That's what that "Rain Drain" pump is for. They all come with them. It pumps the water out the back like a boat when the engine bay starts to take on water.

 

You are in denial!

Where do you think the STi gets the water for the IntArk00ler from??!!1 You have to wait for it to rain or until you wash the car to fill up the sprayer tank.

(just kidding!!!)

 

lol, listen to what ketchup and BrysImpreza say. There is absolutely no way that air from a hood scoop will create enough lift to cause hydroplaning. Please, for the sake of car enthusiasts everywhere, take a physics class and think before you post.

Hell, for the sake of your dignity, take a physics class and think before you post. I found this post when it was linked in another car forum where everyone was making fun of what you said.

 

So, in theory, if you set up the spoiler on the back so that it too created lift, you could make the car fly.


"Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads"
-Doc

 

..............are you stoned?

 

teh OT laughs at you... all of you...and for the love of god, did your cars come with or without training wheels???


chris

 

I'm not saying the car will be lifted. I was saying it could induce hydroplaning on a already light weight car that has no low center of gravity like a horizontially opposed engined Subaru. The xB weights 2400 Lbs, how much does your all wheeldrive car weigh?

 

Check the curb weight of your Subaru and compare it to a Scion xB. BTW doesnt the Subarus have a horizontially opposed engine thus giving it a much lower center of gravity. Oh yeah, theyre also all wheel drive doesnt that equal much more weight? So if a car weights a lot less it couldn't it be affected by wind? And also aerodynamics? You swear a box on wheels is going to be just as stable as a Subaru when they're both goin on the freeway at 110 MPH, I'm game to test out my stupid idea of a rear facing hood scoop with any Scion with a foward facing scoop in the rain.

 

Umm... I took Honors/AP Physics in High School and I managed to ace it. No I didn't go a a stupid school. I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW IT ALL, IF YOU THINK IM WRONG DONT CALL ME AN IDIOT. EXPLAIN IT TO ME HOW I MAY BE WRONG. I think you are forgetting that were talking about a light as hell box on wheels and they could use as much stability as possible dont you think? I mean Subes got all wheel drive, and hell of a lot more weight to plant its already wider than a scion wheelbase to the ground. just my 2 cents.

 

Is this really the most clever thing you could come up with?

 

Get whatever ____ing hood you want. I was trying to give what advice I thought could help. I figured a box on wheels can't afford any more possible instability when your're going fast. I didn't say you will get more lift definitely, I said its possible to get more lift, and hydroplane easier.

You're comparing a Scion which weighs 2400 LBS, to a Subaru which weighs a ____ load more. Its like comparing comaring Evander Holifield to your 10 year old little brother. A Scion is much taller, lighter and doesnt have a wide stance. And It lacks a horizontially opposed engine to boot, so stock for stock which car would you feel safer in when youre going lets say 75MPH in the rain? Now how about 100 MPh? how about taking turns, in the rain, which one would you want to be in? I know what it feels like to hydroplane in a light weight car. I know what it feels like to have my rear end loose grip in the rain. The question is do you? It will scare the ____ out of you the first time it happens, just as it did to me. I am not some kid who knows jack, I've known how to drive for years, and nothing can prepare you for when you loose control of your car in the rain, and I'm not talking about drifting im talking about unexpected loss of control.

You question weather or not I have any inteligence. I question if you're an ___! So what if I'm totaly wrong? You have no right to make fun of me for being incorrect, espicially when I have atleast some theory to back up my claim. If you believe I am wrong then point my mistake and explain to me why/how I am wrong. BUT NEVER POKE FUN AT SOMEONE FOR SIMPLY BEING WRONG.

 

Kevin,
I think even w/ a 2400 lb car (Xb) would have a very difficult time getting any type of lift from a small forward-facing scoop. The front surface that is open for the grill for engine bay cooling would be putting more air flow under the car than a small scoop would. The best way to minimize air flow under the car would be to seal off the bottom area of the engine bay and then provide vents on the topt (hood) that equal the grill's open area.

This would make the air flow go from grill-->under car to grill-->over car. This would give a lot of down-force.

 

Granted the foward scoop wont cause enough lift, but it will help make matters worse if/when the situation arises. Theres a considerable amount of plastic under the car to do what youre talking about, but still air can go under. Thats why I was saying a reverse scoop along with an open upper grill would work. Air comes in the grill and out the reverse scoop. If you had a ram air scoop and an open grill youre gonna get a lot of air into the engine bay am I right? Isn't is possible to have too much air in the engine bay?

