Hi Guys,

We received an interesting phone call today from an "anonymous" person that didn't like my new xB enclosure, or more importantly, the price! In fact, he screamed and shouted repeatedly how much he HATES my company and made accusations that we copied his enclosure and that he is going to file a lawsuit. First of all, hate is a strong word here and what this person did was very unprofessional and uncalled for. There is no need to scream and yell at my assistant, Kathy and say how much you hate us! Is the reason you hate us so much because one day after I introduce my enclosure to the folks here, the SPFR enclosure is suddenly discounted over 40% on this site! I'll let the people here make their own assumptions about that....... It's not personal, its business. It's called competition, get use to it!

Now let's discuss this accusation of "copying" the SPFR enclosure. This remark again is NOT true and uncalled for. I welcome the challenge for anyone to prove that I or my company copied the SPFR enclosure! I have NEVER personally seen, heard, or know of anyone else who has seen or heard this enclosure! I did not buy this enclosure and copy it! We made our enclosure the old fashion way....lot of sweat, time and hard work. We used custom and factory parts to make our design, not the SPFR enclosure! I do not know how the SPFR enclosure is built, how it is bonded, any specs on it other than it comes with a 12" ID sub (which is a nice sub BTW). My enclosure is made from 100% fiberglass and is designed to fit a variety of 10" subs. It has a completely different baffle than the other enclosure and I'm assuming mine has a totally different enclosure as well. Again, I welcome anyone to prove that my company intentionally copied this enclosure. I also welcome whomever called to call again and ask to speak with me personally about this issue. My name is Ronnie. However, if you going to do nothing but rant and scream, then don't bother calling.

Last, I want to defend the quality of AudioFormz products. We have been building and designing fiberglass subwoofer enclosures for five years now. We have dealers from coast to coast. We have been in the fiberglass industry for well over 15 years. I have employees that been in the fiberglass industry for over 20 years! We manufacture a variety of fiberglass products. We do not only hand lay fiberglass, we chop,vacuum form, and RTM (resin transfer molding) fiberglass in closed mold systems. There are literally hundreds of different types of resins, fiberglass, gelcoats on the market today. In fact, many of the raw materials we use today are custom designed for the products we make specifically. What one fiberglass enclosure sounds or is built like can be drastically different from how ours is built and sounds! We stand behind our products 100%. That is why we have always offered a 30 day no questions ask money back guarantee with every product we sale.

I welcome scionlife or any independent organization to test or compare our enclosure to any other on the market today! Just tell me when and where to send it to! I welcome the competition, I don't hate it! It's what makes us that much better!

Since I don't hate the competition, I do the next best thing...I LOWER prices even more! So for all of you xBoxers in the market for a custom fiberglass subwoofer enclosure, stay tuned to my next post! I'm going to make you all one he@! of a deal! This will be a one time offer since I will not make one dime from it! You all can thank the person who HATES my company for this!

If you hate me now, your going to hate me even more! May want to think about that before you call next time!

Keep Jammin,

--Ronnie

 

I can't wait for the new price. I have my 10 JL Audio W6 Anniversary Edition with a 250/1 monoblock waiting for the enclosure. Stoop keeping us waiting.
Or pm me with the price.

 

That isn't professional of the people of SPFR to do something like that... I hope it was just some guy posing as an SPFR employee...

 

did the guy have a low voice?

 

Strange, I talked to Jon right after he called them... he didn't mention anything about screaming and yelling, but who knows, he's kinda humorous like that if you ask me

oh well, i guess i'd be mad too if i invented something and then someone came out with something that's like 90% the same - and tried to sell it, even if they didn't know about it and really did invent it by themselves, you'd be mad too i bet.

kinda funny, but whatevers - i feel bad for Jon since he doesn't have a computer right now and can't defend himself on the boards, anyone who knows him knows he's a good guy, and he makes some GREAT products, and he was the 1st to innovate a lot of the stuff we are starting to see on our little cars now.

dunno why these guys posted such a nasty thing, especially since Jon/SPFR/Image Dynamics hasn't said one public thing about this company or their product,

who knows...i don't and i don't really care i guess, eveyone can make up their own mind and choose what's right for them

- Brian

 

ohh snap.

 

my take on this is..yes jon had the design on the market first, but if someone outside of scionlife has never heard of the enclosure, what makes the other party guilty of copying?

It's pure competition, there isn't only one spring manufacture, there are hundreds of them. So AudioFormz is cheaper. Does that mean SPFR was overcharging..NO, it just meant he domintated the market at that time. There is no reason for a representative to get all mad and call up a company and start flaming. That's just not right, straight up childish.

There is no need for anyone to defend themself..Its the marketplace, its competition, plus where is the patent?

Should of had a stronger marketing strategy.

