Okay, finally- My comparision: xB -vs- Mini Cooper
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Originally Posted by dgboggs
I am totally happy with this car. It beats the Scion quite a bit. Even the base model is impressive.
I'm glad you have the mini and are happy with it. However, you can't compare it on equal terms with the xB.
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So much mis-information and ignorance in some cases with this post.
First off you can't compare the two cars equally... they have very different purposes.
The mini starts at $17K, so its in the ball park and canb be considered by many shopping for a car in the xB price range.
The mini has lots of space for TALL people! Thats the first thing you notice when you get on one.. the leg and headroom are amazing! for the front passengers... the rear is small for legroom and the storage is minimal.
The mini is a blast to drive.. the handling on this car is amazing... it handles like a go-kart.. It has first rate in handling and it doesnt behave like a typical FWD car... It can corner with the best out there.
The weight is about the same as the Scion... A little less... but the mini is built like a tank where the scion is tinny..
The xB is a great economical car with lots of useable space and unique looks.... The mini is econmoical with amazing handling abilities... but lacks the practical space for more than 2 people and cargo room
First off you can't compare the two cars equally... they have very different purposes.
The mini starts at $17K, so its in the ball park and canb be considered by many shopping for a car in the xB price range.
The mini has lots of space for TALL people! Thats the first thing you notice when you get on one.. the leg and headroom are amazing! for the front passengers... the rear is small for legroom and the storage is minimal.
The mini is a blast to drive.. the handling on this car is amazing... it handles like a go-kart.. It has first rate in handling and it doesnt behave like a typical FWD car... It can corner with the best out there.
The weight is about the same as the Scion... A little less... but the mini is built like a tank where the scion is tinny..
The xB is a great economical car with lots of useable space and unique looks.... The mini is econmoical with amazing handling abilities... but lacks the practical space for more than 2 people and cargo room
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Both my GF and I test drove the Mini and the XB. We liked the Mini for the, fun car drivability, hipster image (ala Austin Powers) etc. But 1 point more than any other drove us (pun intended) to the XB. RELIABILITY
Consumer Reports rated the 2005 Mini a 4 out of 5 in reliability with 5 having the higher repair record and 1 the lowest 1. Road and Track also found reliability issues on the Mini.
The XB is on the opposite end of that scale – Reports are the xB is one of the most reliable cars on the road – true to the Toyota reputation.
The anecdotal feed back I am still getting from mini owners at work (4 mini owners) matches the Consumer Report’s and Road and Track opinion of a poor repair record - They had numerous problems and a number of repetitive electronic problems that keep them bringing the car back for "free" service (free if your time is free).
Both are fine autos and tickle their owners in different places. I Like the mini but felt the manufacturer could deliver a car that was less problematic to its owners. To generalize unfairly - Japan and Toyota in particular have set the industry standard for auto reliability. England’s record of auto reliability (Rover, Jaguar etc) are sadly at the bottom of the ratings of Consumer Reports .They do have good image marketing and styling that sells cars. But not owner satisfaction. However I do agree, sales figures prove an ounce of image sells as well as a pound of performance.
I smile when I see a Mini and an XB on the road. I know the owners both have attractive fun cars which make a lot more sense than Most of the cars Detroit is marketing. In some cases Both the Mini and the XB will fit one of Detroit’s behemoth monster’s that are driving up fuel demand and prices, and producing more pollution than is necessary.
The Mini was on our list of buy possibilities but GF and I were both spoiled by the great service record of Honda’s we owned and wanted a car that had a repair record at least as good – or better. So far we feel the xB exceeded that expectation. We both bought xB’s.
Consumer Reports rated the 2005 Mini a 4 out of 5 in reliability with 5 having the higher repair record and 1 the lowest 1. Road and Track also found reliability issues on the Mini.
The XB is on the opposite end of that scale – Reports are the xB is one of the most reliable cars on the road – true to the Toyota reputation.
