Hey everyone,

I think it might be easier to just take a poll on who is interested and who is not. Please vote... If you guys know other Xa owners who might be interested but dont post on Scionlife, please send them this link so we can get an accurate idea of those interested.

Thanks!

 

Dang it Rollhard! I just finished writing up the post!

Is there a way you could add a third option that says something like... "Yes. So that it will be easier for them to develop the xB kit at a later date."

 

We can put another poll for XB owners also. Honestly man, there are so many supercharger kits out for the Xb now, its tough for a company to want to compete. We do fabrication, etc here and thats one of the reasons why I havent made a kit yet.

 

I understand it being hard to break into the xB supercharger market. But there are things companies can do to carve out a niche for themselves.

1. Engine Management. Get something that works well, and allows higher SAFE boost numbers.

2. More horsepower. Probably a result of number 1. As we all know most of the supercharger kits available don't offer a lot of bang for the buck.

3. Efficiency. If someone were to make a supercharger with the same power and better fuel economy they would open up to a larger market. Again, probably a result of number 1.

4 CARB. Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Even if it is expensive, the first person to offer a CARB legal kit stands lock down an entire market. Especially if they can get the carb exemption to work for all 1NZFE equipped Toyota and Scion vehicles.

 

You make some good points, but here is my take on it.

#1. Engine management is not cheap. Anything that will generally fall within the budget if an Xa owner will have to be piggyback. In that case, the piggyback will have to fight the stock ecu. That raises a ton of other issues.

#2. There is only so much power you can go with the certain amount of boost. I dont care what turbo you use, which supercharger kit. More hp = more pressure on that engine and there is only so much it can take....yes, even regardless of tune. I can tune it for the perfect afr, timing, etc but at a certain point, the engine just cant handle the pressure stock.

#3. More power with FI will lose fuel economy. If someone is getting good gas mileage still with FI, that means the FI kit is not efficient for a good power delivery. The more air there is, youll still need that much more fuel regardless of which supercharger or turbo is being used. That is why all FI kits for the xb should give the same amount of fuel economy. Even if its off, it should all be around the same numbers.

#4. I dont think the companies out there are willing to CARB it just yet. I know you said it before and I have also. It just costs too much money at this point in time to do it. Like I said before, I do some testing for CARB certification here in CA. EPA of California runs test here, about once a week or so. A company will have to sell a TON of kits at a much higher cost to break even. That brings us to cost...

#5. Most people who buy the Xa or Xb are on a budget. Most are still making monthly payments. Most bought this car for the price and its fuel economy. How many people are really willing or have the funds to spend 20% of what their car costs to increase power and lower fuel efficiency?

RT, Im not trying to downplay your suggestion or ideas. I do product development consulting and these are just things that the companies need to consider. Smart companies that is. That is why they want to get a feel for how many people are interested in the kits. All the costs vs immediate profit vs future profits and investments need to be considered. Actual numbers need to be taken into account and still there is a big risk. We can all keep our fingers crossed but I would get my hopes up too soon.

 

I agree with you 100%. And I have a lot of respect for your opinion, especially when it comes to forced induction. You have been one of the few to look beyond face value and call companies on the carpet.

And like you, I don't count on seeing a CARB legal kit for the xB any time soon. Maybe never with the soon to come demise of the model. That is why I made the suggestion that whatever company decides to go for CARB certification do so for ALL Toyota models using the 1NZFE in the state. If they did that they could develop and market kits for the Echo, xB, xA, and Yaris. A much broader customer base to pull from.

But, I will step off my CARB soap box. This thread was for Ghostrider and ATR. I just hope a dozen "I want one" responses is enough for them to develop the kit.

 

hehe, yeah for sure. Where are all the votes?? Come on people!

 

I voted.

I hope the company decides to make the supercharger for the xA.

 

i just wanna see some more options out for you xA guys so I voted yes

 

i voted

 

HELL YES!!! I dont want to turbo, i want to supercharge and all the superchargers out there are either too expensive or dont fit the xA, tell the company that if it all works out well and they do the correct R&D and develope a sound sysytem with fuel management im ready to give the money. But until they design, show and run their kit i will still be skeptical.

 

Sounds great... but I just can't see spending that much on a few extra horse... When the warranty is up I'll see what it takes to cram a 2ZZFE 2L into my xA... it won't cost much more than we're talking about for a *charger...