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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 01:15 AM
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Why don't you try it with a spare fuse and tell us what happens but it can't be that simple when people are spending upwards of 200$ to retrofit a DRL at the toyota dealer here in Canada.
I think it would depend on your level of experience with cars, particularly auto electronics.

I just spent 250$ to have mine installed on friday. Well worth it since the last thing I want to do is take the lower dash panels off and start messin around with wires.

My only gripe is that my DRL's are the headlights on full instead of 60%, but no biggie, it'll pass inspection.
They raped your **** off!!! I paid $50 at a US Scion dealer in Buffalo. Works great with 60% DRL.
Old Nov 6, 2007 | 01:26 AM
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Cobb,
what fuse panel and could you take a pic of what your looking at. if its only a fuse to get it to operate that would be cool.
Old Nov 6, 2007 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hammer008
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Why don't you try it with a spare fuse and tell us what happens but it can't be that simple when people are spending upwards of 200$ to retrofit a DRL at the toyota dealer here in Canada.
I think it would depend on your level of experience with cars, particularly auto electronics.

I just spent 250$ to have mine installed on friday. Well worth it since the last thing I want to do is take the lower dash panels off and start messin around with wires.

My only gripe is that my DRL's are the headlights on full instead of 60%, but no biggie, it'll pass inspection.
They raped your **** off!!! I paid $50 at a US Scion dealer in Buffalo. Works great with 60% DRL.
Well, considering we don't have Scion dealerships in Canada, we don't have the main option. 125$ for the module and just over an hours' labor to install. Having shopped around, that's about as good as it was going to get. Besides, they did an excellent job. Can't even tell anything was done.
Old Nov 6, 2007 | 02:06 AM
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You sure you want to know.? Here are the Cdn specs, in mind-numbing detail:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations..._Running_Lamps
What a mindbender. I am in US, just want to have DRL's. It only takes a $3 relay to light up low beams when the ignition is ON. An extra resistor to lower the output to less than 100%. Thats the basics. Reading the official regulations only confused me with how DRL's have to work with all the other stuff.
Unfortunately, adding fuses will not do the trick.
Old Nov 10, 2007 | 02:39 AM
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Sorry guys, its not drls, just dl. It already had a white fuse in it, bit the angle I was looking I did not see it.

I have two amber led truck clearance lights with 3 inch ruber mounts that need a 3 inch hole and wired up. I am tempted to go that route, just got to find a new spot to drill the holes and hook to the acc fuse for power. I was going to put them in the fog light blanks, but I have fog lights in those slots and the blanks in my shelving.

The drl turn signal module I was looking at was from a company in GA for 100 bucks, they never wrote me about my installation question.

BOsch use to sell tons of after market drl relay kits years ago. Havent seen them since.
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I know I have DRL installed by dealer...now I want to remove it. Anyone know how to remove DRL?
Old Nov 11, 2007 | 04:34 AM
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The USA dealer I bought my Scion from would not install DRL on my car. Canadian Tire quoted me 200 or 300 to do it and it was just a relay not a module. The other mechanic I found quoted me 90 bucks for a relay DRL job.
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Originally Posted by mitcheroo
The USA dealer I bought my Scion from would not install DRL on my car. Canadian Tire quoted me 200 or 300 to do it and it was just a relay not a module. The other mechanic I found quoted me 90 bucks for a relay DRL job.
Well, while 90$ is a helluva deal, just make sure whatever is done will pass the inspection. I'm still waiting for my form from the RIV so I can go to CanTire for the inspection. On the import guidelines I have, it says not to make any modifications until I get From 2 from the RIV, which is, from what I assume, so the place I toook it to can put their info down on it. So do be sure that this mechanic you found is legit.

Oh, and Toyota here in Calgary wouldn't install the DRL's either. They sent me to a place nearby that does auto accessories.
Old Nov 14, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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If they do the same as my local store, Cdn Tire uses a standard negative switched DRL module, which runs the high beams at 100% brightness. This isn't ideal, but at least you know it will pass inspection, because they do the inspection as well. Oddly, my Cdn Tire also sells a module, but it isn't the one they use to do the conversion. I guess the one they use is a jobber version.

Like my original post says, this is not a complex job, if you can get the right Hamsar module, and read wiring diagrams. If you can't do it yourself, another option would be to get the module, and take it along with the diagrams to a shop and get them to do it.