The anecdotal feed back I am still getting from mini owners at work (4 mini owners) matches the Consumer Report’s and Road and Track opinion of a poor repair record - They had numerous problems and a number of repetitive electronic problems that keep them bringing the car back for "free" service (free if your time is free).
Both are fine autos and tickle their owners in different places. I Like the mini but felt the manufacturer could deliver a car that was less problematic to its owners. To generalize unfairly - Japan and Toyota in particular have set the industry standard for auto reliability. England’s record of auto reliability (Rover, Jaguar etc) are sadly at the bottom of the ratings of Consumer Reports .They do have good image marketing and styling that sells cars. But not owner satisfaction. However I do agree, sales figures prove an ounce of image sells as well as a pound of performance.
I smile when I see a Mini and an XB on the road. I know the owners both have attractive fun cars which make a lot more sense than Most of the cars Detroit is marketing. In some cases Both the Mini and the XB will fit one of Detroit’s behemoth monster’s that are driving up fuel demand and prices, and producing more pollution than is necessary.
The Mini was on our list of buy possibilities but GF and I were both spoiled by the great service record of Honda’s we owned and wanted a car that had a repair record at least as good – or better. So far we feel the xB exceeded that expectation. We both bought xB’s.
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The thing that really made me end up dis-liking my xB was when I took it on a road trip. Of all of the cars I've ever had, it felt like a tin can. Yes, the xB is very reliable, and has bold styling. BUT, it is very cheaply put together- the quality just isn't there. It was noisy and awkward on the highway. The cargo space is very very small if you have the back seats up. With the seats down, there is decent space, but not huge. The only advantage the xB has over the Mini in cargo space is the fact that the xB has a square roof line, giving it more air space. The floor space is nearly the same. I actually had a tape with me at the dealer, and had the two cars side by side with hatches open, and the Mini was reasonably close, except for the air space.
I'm getting 28 city/ 33 hwy in the Mini S, which are nearly identical numbers to the xB.
By the time I got my xB fixed up, I had nearly 20k in it, and for 4000.00 more I have a LOT more vehicle in my S.
I actually sold my xB for good money, and then I didn't have a car for almost a month. I was suprised to find that I didn't miss the xB at all. That told me that I made the right decision.
To address space and comfort- the Mini is much more spacious and comfortable than the xB. But, you have to consider the Mini a 2 seater, to be realistic.
I think the xB is a very good car, and I DO recommend it to people when they say they only drive in the city, and want something cheap, reliable, good on gas, and want some cargo space in a hatch configuration. I usually tell them to check out a base model Mini and a loaded xB.
I'm getting 28 city/ 33 hwy in the Mini S, which are nearly identical numbers to the xB.
By the time I got my xB fixed up, I had nearly 20k in it, and for 4000.00 more I have a LOT more vehicle in my S.
I actually sold my xB for good money, and then I didn't have a car for almost a month. I was suprised to find that I didn't miss the xB at all. That told me that I made the right decision.
To address space and comfort- the Mini is much more spacious and comfortable than the xB. But, you have to consider the Mini a 2 seater, to be realistic.
I think the xB is a very good car, and I DO recommend it to people when they say they only drive in the city, and want something cheap, reliable, good on gas, and want some cargo space in a hatch configuration. I usually tell them to check out a base model Mini and a loaded xB.
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I think youre mistaking quality with ride and gearing.
The Xb is geared very low (especially the manuals). This means the engine is running at 3000 rpm at around 62mph or so. Above 3000rpm the engine does get a bit drony.
Also the ride is stiff because they engineered the car with more bias toward good handling than a good ride. Also they don't use much sound dampening (which can be easily remedied).
Quality is what the Xb is all about. The build quality is great, thus the high rankings in Consumer reports.
What it isn't is a great highway traveler. The wheelbase is too short, the gearing is too low and it could use a bit more sound dampening for that.
What it is, is a great comuter as long as your comute doesnt involve long stretches of freeway.
On a side note, the Mini isn't a great car on the highway either. The only real differance between the two on the highway is the Mini has better sound dampening. It's also geared slightly taller in 5th but not enough to be meaningful.
