Ooops. Wider stock sized 15 wheels in seven inch size rather than the stock 6.5 inch (?) size.
Did that make sense? :?

Al.Truistic
aB

 

how much can you adjust the camber with Van's plates? are they adjustable?

 

The rear is a "fixed" degree of camber. Now sure about the fronts yet. Van?


Peace,
m@

 

are u going to sell the camber plates if so can u change the dergree?

 

Maybe if Van gets enough interest, he'd consider it. I don't want to speak for him though. I'm not sure about adjustability for the front, but the rears are non-adjustable. They would need to be machined to your desired degree.

By Japanese VIP standards -4 degrees might be a bit on the conservative side, but I'm pretty happy with it so far. (BTW... We checked the tire wear over the weekend and it's looking good!) If you want to see some crazy camber, check out the bB's done up by Garson (With the Black Mafia decals on the sides) Now *THAT* is crazy!


Peace,
m@

 

IMO, the negative camber is awesome. Looks pretty badass. VIP style is super super clean. I might consider thinking about getting a set.

 

Ride looks great M@.

 

The camber plates are non-adjustable, so you usually get one specifically for whatever degree of camber you want. It seems the most commonly-available degrees most people get for bBs and the like are 3deg and 5deg, so that's why I decided to try the happy medium in between the two, at 4deg. They can be used with any wheel setup, and as far as clearance is concerned, they can only help (although I have yet to consider what would happen if you had really high offset, Honda-ish wheels, as cambering those might actually allow them to touch the shock body...I'll have to look into that later, although there's really no need to camber if you've got high offset wheels anyway!).

Alfred: Camber really is only a mistake when it's accompanied by a bad toe condition. As mentioned in a previous post, as long as your toe is basically close to 0, camber alone does not kill your tires any quicker than having no camber. It would also be kinda cool to have on those Nezarts..! :)

Na'im: Toufic mentioned it... but basically, there will be things to look out for when you're really low! I moved those prototype subframe brace and rear chassis brace parts over to my friend's car (the one that's down about ~ 4") and the braces are now goners. The front piece is bashed to death, and the rear piece has lost its coating, all from making contact with speedbumps and the like. Granted, no one else will probably ever want to go THAT low on a daily driver, but it's something to remember before you crank those coilovers way down! Speaking of which, coilover design is moving fwd again thankfully...

Ken: can you do us all a favor actually, and measure how much toe you have on the rear suspension at maybe... 2" down, 2.5" down, and 3" down? Using those numbers coupled with the stock specs, we can draw a graph to determine the toe change curve as the suspension compresses.

As for the plates again, they will definitely be made. I've got the design in autocad and will see about costs for production and such soon. I've just been really slow with trying to wrap things up at Piercey Scion, while still looking for shop space for One Ton Garage, and just juggling everything else in between. Soon though...!!

 

NEGATIVE CAMBER IS ONLY FOR REAR WHEEL DRIVE DRIFTERS!!!!!!!!! u are honestly not helping yourself by putting negative camber on a front wheel drive.

 

"...bad toe condition..." ha ha ha...pretty funny, Van!

Anyways, I'm starting to see the whole camber thing in a new light so, major props to you and M@! Will you be designing not so extreme camber plates for that subtle VIP look? Maybe then I will be in the mood for bigger spacers as well !

Oh and yeah, I think a bit of camber would look pretty cool on my Nezarts, too!

Al.Truistic
aB

 

van: thanks for the heads up and update. i dont really think i would drive that low on a daily basis, but would like the ability to go there if possible. just really looking for something along the lines of cusco's drop maybe...3+ inches or so. but i'd like to wait on your system. did you mean matt? because i asked him to "harrass" you about the coilovers

cant wait till one ton is open for business.

 

n-e up dates????

 

If it helps motivate you, put us down for a couple sets at 4 degrees! Just let me know when you have them ready... we'll be waiting for new wheels on Boxzila until they're ready!

-Phil and Vicki

 

M@,

how much clearance did you have in the back with those 17x9 b/f camber. i just found the wheels i want and they are avail. in 17x8.5 or 18x9.5 and i was wondering if i could fit the 18x9.5 but if not i would settle for the 17x8.5
with the camber and fenders rolled in rear will the 18x9.5 fit? how much clearance would i have b/w wheels and anything that would rub? how much would i be able to drop it? and what offset would you go with?

VAN,

i would like to get those camber kits for both front and rear. pm or e-mail me with the price for both.

 

i saw M@'s car for the first time with the sun out.... that camber is Sick!! talk about some deep dish wheels

 

you know... its the one thing i am having a hard time figuring out...

whether to go us style with some huge ___ boat anchors on every corner.. ie 19s and some 18s or if i should do a cool ___ jdm or even euro look with some 16s or 17s in a 2 or 3 pc rim with a wide ___ lip and maybe even stagger the width up front to back. but i know if i go with 16s or 17s i am going ot have to go LOW to make it look right.

hmmm!! i need to see some picks for 16s and 17s that are wide on the xb :twisted:


but regardless, i'm feeling the camber!!!

 

What are the offset specs?

I didn't have much clearance at all. If I remember correctly, you could barely wedge a finger in and if you did, it would be at an angle. The -4 degrees of camber has helped, but the biggest help in reducing rub so far has been the rear fender rolling that Van did. I can't begin to tell you how much that has improved the ride and reduced the rubbing.

I would guess that (without any work) you would definitely have rubbing issues with an 18x9.5 wheel. I know things can be done to make it fit though. If you look at the specs for the bB on Fabulous' website, http://www.fabulous.co.jp/domestic_car/toyota/bb.html you'll notice that it has a wheel fitment of:

Front: 18x8.5 +18mm offset
Rear: 18x9.5 +18mm offset

Tires in front and rear are 225/35/18

It's almost guarenteed that the rear (and front) fenders are rolled, not to mention the negative camber and stretched tires are also a factor as well. I can't remember what the suspension specs are, but I know it's a coilover setup that's at least -1.5" down from stock height. Hope this helps!

Peace,
m@

 

M@,

i can get these wheels in a number of offsets ranging from 16-40mm. i was thinking about going 18x9.5 with 16mm offset in back and 18x8.5 with 25mm offset in front.
do you think the front will stick out from under the fender well? do you think the 18x9.5 with 16mm offset in back will work out fine, with maybe a need for a spacer and fender rolling?

bryan

 

with 18x8.5 +25 for front...it will sticks out a little bit...
as for the rear, if u get 18x9.5 +16 u dont need spacer...
if u really like the JDM look, think about some camber like matt...

 

Bryan,

Regarding the front:

If I had to guess, I would say that 18x8.5 +25mm offset in the front will be really close. I personally haven't seen front wheels with these exact specs on an xB, so I can't give you a solid answer.

Regarding the rear:

18x9.5 +16mm offset shouldn't require a spacer at all. If you plan on the "cam" look in the rear, the camber shim will sorta act as a spacer. Definitely plan on rolling your rear fenders though. (Regardless of whether you have negative camber or not... and unless you use a heat gun, be prepared for the paint inside the fender to chip/crack. Par for the course!)

I highly recommend you check out the pics of the fabulous bB (link is in my post above) The wheel specs seem pretty close to what you seem to be going for.

Peace,
m@