hypermiling RPM experiment
Originally Posted by stew32
Originally Posted by drbaillie
I'm tempted to pick up a ScanGauge for that instant-gratification but I'm curious: how exactly does it determine mpg? What's it measuring for fuel consumption, is this fed from the engine management system? For those that have one, how does it compare to the pen-and-paper calculations based on fill-up volume and mileage (given the known 3% variance in odo reading, etc. etc.)?
Anyway, I say get one! I got mine just because the xB lacks gauges.
Basically yes it gets all the data it needs from the ECU and takes the engine size and speed correction you input into consideration from there Linear-Logic has its own proprietary algorithm to add it all together.
As for saving the corrections you make it does… but only to the extent that you don’t change them meaning that you can’t have it set up for car 1 and a 2nd for car 2.
It is easier than the pen and paper in that all the data is there, display and ready to go! Most people forget and or don’t want to add it together plus you get current trip, totals for the day, totals for the tank and totals for yesterday not to mention the digital gauges. Only downside is that it is not yet to the point that all the data is logged so unless you manually record min and max’s they will be overwritten.
Originally Posted by WhoKilledTheJAMs
Originally Posted by emximer
I'm pretty sure keeping the RPMs lower will help your MPG a little, I always shift around 2.5k and I get 39MPG in a rural, hilly area
I really need to get a Scangauge.
i generally get around 32-35mpg regardless of my driving habits.
also, do know that if you are to down shift and use the engine/tranny to help slow the vehicle, you are now in fuel cut mod. when the engine see's reverted forces on it EI down shifting and using it as a slight break, the ECU cuts fuel to the engine and the sound you are hearing is just air being compressed out the exhaust. so if you want to see some improvements and have a manual tranny, down shift and engine break your self and put your self into fuel cut mod and use no gas/no energy to slow down and ultimately save cash on your break pads. remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
also, do know that if you are to down shift and use the engine/tranny to help slow the vehicle, you are now in fuel cut mod. when the engine see's reverted forces on it EI down shifting and using it as a slight break, the ECU cuts fuel to the engine and the sound you are hearing is just air being compressed out the exhaust. so if you want to see some improvements and have a manual tranny, down shift and engine break your self and put your self into fuel cut mod and use no gas/no energy to slow down and ultimately save cash on your break pads. remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
Originally Posted by Winter
remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
Please advise further.
Originally Posted by Winter
i generally get around 32-35mpg regardless of my driving habits.
also, do know that if you are to down shift and use the engine/tranny to help slow the vehicle, you are now in fuel cut mod. when the engine see's reverted forces on it EI down shifting and using it as a slight break, the ECU cuts fuel to the engine and the sound you are hearing is just air being compressed out the exhaust. so if you want to see some improvements and have a manual tranny, down shift and engine break your self and put your self into fuel cut mod and use no gas/no energy to slow down and ultimately save cash on your break pads. remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
also, do know that if you are to down shift and use the engine/tranny to help slow the vehicle, you are now in fuel cut mod. when the engine see's reverted forces on it EI down shifting and using it as a slight break, the ECU cuts fuel to the engine and the sound you are hearing is just air being compressed out the exhaust. so if you want to see some improvements and have a manual tranny, down shift and engine break your self and put your self into fuel cut mod and use no gas/no energy to slow down and ultimately save cash on your break pads. remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
The drive train is for . . . driving. The brakes are for . . . braking.
Originally Posted by pooder
Originally Posted by Winter
i generally get around 32-35mpg regardless of my driving habits.
also, do know that if you are to down shift and use the engine/tranny to help slow the vehicle, you are now in fuel cut mod. when the engine see's reverted forces on it EI down shifting and using it as a slight break, the ECU cuts fuel to the engine and the sound you are hearing is just air being compressed out the exhaust. so if you want to see some improvements and have a manual tranny, down shift and engine break your self and put your self into fuel cut mod and use no gas/no energy to slow down and ultimately save cash on your break pads. remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
also, do know that if you are to down shift and use the engine/tranny to help slow the vehicle, you are now in fuel cut mod. when the engine see's reverted forces on it EI down shifting and using it as a slight break, the ECU cuts fuel to the engine and the sound you are hearing is just air being compressed out the exhaust. so if you want to see some improvements and have a manual tranny, down shift and engine break your self and put your self into fuel cut mod and use no gas/no energy to slow down and ultimately save cash on your break pads. remember to rev match before letting the clutch back in so prevent extra clutch wear and to prevent "un-experienced honda down shifting".