I think the 2 cars are both great. The Xb has more room and better durability. The Mini has slot car handling and a bit more luxury. If Toyota had a Xb S, with a supercharger and a sunroof, I'd be on it like white on rice!
The Xb is geared very low (especially the manuals). This means the engine is running at 3000 rpm at around 62mph or so. Above 3000rpm the engine does get a bit drony.
Also the ride is stiff because they engineered the car with more bias toward good handling than a good ride. Also they don't use much sound dampening (which can be easily remedied).
Quality is what the Xb is all about. The build quality is great, thus the high rankings in Consumer reports.
What it isn't is a great highway traveler. The wheelbase is too short, the gearing is too low and it could use a bit more sound dampening for that.
What it is, is a great comuter as long as your comute doesnt involve long stretches of freeway.
On a side note, the Mini isn't a great car on the highway either. The only real differance between the two on the highway is the Mini has better sound dampening. It's also geared slightly taller in 5th but not enough to be meaningful.
I think the 2 cars are both great. The Xb has more room and better durability. The Mini has slot car handling and a bit more luxury. If Toyota had a Xb S, with a supercharger and a sunroof, I'd be on it like white on rice!
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I think youre mistaking quality with ride and gearing.
The Xb is geared very low (especially the manuals). This means the engine is running at 3000 rpm at around 62mph or so. Above 3000rpm the engine does get a bit drony.
Also the ride is stiff because they engineered the car with more bias toward good handling than a good ride. Also they don't use much sound dampening (which can be easily remedied).
Quality is what the Xb is all about. The build quality is great, thus the high rankings in Consumer reports.
What it isn't is a great highway traveler. The wheelbase is too short, the gearing is too low and it could use a bit more sound dampening for that.
What it is, is a great comuter as long as your comute doesnt involve long stretches of freeway.
On a side note, the Mini isn't a great car on the highway either. The only real differance between the two on the highway is the Mini has better sound dampening. It's also geared slightly taller in 5th but not enough to be meaningful.
I think the 2 cars are both great. The Xb has more room and better durability. The Mini has slot car handling and a bit more luxury. If Toyota had a Xb S, with a supercharger and a sunroof, I'd be on it like white on rice!
The Xb is geared very low (especially the manuals). This means the engine is running at 3000 rpm at around 62mph or so. Above 3000rpm the engine does get a bit drony.
Also the ride is stiff because they engineered the car with more bias toward good handling than a good ride. Also they don't use much sound dampening (which can be easily remedied).
Quality is what the Xb is all about. The build quality is great, thus the high rankings in Consumer reports.
What it isn't is a great highway traveler. The wheelbase is too short, the gearing is too low and it could use a bit more sound dampening for that.
What it is, is a great comuter as long as your comute doesnt involve long stretches of freeway.
On a side note, the Mini isn't a great car on the highway either. The only real differance between the two on the highway is the Mini has better sound dampening. It's also geared slightly taller in 5th but not enough to be meaningful.
I think the 2 cars are both great. The Xb has more room and better durability. The Mini has slot car handling and a bit more luxury. If Toyota had a Xb S, with a supercharger and a sunroof, I'd be on it like white on rice!
Build quality: Cheap body connectors -vs- nuts and bolts? Again, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by Underhill
I think youre mistaking quality with ride and gearing.
The Xb is geared very low (especially the manuals). This means the engine is running at 3000 rpm at around 62mph or so. Above 3000rpm the engine does get a bit drony.
Also the ride is stiff because they engineered the car with more bias toward good handling than a good ride. Also they don't use much sound dampening (which can be easily remedied).
Quality is what the Xb is all about. The build quality is great, thus the high rankings in Consumer reports.
What it isn't is a great highway traveler. The wheelbase is too short, the gearing is too low and it could use a bit more sound dampening for that.
What it is, is a great comuter as long as your comute doesnt involve long stretches of freeway.
On a side note, the Mini isn't a great car on the highway either. The only real differance between the two on the highway is the Mini has better sound dampening. It's also geared slightly taller in 5th but not enough to be meaningful.
