kinda wish i could have jumped in on this sooner, but my internet has been down, cant wait to be home and have normal internet. anyways, a couple notes... you can pick up GReddy kits for 2500 off ebay stores, if you are lucky you might be able to get your hands on a used on for about 1500. The Greddy kit is awesome, pure bolt on plug and play worry free power. there are few parts to it, making the install fairly simple depending on your knowledge of cars, and the system is rock solid. i installed my kit when i was home on leave on my 5spd, i only got to drive it for a couple weeks, but i felt confident enough in the system to leave it with my wife, she has been driving it for the past 5 months without a problem. still using the stock clutch too, hasnt gone out yet, but i have a spec stage 2 i am going to install when i get home in a couple weeks. i would recommend this kit to anyone looking to make their daily driver quicker and more fun to drive but still want to maintain reliability and MPG, the two weeks i was home i didnt notice a change in MPG, it was a lot easier to climb hills so i spent a lot less time at WOT going up the hills. as far as performance, with a good launch i can get about a 7 flat 0-60, maybe high 6, with 19inch wheels, a 5spd, header, and intake. the other day my wife said a Tc made an attempt to outrun her, she was on the Tc rear all the way to 60 when they finally gave up ;) after 60 i do notice the power starts to wane a little, maybe it is because i need to switch to larger injectors. ive got a couple things i want to try when i get home. overall i couldnt be happier with this kit, it is perfect for city driving, and it makes hwy cruising and hill climbing easier. as far as the reliability of eaton blowers, i use to have a Grand Prix GTP with an eaton M90, i swapped pullies and was running 12psi before i sold it to my brother, it is at 140,000 miles and it is still going strong. sorry to be so long winded, just trying to get caught up on this thread

 

wow, well its good to finally hear someone who isnt disapointed with a Greddy.

what is included in a stage 2 upgrade?

 

everything you need. pressure plate, disc, throwout bearing, alignment tool... i cant wait to install it when i get home, i hate how mushy the stock clutch is.

 

i have been reading the greddy kit with cai and header will only yeild 114 whp. 2400 is alot to spen for 114 hp. is it really worth it? i have an auto 05 xb and i love the looks and handling and room but i hate the pickup. i redline the thing all day and its 100 deg. here in the south and that makes it worse. i relise it is a good kit and it is plug and play but is it really worth it?

 

Curb weight: 2395 ib
HP: 114 whp
21.0

2nd Gen: 3026 ib
whp: 140? guesstimate
3026/140 = 21.6

These are really fuzzy numbers, but it basically puts it in the 2nd gen range in terms of weight to hp ratio. So, in that perspective, 3K for an upgrade is cheaper than trading in the car, yes? I guess worth is relative.

 

the xB's (every gen) rate their posted horsepower at the flywheel. Reality, its really about 85 to the wheels of a automatic.

A friend of mine with the Blitz compressor running on 18" wheels ran a recorded 135 horsepower to the wheels of a 1NZ-FE. He has all the basic power adders (intake, exhaust, headers, ect.)

I recently bought a F350 4wd turbo diesel and that truck weights about 8,000lbs and even that has better pickup than my xB.

My truck can reach 60 in about a lil under 6 seconds.

that being said, i've also upped the horsepower to around 550 and torque to around 700. But i'm running a 14" Kelderman lift and 24" semi KMC wheels with 40" semi tires and STILL outrunning most lighter 4 and 6 cyl cars.

But the point is you can make anything go fast if you have the right tools.
and the right budget

 

i would say 130/135 is a realistic result. i dont know what it is like to drive the auto with a sc, but with the 5spd is was definitely worth it. i have driven the auto stock, definitely needs help...

 

EasysBox, your figures are a little on the conservative side so anyone going this root will NOT be disapointed.
The difference between the auto v manual could not be more different. The auto has taller gearing. On the highway, manual, @ 70 you are looking at 3350-3500, auto you are at 82. Either way the Greddy is a very good deal. Fortunately I have the manual & a friend has an auto, neither car disappoints.
On the service side these Eatom blowers can go well over 100k without any service, none.....

 

ok, so Steve60:

Greddy vs. Blitz vs. PowerEnterprise

i dont mean to be a pest about it, but i still believe the Blitz is a better deal because of the selectable throttle controls. Does Greddy sell something like a kit that can do that?


also, i notice that the TRD supercharger for the tC and the new xB come with upgraded injectors and i know its a completely different engine, but does that mean TRD recommends all superchargers to have upgraded injectors?

