I too signed up to be a lab rat and I'm awaiting issues too and will be able to solve them.. the end result is a smooth, impressive, strong product release from ZPI for all of you who want maximum power on a real-world car with maxium safety and reliablility.

 

I would say that statement is kind of an assumption...how is it gonna be safe and reliable if its never been tested before bro?
Come on guys, it hasnt even been released yet to the general public, I think its very sad that they are using you guys to test the kit out on without really compensating you guys for it...it kind of makes sense I guess cause anything that breaks they arent responsible for cause its not their car

 

Thats why I went with the Greddy kit. I knew I was going to turbo charge my car the week I did. I contact ZPI, Blitz, and Greddy with questions...with no answers from ZPI. Its funny, that this title keeps changing. What was a couple of weeks, turned to months, what was supposed to be Friday went to monday to tues, to today and now tomorrow? WTF?

 

Well it's been ran for quite a bit on their test xB, then Proshop's, now mine will be a test subject. The point is we are testing it so that others don't have to. To me it's all part of the fun. I have access to spare resources in case something goes wrong, and it probably will (as with anything else). If I blow an engine, I'll drop another one in.. to me it's not a big deal. I can't speak for Proshop, but I'm the type of person who has been doing this for a bit and enjoys the innovation part and being able to test new things. And yes if it blows up my car/is not safe/reliable then so be it, I'll be the first to tell you all so you don't buy it or consider it. And if it does succeed then I'll also be the first to report that I had a good experience with it. Personally I think this is going to be a lot of fun, no matter what happens...

 

I just wish you guys the best of luck. Vito and I have our opinions of the company you are dealing with and its just that....our opinion. I hope everything works out for you guys. Its just that this delay and lack of communication only supports our opinion even more. Where are they? Whats the problem? If there is one, why not explain it? I rather someone let me know whats going on then just not saying anything. If they dont want to answer my questions, why wont they tell me "no"? Why just ignore my posts?

 

Vito and Rollhard I have the utmost respect for you two guys, you know you stuff very well and I thankyou both for the knowledge you have and are passing on to all of us. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion on a company or anything, I have my opinion on many things and many companies and that is what makes life great. Where all not walking around like robots with the same idea's and opinions in life.

As for being the test subject for ZPI. I actively persued Kenny to be a test subject for them and as I stated before I knew exactly what I was getting myself into. They have R&D on all the major parts and components of the kit on there own car at the shop for over 4K miles, they just changed locations of a few things for the redesign.

You guys both know that delay's and $hit happens in buisness and in life. Im not sure where the lack of comunication is, I know exactly what is going on with my car, pretty much daily, since I talk to ZPI daily. So there is no lack of communication to me about my car. As for why they dont come on here and post. Well they dug themselves a hole and are in the process of digging themsleves out of it to make there company respectable again and take care of there customers. Which means thay are spending all there time assembling kits to ship and working on all the cars in the shop, so their is little time for them to get on the internet.

Rollhard if you need some questions answered let me know, I can proably get Nester (Sean) from ZPI to come on and help answer them for you. Just let me know.

I really dont want this thread to turn into a bash fest( i know you two arent bashing but others may come on and start to). I want it to be an informative thread, form a standpoint of a customer/ third party (me), not a company telling me thoughts of a kit. :D

 

Im excited to see the finished product. I saw the prototype when they brought their shop xB here to dyno it to get the numbers they have from before. We havent been contacted about dyno time so I'm assuming they arent for sure when they want to bring it, or they are going to make the trec to indiana to the dynojet.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the final design and what type of power it makes. Should be interesting.

Charles

 

They probably havent contacted you because the car was never going to be ready last week, monday, tuesday, wed or today....