I think the 2 cars are both great. The Xb has more room and better durability. The Mini has slot car handling and a bit more luxury. If Toyota had a Xb S, with a supercharger and a sunroof, I'd be on it like white on rice!
The Xb is geared very low (especially the manuals). This means the engine is running at 3000 rpm at around 62mph or so. Above 3000rpm the engine does get a bit drony.
Also the ride is stiff because they engineered the car with more bias toward good handling than a good ride. Also they don't use much sound dampening (which can be easily remedied).
Quality is what the Xb is all about. The build quality is great, thus the high rankings in Consumer reports.
What it isn't is a great highway traveler. The wheelbase is too short, the gearing is too low and it could use a bit more sound dampening for that.
What it is, is a great comuter as long as your comute doesnt involve long stretches of freeway.
On a side note, the Mini isn't a great car on the highway either. The only real differance between the two on the highway is the Mini has better sound dampening. It's also geared slightly taller in 5th but not enough to be meaningful.
I think the 2 cars are both great. The Xb has more room and better durability. The Mini has slot car handling and a bit more luxury. If Toyota had a Xb S, with a supercharger and a sunroof, I'd be on it like white on rice!
Build quality: Cheap body connectors -vs- nuts and bolts? Again, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Go to the mini forum and trash the xb there. You're as bad as that other tard that bought the mr2 spyder.
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Let's keep the discussion about the cars. No need to get personal.
I drove my friend's base Mini and wasn't really that impressed as far as handling. I didn't think it was any better than my xB with it's few suspension mods. ANd this was when we were camping so I took it thru some pretty twisty roads by myself so I pushed it. It was definitely smoother both in ride and engine shifting/noise, but not worth the extra $$ to me, especially with the loss of interior room. They are getting a roof rack just to be able to haul enough stuff for a roadtrip with 2 passengers. Of course if the conv. had been out before I bought my xB I probably would've bought one...
I drove my friend's base Mini and wasn't really that impressed as far as handling. I didn't think it was any better than my xB with it's few suspension mods. ANd this was when we were camping so I took it thru some pretty twisty roads by myself so I pushed it. It was definitely smoother both in ride and engine shifting/noise, but not worth the extra $$ to me, especially with the loss of interior room. They are getting a roof rack just to be able to haul enough stuff for a roadtrip with 2 passengers. Of course if the conv. had been out before I bought my xB I probably would've bought one...
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I've driven the mini and I've ridden in my friends on the highway. It's quieter but the ride quality isn't signifigantly better. The handling is better (as it should be since the center of gravity is probably a foot lower).
And exactly what cheap body connecters are you describing? If you are talking about on the front and rear plastics I would say that most every car I've owned has come with those in some form and they arent a problem unless you try to remove them.
The mini does feel more solid at highway speeds but sound dampening can make quite a differance there. I'll let you know in a week or so when I get my X done.
I've driven the mini and I've ridden in my friends on the highway. It's quieter but the ride quality isn't signifigantly better. The handling is better (as it should be since the center of gravity is probably a foot lower).
And exactly what cheap body connecters are you describing? If you are talking about on the front and rear plastics I would say that most every car I've owned has come with those in some form and they arent a problem unless you try to remove them.
The mini does feel more solid at highway speeds but sound dampening can make quite a differance there. I'll let you know in a week or so when I get my X done.
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Being a supporter of both SCION and MINI I will have to lean towards the MINI in this comparo....
The MINI is much much nibler than the xb... Many Times Over.
The MINI is faster or should I say... Quicker.
THE MINI S is even faster.
Tight corners and turns in the MINI feel natural and even proper.
xB isn't able to take a quick turn nor does it feel natural.
We do have an xB on the Team who is chasing heels of some of our TEAM MINI's... but that has a lot to do with the xB owner...he was born fast.
It has not nor shall it in it's current state, ever catch up to the MCS's tearing up the canyons.
I will even say the tC will not compare to the MCS in that environment.
Regarding MINI not for tall people...
