worth trying out. You can get the pfc for a celica with the commander for about $750 for piggybacks its like $500. The price difference (if the pfc works good) is worth it.

 

Standalone is way better hands down. Its the value of the pfc that makes it worth trying out. You can get the pfc for a celica with the commander for about $750 for piggybacks its like $500. The price difference (if the pfc works good) is worth it.

 

Oook...just curious i guess, how much is the celica ecu? Does it plug and play right in? just curious.
Seems like you'd rather create yourself a serious wiring mess for just a standalone... are you really planning on making serious power from the stand alone ..instead of a piggy back?
And btw, incase it's a problem your hitting, the pfc have a wiring harness for our car... brashboys ( it's a comp in japan ) has one they use..

 

Well the wiring part can be delt by getting an extended wire harness from boomslang because the jdm and usdm scion/ist have different ecu's especially going from 05 to 06. The problem with piggybacks is that your tuning capabilities will be good but not great. But then again if you don't understand tuning piggybacks, you probably shouldn't mess with a stand alone. A piggy back you can increase or decrease settings. On standalone, you start from zero, so don't plan on plugging it in and starting your car, cuz it won't. if you want ease of installation and tuning try staying with similer setups that others are running. You will be able to load others maps to your piggyback or standalone and go from there. It saves you money on the tune (if you take it to a shop) and you will have something to start off from. Keep in mind that elevation and temp have a lot to do with how your tune will come up. Don't expect to have the same tune as anybody else, most likely it will be a tad bit different. So even if you buy a kit with a pretune, you still need to tune it for your environment................sorry I got lost on this post LOL. I'm at work and am trying to run a machine while posting. If you guys have any commnets or q's please let me know

 

No i understand how it all works. hehe. I was just making a comment to be honest.
I don't see much reason for a standalone and all that work for such a powerless motor. I don't know too many people looking to build up our motor. Though, i understand wanting to be able to have a perfectly tuned car... but with such a weak motor to begin with, your trying to squeeze a fart through a crack... it's not going to be much. Fining tuning or not..
Thats just my opinion though...maybe i'm wrong and our stock motors will put a crazy ammount of power with a " fine " tune.
But i think thats cool as hell if your going to put a standalone in the car.. by all means, power to you.

 

The only reason i dont want to go piggy-back is because of our intelligent computers. I have had horror stories about piggy-backs and our 64 bit ECU's. Ive heard that you have to be pulling fuses almost everyday, as well as the piggy-back struggling with the stock ECU. The ECU wants to do something, but the piggy-back is telling it to do something else and then you get CEL's. I HATE CEL's!!! I dont want one and that why i would go stand alone, but from the looks of it im probably just going to buy a Greddy E-Manange.

BTW, does boomslang sell the wiring harness for the e-manage?? If not how did you connect your piggy-back, let me know, as this is what im going to purchase next. I would love if somebody could tell me where to buy the harness.

 

Huh? I haven't ONE problem with my e-manage in the car. lol.
I tossed a wide band in the car and did some street tuning and that over a couple months ago... haven't a single problems with my e-manage. No CEL, no goof up, nothing.. but i guess each car has it's own problems..

 

Well I think what people might be having problems with are pretuned ecus. But if installed and tuned right, the piggybacks should work good just like neo said. As far as the standalone, I am planning to buy a second block to go all out in the future. But not right now so that's why I bought the emanage blue and camcon. Also from what I here you shouldn't mess with stock settings for startup, what you really want to tune is wot. And I was going to put at the end of my post that I wasn't reffering to anyone in perticular as I felt you were going to think I was talking to you neo lol.

 

haha no it's cool. it's just hard to understand when people want to run a stand alone on such a weak motor. I mean, i understand the tuning advantages...
But whats hard..is that tuning a car from zero is a very hard process. i would imagine if people we're doing it a lot it'd be all over scion life, much like people putting rims on their car and body kits.
But it is simple...running a stand alone needs no ecu on the car...simply getting a harness for our car ( the greddy for example ) cutting it... then finding a standalone with the tips and simply connect wires...and then you have no base map and a whole bunch of dyno/street tuning ahead of you. =)
But i find it hard to believe...personaly, that a widely known company as Greddy for example or HKS..would come out with a turbo kit..and have it run off of a piggy back. and claim no problems...
Myself have had NONE with the piggyback tuned for NA..until i boost it.

 

Im definitely going to go with the e-manage blue. BTW, I was looking at the boomslang webpage and i couldn't find the wiring harness for our cars. I could only see the tC, can you guys point me in the right direction?

 

they will make you one if u ask them nicely

 

I emailed them and they told me they updated their website, so i went to talk a second look a saw that they do have the wiring harness. But isn't $250.00 a little high for just a harness or does it come with the e-mamange??

 

Just curious, if your going to run an e-manage why not just use the greddy wiring harness?