 

 

youre talking about almost every product on the market today. how many types of toothpaste are there...how many types of cars are there...how many types of whatever are there that are being copied or re-produced in some form of fashion. i went to the store to buy my wife some maxi-pads... ...do you know how many there are...and there all the same thing in different packaging. a good business person would have patented his or her design...then get paid from the licensing...that's BUSINESS. and if he or she does have a patent...no prob...get a good lawyer and have it.

i dont know either one of these folks...but i do understand business. competition is a part of business...better get used to it.

 

I don't think he is blatantly deflaming SPFR, he just said someone called and was screaming at his secretary. Why would he make up such a thing? I personally have never heard of his company until his first post. But I will tell you what, by looking at his website and the pictures he has on it. It sure looks like excellent quality. And if the price is right I will be definitely buying one.

I personally have never talk to anyone from SPFR but have tried numerous times to call them about their enclosure and no one ever pics up the phone. IMO all of a sudden finding out the new price is 325 is kind of fishy to me. It is nice so see a new competitor is now on the market. I have read alot a post on here about how expensive SPFR enclosure is, as that was a deterring factor from most of us to buy it. And no one ever mention the new price then.

Well after seeing the orignal post I sent Besk One a pm and he reponded promptly to my message about there product. How quickly they respond now. :D

Just my duece cents.

 

i totally agree denny, if jon did call up and freak out, that's pretty weak - but it's just as weak for this Ronnie guy to come online and start something like this pver a private phonecall.

i think in basketball it would be a double technical ;)

if someone called up Crossfire and started freaking out, i'm sure you wouldn't come on the board and flame them right?

just seems silly to me to do that, but what i think doesn't really matter.

i do try to help Jon out as a friend by posting new products, and letting people contact me with questions since he's without a computer right now and because of that people allways think i'm somehow ao "part" of SPFR, or i work for them or something.

just so eveyone knows SPFR sponsors my car, but i have no part in the company other than trying to help out a friend

and westsype, ya i got right back to you because i'm on my computer like 24/7, Jon doesn't even have a computer right now, and has been in Missouri for the last 3 months, sorry if you couldn't get a hold of him - i agree he should be more on the ball with that kind of stuff...

as for his behaviour, strategies, marketing etc... that's up to him to handle and if he did create this drama, it's up to him to figure out how to fix it

Let's let the products and the prices speak for themselves.

- Brian

 

Competition always makes people jump :D

 

And that's NO lie! :D

 

ey XB ey

Say no when she tells you to pick up the pads. BRO! Don't Dooze It.

LMFAO

 

well put... BTW..Love ur carputer!

 

...youre obviously not married...lucky b*stard

 

I don't think it's safe to say Jon "invented" the rear compartment sub enclosure. Sure, he fabricated and sells it, but I'm sure others have thought of building/built a sub enclosure out of that compartment (check a Japanese site?). Also, I always thought $550 for his enclosure was WAY too expensive, even if it did come with a sub. If I ended up buying an xB, I know I'd make my own enclosure out of the rear compartment. And if others near me wanted me to help them do the same, I'd help them out. I wouldn't even charge for it. Would it be undercutting? No. I would be a prime example of a community member.

I don't see Randode (or that other guy who sells kits) sending me hate PMs because I made my own groundwire kit and encourage others to make their own, as well. Some people are more hands-on than others. Some people want to be able to blame someone else instead of themselves, as well.

I'm sure Jon's a nice guy, but I think it's a bit thick-headed to call up Audioformz to chew them out (if he really did that) because they is selling a comparable product. Did he call up Injen, K&N, and AEM because they made intakes? Did he call up Stylis for making exhausts?

All these companies on the forum are starting to ____ me off with their big-headed comments about their products (a la Injen/AEM fiasco).

 

I say let them argue more so the prices of the products keep droppin', who knows it may become free Seriously IMO, a 'lil competition is good, make companies come up w/ a better product...

BTW how about for the xA...they're scions too u know :o

PEACE

 

agreed 100% michoku

this thread is weak and double weak even, although not nearly as bad as the AEM/Injen thread ;)

but now everyone knows the new pricing of the SPFR box,, and now they have a choice with this other enclosure - that's not weak

i think Jon has a patent pending for the xB rear sub enclosure, *i think* and if that's true, then he has a right to be mad, and a right to take action even. if he slacked off and didn't get one, than that's his fault and there's not much he can do about it.

- Brian

 

brian: what i'm trying to say is that there is nothing to be mad about. for example, i have a friend that i have known for nearly 20 years. he has the patent on the nerf football, specifically the one with the waves / grooves that go the length of the ball.

now, its not who thought of it or invented it first that counts. its who has the patent. so my friend has the patent, and went after companies like mattel and others. if he went to a toy store and found his ball and the company did not pay licenscing, he bought the ball, sent it to his lawyers, and got ready to get paaayyyyed. needless to say, he's got loooong paper!!!

the moral of the story is if your friend has the patent, and finds some one else producing the product...thats a good thing!!! get it?