ProshopXB, we are here for you man. Im only messing around here on the forums because I drive my xb daily. Even though I am at a shop, I started off as an enthusiast so I hate broken promises, etc. from shops, companies, etc. I know it happens a lot in this industry, and it shouldnt. We shouldnt settle for a lower standard. I know you are the one that pursued ZPI about this kit. Whether that was a mistake or not, thats up to you to decide. I approached them also...I wanted to sell their products for our shop here. I had questions that werent answered...oh well. The bottom line is I wont sell anything that I dont believe in 100%. Its just not going to happen. I hope your car is OK and there are no problems. A turbo kit really isnt that big of a deal. There are only so many different ways you can do the piping, manifold, turbo size, etc. I just didnt understand what the hold up was. I dont want to flame anyone or any company on here. Lets just say that everyone is watching. And the more broken promises are made, the more "ignoring" of questions, etc only hurt them. I could care less. Im on here for fun and not trying to sell anything. I just hope from our posts and discussions that we all learn something....whether it be parts, info about our cars or who to and who not to deal with.

 

We are not on the internet as much right now....We are hiring some people in the next few weeks and it will help with the online holding and handling the million phone calls so that your hold time should be elminated...

The hold up on the xB has been more than anything we had pipes bent as we are using the kit built on Billy's car as a production kit. We where so happy with the end product we want to use it on all of yopur xBs.

The car runs great and FYI you auto guys will get the full 7psi kit. We mount the turbo very low and use an external oil pump to get the oil back into the valve cover. The plus side of this is that you do not need to modify the block in order to have the kit installed.

Billys car is an auto we started the car from neutral once instead of park and the power wire we had been using for the pump was a keyed12volt source. For whatever reason this wire does not energize off a neutral start thus the pump not kicking and we gernaded a turbo...The problem being is that there is now a lot of oil in the exhaust and billys car has 2 resonators and a big muffler so we have to get the oil out before we can ship the car back.

The car will be dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics dynometer more than likely. .. Thanks

 

I am wondering why you would use an external oil pump??? The mechanical pump on the engines raise oil pressure when the car is driven to higher rpms, etc. How are you guys controlling how much oil pressure is with the electric pump??

 

I second that question.

 

What makes this kit so unique or different from all other turbo kits in the market that it needs an electric oil pump?? Nissan, Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford,...I have never seen a kit that needed an electric oil pump for the turbo. Sounds like something got F'd up. If a kit need an external oil pump to run 7.5 psi, its poorly made or not efficient at all.

 

Rollhard please dont make me Lock my own thread... There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the bashing needs to stop and the picture was uncalled for.

 

Let's see what happens with Billy's car, he's right.. this is all about innovation/discovery... I can't wait to see the results...

 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the kit they have designed is more like a remote mount then a standard it. It mounts the turbo down where the s-pipe would be on a tc which is lower then the oil pan. The pump is on the return side of the turbo oiling system since you can't use gravity to feed it back into the pan.

I'm confused about the whole nuetral start thing as a switched 12 volt source is constantly hot while the ignition is on. It should have never cycled power if I'm understanding what happened. Even if the car stalled and you fired it back up in nuetral, it should have kept working. I'd guess there was an issue somewhere else.

 

I appologize for that. I removed the picture. Something is just not right. For someone watching from the outside, there is definately something fishy going on. Why would you go with an extermal pump? First of all, this kit was meant to be a user friendly kit, bolt on power, 181whp maker, etc. Now, an external pump is involved? Not only does that raise the cost of the kit, it also raises the cost of the install. I think why someone would use an external pump...the only thing I can think of was that the engines mechanical oil pump did not work right. And in that case, if there is oil pump failure, you almost are guaranteed internal engine damage. The stock oil pump puts out more than enough pressure to oil cool a turbo. If the turbo is placed in a position where the stock pump cant get enough oil circulation through it,...its no longer an efficient turbo kit. You cant compress oil like you cold air. How much turbo lag are you asking for??? Youll have piping that rivals the length of the Great Wall of China.

 

Unfortunatley I can not answer why there is an external oil pump. But I know from the first day that I dropped the car off they were waiting on the oil pump to come in, so I dont beleive there is any issue with my factory oil pump.

Thankyou for taking the picture down.

 

NP, was your car on the dyno today?

 

Charles you are correct about the turbo placement.

 

No they spent the day cleaning the oil out of the exhaust and installing my new pulley.