The drive train is for . . . driving. The brakes are for . . . braking.
only time i've ever had a problem with it was on the xB and that was because someone at the factory didn't give the tranny it's full 1.9-2 quarts of oil, it was more like 1.1-1.2 quarts and caused grinding issues. now that i've replaced the factory oil with new oil and the right amount of it, hasn't happened since.
EDIT: also, if i were to pull into neutral while costing and something were to jump into my way and i needed the power of my engine for any reason at all and i didn't have enough time to be an idiot and slam on my brakes... what then? when keeping your gears and engine braking you have a much higher reflex capability to get out of your problem quickly with the most control over your vehicle. keeping your engine in it's power band will keep you with control of the vehicle. if a tire pops, what do you do? you DON'T slam on your brakes, bad idea... you throw it into a semi-high gear, say one below what you were cruising at and slowly engine brake your self to the side of the road safely. what happens when some idiot runs a stop sign or red light and it's too close to hit the brakes? you turn in the opposite direction that the other car is traveling and use your engine braking as a way of keeping control of the vehicle and THEN slowly use your brakes to stop and make sure the other driver didn't wreck them selfs. for the highest control of your vehicle, engine braking is key to both control of the vehicle and your surroundings.
Originally Posted by pooder
Originally Posted by Winter
race cars do it all the time aswell
Nevermind.
Originally Posted by Winter
i was using that as an example, not as a reason why to do it. please look up and read the edited addon.
ok, so engine braking, which CUTS ALL FUEL use off during given time of engine braking... has nothing to do with a thread about saving fuel?
funny... i thought not using any fuel to begin with was saving fuel...
funny... i thought not using any fuel to begin with was saving fuel...
Originally Posted by Winter
ok, so engine braking, which CUTS ALL FUEL use off during given time of engine braking... has nothing to do with a thread about saving fuel?
funny... i thought not using any fuel to begin with was saving fuel...
funny... i thought not using any fuel to begin with was saving fuel...
(Gotta love shouting in ALL CAPS ;^)
keeping gear forces to the engine, fuel cut mode comes in during this time which cuts off fuel supply to the engine period until the negative force is taken off the engine or when engine speed *rpm* starts to get close to the programed idle point.
fuel cut mode means no fuel... none, zilch, nothing, z-e-r-o fuel being used during that time. it's the difference between used fuel in order to keep an idle and forced engine speed done through the drivetrain and the physical traveling speed of the vehicle. without fuel cut there would be ridiculous amounts of unnecessary fuel consumption during forced negative movement.
here's a good example for you. next time you are out on the freeway and going down a hill that would normally require a bit of braking to keep your speed at a level that doesn't catch the attention of cops, use your 5th gear as your braking system and to keep at a specific speed, don't use any throttle at all and only use the brakes unless you have to slow your self a little more then what the engine can provide. during that entire time, you wont be using any fuel what so ever where as if you were to go into neutral and use your brakes, not only are you using fuel to keep engine idle AND to rev match back up to engine speed to match with your cruising gear, you are are putting more wear and tear on your brakes pads as well. as weak as the transmission is *C50*, it IS strong enough to do such a simple task. it's only weak when it comes to power and shear performance abuse. every day driving wont hurt it at all, it's Toyota for crying out loud... common!
fuel cut mode means no fuel... none, zilch, nothing, z-e-r-o fuel being used during that time. it's the difference between used fuel in order to keep an idle and forced engine speed done through the drivetrain and the physical traveling speed of the vehicle. without fuel cut there would be ridiculous amounts of unnecessary fuel consumption during forced negative movement.
here's a good example for you. next time you are out on the freeway and going down a hill that would normally require a bit of braking to keep your speed at a level that doesn't catch the attention of cops, use your 5th gear as your braking system and to keep at a specific speed, don't use any throttle at all and only use the brakes unless you have to slow your self a little more then what the engine can provide. during that entire time, you wont be using any fuel what so ever where as if you were to go into neutral and use your brakes, not only are you using fuel to keep engine idle AND to rev match back up to engine speed to match with your cruising gear, you are are putting more wear and tear on your brakes pads as well. as weak as the transmission is *C50*, it IS strong enough to do such a simple task. it's only weak when it comes to power and shear performance abuse. every day driving wont hurt it at all, it's Toyota for crying out loud... common!
Originally Posted by pooder
...If your goal is to get better mileage, keeping the car in high gear will result in better mileage than downshifting. Braking with the brakes is also better on the car than braking with the drive train....
And as said previously (I think..I read fast), brakes are cheaper than anything in your trans.
And breaks are for work, not cars.