Are you kidding me?
The MINI was built to accomodate a maximum human height of 6'7. If that's not a tall person... ha, I dunno what is.
The ride quality.
Which is better?
The MINI has a proper drive posture position for what it's made for. Performance and twisty road with the note of daily driving.
The Seats are bolstered and firm. Yet comfortable. More comfortable overall than any Scion I've driven.
The xB has a proper driver posture position for what it's made for.... Not performance. The seats are pedastrian and utilitary. upright like a UPS van.
You are welcome to bring this discussion over to my site for additional commentary and experiences.
The MINI is much much nibler than the xb... Many Times Over.
The MINI is faster or should I say... Quicker.
THE MINI S is even faster.
Tight corners and turns in the MINI feel natural and even proper.
xB isn't able to take a quick turn nor does it feel natural.
We do have an xB on the Team who is chasing heels of some of our TEAM MINI's... but that has a lot to do with the xB owner...he was born fast.
It has not nor shall it in it's current state, ever catch up to the MCS's tearing up the canyons.
I will even say the tC will not compare to the MCS in that environment.
Regarding MINI not for tall people...
Are you kidding me?
The MINI was built to accomodate a maximum human height of 6'7. If that's not a tall person... ha, I dunno what is.
The ride quality.
Which is better?
The MINI has a proper drive posture position for what it's made for. Performance and twisty road with the note of daily driving.
The Seats are bolstered and firm. Yet comfortable. More comfortable overall than any Scion I've driven.
The xB has a proper driver posture position for what it's made for.... Not performance. The seats are pedastrian and utilitary. upright like a UPS van.
You are welcome to bring this discussion over to my site for additional commentary and experiences.
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Originally Posted by TeamMightyMiniz
Being a supporter of both SCION and MINI I will have to lean towards the MINI in this comparo....
The MINI is much much nibler than the xb... Many Times Over.
The MINI is faster or should I say... Quicker.
THE MINI S is even faster.
Tight corners and turns in the MINI feel natural and even proper.
xB isn't able to take a quick turn nor does it feel natural.
We do have an xB on the Team who is chasing heels of some of our TEAM MINI's... but that has a lot to do with the xB owner...he was born fast.
It has not nor shall it in it's current state, ever catch up to the MCS's tearing up the canyons.
I will even say the tC will not compare to the MCS in that environment.
Regarding MINI not for tall people...
Are you kidding me?
The MINI was built to accomodate a maximum human height of 6'7. If that's not a tall person... ha, I dunno what is.
The ride quality.
Which is better?
The MINI has a proper drive posture position for what it's made for. Performance and twisty road with the note of daily driving.
The Seats are bolstered and firm. Yet comfortable. More comfortable overall than any Scion I've driven.
The xB has a proper driver posture position for what it's made for.... Not performance. The seats are pedastrian and utilitary. upright like a UPS van.
You are welcome to bring this discussion over to my site for additional commentary and experiences.
The MINI is much much nibler than the xb... Many Times Over.
The MINI is faster or should I say... Quicker.
THE MINI S is even faster.
Tight corners and turns in the MINI feel natural and even proper.
xB isn't able to take a quick turn nor does it feel natural.
We do have an xB on the Team who is chasing heels of some of our TEAM MINI's... but that has a lot to do with the xB owner...he was born fast.
It has not nor shall it in it's current state, ever catch up to the MCS's tearing up the canyons.
I will even say the tC will not compare to the MCS in that environment.
Regarding MINI not for tall people...
Are you kidding me?
The MINI was built to accomodate a maximum human height of 6'7. If that's not a tall person... ha, I dunno what is.
The ride quality.
Which is better?
The MINI has a proper drive posture position for what it's made for. Performance and twisty road with the note of daily driving.
The Seats are bolstered and firm. Yet comfortable. More comfortable overall than any Scion I've driven.
The xB has a proper driver posture position for what it's made for.... Not performance. The seats are pedastrian and utilitary. upright like a UPS van.
You are welcome to bring this discussion over to my site for additional commentary and experiences.
