My '95 TBird was supposed to get 17/24. After modding it, it's more like 12-14 city, 21 highway. Of course, it has much more power now than stock, but I pay for it at the pump! 21MPG would be incredible!

I bought it on 9-19-95 with .6 miles on it, just off the delivery truck (had to help them take the plastic sheeting off of it and clean the grease marker writing off of the windshield to test drive it). Other than routine maintenance, nothing major and it now has 124,000 miles on it. This is the 3rd TBird I've owned in my life. Obviously, I have no problem with owning a Ford vehicle. :D

I'd still love a xB,. Wish I could buy 2 vehicles!

 

Thats just crazy that they would lowball so much on your trade Most dealers would love to have an xB on their used lot to increase foot traffic. They really shouldn't try to compare apples and oranges but if it works for them they will, unfortunatly do so.
I love Fords though. I'm on my second van that I use for a living and the first one (95' E250 5.8 windsor mtr.) went 500,00 miles without ever opening up the motor. That must mean something in my book!

 

That guy must be a Mazda sales rep.

 

What guy?

 

Well, I'm not going to get into it because we all "like what we like". I don't like the Matrix, Car and Driver doesn't like the Matrix, and given that the sales have fallen fart short of projections, the public in general doesn't like the Matrix, because they have voted against it with their wallets.

If you like it, you shouldn't care what the he|| anyone else has to say about it.

And I'm not the one comparing the xB to the Matrix. I never did. Because "power" and "handling" are all relative. My Box handles pretty good for being powered at the wrong end - but it doesn't handle as well as my other WWD car (MINI Cooper) did. And neither of them handle as well as my e30 or my Miata. The Matrix, for all it's sporting intentions, doesn't handle as well as it should when compared to other cars in its class.

As for comparing the 2zz engine when stuffed into a >2700 lb station wagon (Matrix) vs. stuffed into a <2000 lb sports car (Elise), well the comparison is just ludicrous as well. A car that has 700+ fewer lbs to carry around doesn't need torque. A station wagon does, especially when it is being whipped by Buick LeSabre (to use the Car and Driver analogy). I'm not even going to discuss why a 1.5L engine in an econobox is a riduculous comparison to a "sports" car engine in a station wagon. If you need that explained to you, then you really don't get it.

But that's just my opinion. And the opinion of some respected automotive journalists. And the opinion of the public, in general. But it doesn't make any of our opinions "right" anymore than it makes your opinion "wrong".

I'm just not a brand ****** who thinks that every manufacturer (*cough* *cough* TOYOTA! *cough* cough*) hits a home run with every car. I'll be the first to acknowledge that the xB isn't perfect. It may not even be a home run, but it's at least a double that drives a run home.

The Matrix and the Echo are strike-outs, if we are keeping score.

 

[quote="B3ND3R"][quote="RedMatrixXRS"]i'm not even gonna go on. especially from someone who owns an xB and says the 2zz runs out of steam too quick. it's like me saying a LS1 has no torque.

the matrix and the elise are not the only ones who have the 2zz. i also mentioned the xrs corolla and gt-s which is only 2-300 lbs less than a matrix if you read my post.

BTW, if car and driver and driver don't like it, does that mean i shouldn't. do you also believe their performance stats too?

 

HI JACKERS!!!

I thought we were talking about Mazda vs xB??

And why they are comparing the two!! Come on...

Yeah our friend has a Matrix and doesn't like it bc now at 100000 miles it doesnt' run....now he also has an xB. OK there...

matter of opinion drive what YOU like not what someone else likes...

Come on boys....

 

yeah and i know a few celica owners who have well over 100k and still runs like a champ on the street and strip. same motors.

your one friend vs the thousands of owners who own a 1zz or 2zz.

http://matrixowners.com/forums/index...opic=45633&hl=

 

RedMatrix, calm down. No need to jump all over her.

The way I look at it, there was no reason to. She was merely stating, that its YOUR car, and YOU like it and thats all that matters.

 

Sheesh a little "defensive" aren't you??

I was just stating that we could ALL probably say something but WHO CARES, well except YOU!

This is about MAZDA and SCION....didn't notice MATRIX in the mix....


If you want me to get technical.... The Matrix is UGLY and runs like crapola!!! From day one....but like I said who cares what I think or anyone else....drive what you like....You shouldn't have to DEFEND what YOU like!!!


Thanks Kurenai!


I dont want to debate Matrix bc its not a car on my I LIKE I WANT LIST!

 

^^^Well Said^^^^^^

 

W3rd.

I only brought it up for comparison, not to turn this into a "my Matrix is better than all your cars" thread.

 

you made one hell of a comprarison. read your first post. it wasn't a comparison. just a bash.

LVScionGal, if the matrix runs like "crapola", then would it mean that the, celica, corolla, and lotus elise run like "crapola" also since they share the same motor, 1zz and 2zz?

i'm not getting defensive. this is just a thread that lead to a different discussion. i'm not offended, just trying to get to the basis of your opinions.

we are all toyota owners.

anybody read the posted link?[/quote]

 

 

I saw a Mazda5 tonight on the strip...OMG! They have great VIP potential! lol

I LOVE my xB but I haven't really seen another automobile I like until I saw M5! Life is so hard!!! lol

But I think one of two things...stick with my TCM or buy a new box!

But no one really told me WHY Mazda compares its MINI VAN *cough* Multi Activity Vehicle *cough* to the xB! I mean that is ridiculous isn't it??

What do you expect to get when the sticker is 21,000+ you're darn right you better get more than a Scion offers! DUH!!!

 

Very well put^^^^