 

The Blitz is a different deal altogether v Greddy. It uses an electric clutch to engauge the SC - via 3 throttle positions. The Greddy has an internal BPV ( by-pass-valve ), that, when there is no vacuum, you have full boost.
I don't see that the selectable throttle control is a plus as you can only set it for 1 of the three settings. Not that this is a bad thing, it works just fine, although it is limited.
The Greddy is a power on demand. Need a little, you get a little. The BPV will sense vacuum as you work the throttle, close when the throttle opens & close when vacuum recovers.
This really comes down to personal taste, as to how the boost is delivered.
Sorry I don't have anything to say about the PE, only that there is more opertunity to make more power, add an IC for 1. Some would say that needing an external oiler complicates reliability. IMHO - just perception. They are smaller & very efficent.
The best advice I can give anyone who wants to go FI, is try before you buy. Unfortunately this is not always possible.
The injectors. We could start a new thread just on this subject. From my point of view the injectors are about a 7 out of 10 priority for a DD, a must for hard driving. This is anarea where Greddy shines as an off the shelf kit. Even though you should get injectors, the included e-manage does a pretty good job. I have no idea how much the e-manage segragates the OE ECU or what kind of discrimination modules are used but with the piggy hooked, the AF & EGT is much better, better than the Blitz ( OE injectors ).
TRD is the OE hot rod department. They won't sell anything unless there is plenty of headroom. You will be safe with anything they offer.....
Hope this helps,
Steve

 

the GReddy's boost bypass system is great, you get boost in relation to vacuum/throttle postition as steve60 said. that means you will not be boosting until you need/want it. so just puttering around town, unless you have a lead foot, you wont be boosting and you will still be getting great MPG, but if you need some more power all of a sudden, step on the gas and you will have full boost instantaneously, the biggest benefit of a SC over a TC. the blitz requires that you are either boosting low, med, high, or not at all, you have to make that selection. with the GReddy it is automatic, you foot decides how much boost you need. as far as being on the conservative side of numbers ;) i always like to be a little conservative, that way i dont sound like the guy who sticks a resistor into his IAT sensor and claims 20hp ) anyways. if i had to choose between the 3, which i did, i would go GReddy, it has the fewest parts, is the easiest to use, and is probably the most reliable, the Emanage is an awesome piggyback unit.

 

whoo cant wait to get mine, just from seeing your videos easy i know that ur not b-sing any of what you say. that and it total convinced me on greddy!

 

yeah, this Greddy compressor sounds better and better.


i've made my decision to go with a Greddy

 

yep greddy sound like the way to go and i have made the decision also.. i decided im too POOR. maybe next year.

 

i forgot about the videos i had posted on here, keep in mind i have 19s, so my speedo is off a little, generally i figure i am hitting 60 right at the 2-3 shift. i still haven't had time to work on my launch yet either, i only got to drive the car for a couple weeks before i had to leave again, i made those videos a couple days after the install. as soon as i get a little more practice in and install the spec clutch i will post a new video, i want to redo the exhaust from the collector back as well, see if i cant get into a solid mid 6 0-60 with basic bolt-ons, shouldn't be too hard, im just about there already ;)

 

Easy,"install the spec clutch"... You are gonna need 1 to get the launch you're looking for. With this car I could crack the clutch in 5th gear with 2 passengers - OE clutch. I figure that the Spec 3+ will be the last clutch this car will ever need.
Injectors?

 

steve, do you have any pointers on the clutch install, any tricks to get the tranny out a little easier. i think when i do mine i am going to take my flywheel in at the same time and have it back cut, lighten it a little bit. ill prolly do the clutch install within a couple weeks after i get home, so within a month i should have it installed. as far as injectors go, i do want to go with bigger ones, im trying to decide between the 2ZZ and Tc injectors. when i do get around to the bigger injectors i am going to use the emanage support tool to play with the map settings, get a wideband and fine tune it. but that will come later, prolly be 2 or 3 months. but yeah, any pointers on getting the tranny out would be greatly appreciated.

 

arent 2ZZ-FE injectors the same as tC injectors?

if you install larger injectors, does that mean you'll lose some MPG as a result of increased fuel delivery?

 

Q1 = Could be & yes that is what is in the 06 auto car
Q2 = Yes but no
How do you like those answers? They are correct.
You have the Toyota injector type 2zz that may or may not translate to a part number.
You will loose some fuel mileage with a heavy foot, even with the OE pieces ( FI ). Fact is, I believe the mileage is better on this car - average ( with a full car ). It might be 1 mpg on the highway. This is notable because there is less throttle needed for some tasks that required more, like long grades, passing, lane changes in city traffic. Don't expect to use your right foot less, you won't.
The fuel delivery will be what the ECU sees & no more ( with pig ). The bigger injectors will not require more fuel. The fuel delivery becomes more efficent as a result of more headroom with shorter duty cycle.

Easy, there aren't any tricks for the clutch. You end up either droping everything, with a lift, or the old fashion way, removing the left front corner. Need to get up at 4:20am, so I'll detail the 2 jack method of the clutch removal ritual, CRR for short, tomorow.

 

sounds good steve, thanks.