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How is this a "bash-a-thon"?
It's an unfair comparo.
MINI is a superior vehicle when compared to the Scion.
Compare the Scion to ... The Element or some GEO's
And remember... I too own a Scion
It's an unfair comparo.
MINI is a superior vehicle when compared to the Scion.
Compare the Scion to ... The Element or some GEO's
And remember... I too own a Scion
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My point has never been to say the X is superior to the Mini in every way. In fact I've never heard anyone say that.
However it all depends on your priorities. If you want performance and dont care about things like a rear seat the Mini is definately superior.
For a real world car that has to be used for everything from grocery getting to pedestrian comutes, the mini comes up short. Especially if kids are in the equation at any time in the forseeable future.
For a machine with the kind of utility the X has, it handles as well as any machine out there, under 20k, that I've seen.
And Geo went the way of the cavemen.
However it all depends on your priorities. If you want performance and dont care about things like a rear seat the Mini is definately superior.
For a real world car that has to be used for everything from grocery getting to pedestrian comutes, the mini comes up short. Especially if kids are in the equation at any time in the forseeable future.
For a machine with the kind of utility the X has, it handles as well as any machine out there, under 20k, that I've seen.
And Geo went the way of the cavemen.
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Originally Posted by TeamMightyMiniz
How is this a "bash-a-thon"?
It's an unfair comparo.
MINI is a superior vehicle when compared to the Scion.
Compare the Scion to ... The Element or some GEO's
And remember... I too own a Scion
It's an unfair comparo.
MINI is a superior vehicle when compared to the Scion.
Compare the Scion to ... The Element or some GEO's
And remember... I too own a Scion
Build quality is good in both cars, the mini uses more substantial materials but you also pay for that...
The title of this thread is misleading... It wasn't a comparison, more of a put down for the xB now that the guy purchased a mini and likes it better.
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Originally Posted by Underhill
My point has never been to say the X is superior to the Mini in every way. In fact I've never heard anyone say that.
However it all depends on your priorities. If you want performance and dont care about things like a rear seat the Mini is definately superior.
For a real world car that has to be used for everything from grocery getting to pedestrian comutes, the mini comes up short. Especially if kids are in the equation at any time in the forseeable future.
For a machine with the kind of utility the X has, it handles as well as any machine out there, under 20k, that I've seen.
And Geo went the way of the cavemen.
However it all depends on your priorities. If you want performance and dont care about things like a rear seat the Mini is definately superior.
For a real world car that has to be used for everything from grocery getting to pedestrian comutes, the mini comes up short. Especially if kids are in the equation at any time in the forseeable future.
For a machine with the kind of utility the X has, it handles as well as any machine out there, under 20k, that I've seen.
And Geo went the way of the cavemen.
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Originally Posted by mikem53
Originally Posted by TeamMightyMiniz
How is this a "bash-a-thon"?
It's an unfair comparo.
MINI is a superior vehicle when compared to the Scion.
Compare the Scion to ... The Element or some GEO's
And remember... I too own a Scion
It's an unfair comparo.
MINI is a superior vehicle when compared to the Scion.
Compare the Scion to ... The Element or some GEO's
And remember... I too own a Scion
Build quality is good in both cars, the mini uses more substantial materials but you also pay for that...
The title of this thread is misleading... It wasn't a comparison, more of a put down for the xB now that the guy purchased a mini and likes it better.
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This whole thread is just silly, can't we just let a guy appreciate his purchase, do yall really think he's gonna buy a new car and say "Whoa! What a mistake I made" I don't think he's bashing Scion, he probably just wants to talk about his new car seeing us as a great community of fellow scion owning collegues. Relax people, no one kicked your dog.
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Originally Posted by redhalo
This whole thread is just silly, can't we just let a guy appreciate his purchase, do yall really think he's gonna buy a new car and say "Whoa! What a mistake I made" I don't think he's bashing Scion, he probably just wants to talk about his new car seeing us as a great community of fellow scion owning collegues. Relax people, no one kicked your dog.