FYI, although the difference between 60% and 100% power to the highbeams doesn't sound like much, I can see (from the tach) and hear the engine load increase as soon as I drop my handbrake, even at 60% - so DRLs do increase load on the engine. I want to minimize that as much as possible.
Old Nov 15, 2007 | 03:51 AM
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The mechanic is licensed to do provincial inspections which I will also need here in BC to get the car registered and insured. Try to get the form 2 emailed or faxed to you. Get Canadian Tire to fax the form in right after they do the work and if you are lucky it will get faxed back the same day, even right to Canadaian Tire as you wait??
Old Nov 15, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mitcheroo
The mechanic is licensed to do provincial inspections which I will also need here in BC to get the car registered and insured. Try to get the form 2 emailed or faxed to you. Get Canadian Tire to fax the form in right after they do the work and if you are lucky it will get faxed back the same day, even right to Canadaian Tire as you wait??
Well today is day 10 of 10 I'm supposed to wait to get this ____in Form2. Seriously, this day in modern technology and I still have to wait 10 business days(over 2 weeks) to get it...unbelievable.
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 05:31 AM
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Did you ask Riv to e-mail you the form 2? I understand that is quicker. I have not done it yet as the US border services did not receive the faxes my dealer in the states sent a week ago. However I have already faxed in my recall letter to RIV and that cleared so hopefully when I cross the border and pay my fee it won't take too long to get the form 2. I hope you get yours soon.
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mitcheroo
Did you ask Riv to e-mail you the form 2? I understand that is quicker. I have not done it yet as the US border services did not receive the faxes my dealer in the states sent a week ago. However I have already faxed in my recall letter to RIV and that cleared so hopefully when I cross the border and pay my fee it won't take too long to get the form 2. I hope you get yours soon.
____ING HELL! I call them today and it turns out they were waiting for me to call them so they could tell me my Xb was a Junk, which I assume is the same as Salvage, WHICH I ALREADY KNEW BECAUSE IT CAME WITH THE SALVAGE TITLE! WHAT THE ____ RIV?????
Like they couldn't have gotten ahold of me 2 weeks ago!
Anyway, i'm gettin it inspected this afternoon. Hopefully all goes well.
Old Nov 20, 2007 | 03:00 AM
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Default DLRs annoying beep & interior always ON!

I just had DLRs installed on my xb. Turn the ignition off and there is an annoying beep. Also entire dash including speedometer stays lit up now, so it is easier to forget at night that your lights are not on!! Seems unsafe.

Is this standard? I have never had either thing on any of my DLR cars.

If this is not standard for aftermarket DLRs, I'm very annoyed that Cdn Tire did not tell me that there are various ways of doing this, and they would do it in the most annoying and unsafe manner.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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This is not how my DRLs work: no beep, and no dash lights. I think they have screwed up and hooked into the wrong wire. Question: when your DRLs are on, can you tell if it is your high-beams or your low-beams? Try turning your lights on while running with handbrake off. If there is no difference, all Cdn Tire has done is wired your regular lights to come on.

Anyone else with a Cdn Tire DRL install who can comment?
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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This set up does not seem well done to me. Time to exercise your consumer rights, buzzing noise does not cut it.

I notice you are BBY, Burnaby I assume. Which Cdn Tire did you go to so I can avoid it for my federal inspection?

Thanks
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 05:33 AM
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and if the dash lights stay on all the time that will kill your battery if you don't drive your car for few days. Sounds like a hack job to me.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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I really appreciate the replies. I'm really p*d off. The time and stress involved is going to cost me more than the DLR setup.

To clarify a couple of points. The dash lights are all on while DLRs are on, so while car is running and a few seconds after shut off. After shutting off ignition, the dash lights stay on for about 5-10 seconds. So if I shut off the engine it is silent but as soon as I open my door there is a constant warning beep/tone that your lights are on for a few seconds annoying and loud.

There is also a MAJOR safety issue in my mind when it comes to the dash lights staying on all the time while car is running. Normally, at dusk you can't see your instrumentation so you remember to turn your lights on. HOwever, with this set up, at dusk your instrumentation remains bright. If one forgets to turn the lights on and there is an accident, Canadian Tire will likely be named in any lawsuit.

Before I PM which one, to their credit when I dealt with the guys, they were refreshingly professional, courteous and excellent in their customer service. When I called them afterward, they initially said something about the relay working this way and that's the correct setup.

However, they also told me to come in and see them. So I'll be doing that, but wanted to be armed with some knowledge. I'm not convinced they will be doing much about it.

Keep in mind that the guys I dealt with at the counter were great. However, that does not help if someone is injured or dead and the store is being sued.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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I should add that the set up is so just the parking lights (amber) go on as DLRs. I have to check but I thought the tail lights also go on.

I did not ask for this, but am OK with it. It might have been wise for them to advise the customer in advance however.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bby
I should add that the set up is so just the parking lights (amber) go on as DLRs. I have to check but I thought the tail lights also go on.

I did not ask for this, but am OK with it. It might have been wise for them to advise the customer in advance however.
jeezus, somebody screwed up that job. All DRL's should be doing is turning your headlights on as soon as your turn the car on, that's it. Your gauges shouldn't be on until you flick the handle to the 2nd position, the same position that would turn your park lights on.

You should go back and have them do it the way you want. That's total bull____.



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