That's what I noticed a lot of drifters at D1 had on their car. Like Immamura's APEXi RX-7, he even V-mounted his intercooler so air comes in the bumper, through the radiator, through the intercooler and out the reverse scoop. It just seems more practical to me, to have a reverse scoop. When air comes through the upper grill and through the reverse scoop the air will come in and will go out the scoop, and will travel over the car instead of under. As little as it is I figure that Scions could use as much downforce as possible.

 

not to add fuel to the fire but.....

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ighlight=scion

 

Really now. I cant beleive im hearing this from someone who claims to be a car enthusiast.

NO, a hood scoop will not provide ANY noticable lift to a car! Go out and pull up on a hoodscoop, and see what happens. Im willing to bet that the hood scoop will rip off or deform before the suspension moves any considerable amount. The WRX STI is a 3200 pound car. Even your 2400 pound scion wouldnt feel any effect from a little hood scoop.

High school physics had ____ ____ all to do with aerodynamics. I know that my high school physics didnt cover it. If you are that worried bout hydroplaning then get a good set of tires, and think logically before you type

 

where the hell have i been for all of this!

damn! i gotta remember from now on to not put my hand out the window when it's raining.. i might cause a side updraft on the left side of my car and it might ROLL!!!

seriously people.. to create LIFT, you'd see your suspension LIFT at speed. i think there's enough force slamming into that gigantic ugly ____ing nose you have to keep you at low enough of a speed as it is.

do you know how much downforce a WING creates? yes, a huge freakin aluminum wing..

at most, 50 lbs..

now take that surface area and try to translate it into a fractional cross section of aNY size of hood scoop you may encounter (remember, the air slamming into your bumper and fugly ___ grille will be pushed straight upwards, blocking most airflow you think would be hitting your hood)

let's say you have half the area.. (ain't gonna happen) so that's 25 lbs of upforce..

the difference between carrying your groceries..

but wait, there's more...

that 25lbs of "upforce" no longer has a nice 45degree angle to act apon.. your wing is a nice smooth angled surface for the air to hit, right?

now you're forcing 1/8th the air allowed to act on your aluminum wing into .. and it's blowing through a tiny slit and into a large area..

picture this.. c'mon people, use common sense..

if i were to take an air hose.. and a 55 gallon drum with the top cut off.. and i were to stand the barrel upside down..

then poke a hole in the bottom (now top) of the barrel and stick an air hose in it and turn it on..

what happens?

does the barrel float?

no, the miniscule amount of air pushed into the barrel by the hose is dissipated around the edges of the barrel, and NOTHING happens..

now, sit on the barrel.. does the barrel float now?

no.. it blows bubbles on the edges.

and that's on a sealed surface..

now, put the barrel on a pallet, and weigh it. it weighs let's say 80 lbs with the pallet..

turn on the air while the barrel is sitting on the pallet.. what does it weigh? less?

learn some freakin basic common sense, THEN post..

makes me want to sell my scion.. and someone wanted to make this a STICKY thread?

OMFG

 

Wow I can not believe how many hot headed people are ont his board. I am not saying bB384 is right or that he is wrong, but I will say that what he is saying is meant to prevent some type of accident that may happen once, possibly twice, but that could have been prevented. What I will also say is that his alternative suggestion, air flow through the lower grill with a rear facing scoop for venting, makes much more sense on a car that isn't going to have a tremendous ammount of flow over the hood anyway. Why jump his bones for trying to help a few people out. Before you start flaming him stop and think about how much more useful his suggestion about how the scoop should be set up is than the forward facing one and quit worrying about whether or not he is right about lifting the car.

Also CivicEater, you are comparing downforce on the back of the vehicle with lift on the front. On a front-wheel drive vehicle. This doesn't make much sense. If you were to put a huge wing on the back and add lift to the front that just increases your chances of the front wheels losing a tiny bit of traction that they need in order to steer AND drive. Also, don't think you will be making friends on this board by dissing the xB, most of us here like all the Scion models, even if we only own one of them.

 

Consmadulations, you missed the point.

CivicEater was comparing the active downforce area of a wing "huge ___ aluminum ricer wing" to that of the possible downforce or lift rather that the hoodscoop could create.
In no way was he suggesting a wing.

 

when did weight start to reduce the effect of "aerodynamics"??
it's not as iff your scion is going to blow off the road..

 

and all this time I've been trying to lighten the car...and for what? I could have easily just increased the size of my hood scoop and mounted fans in the front of it for instant lift and weight reduction.