Pictures of Boxcar Willie, my 2005 xB
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Originally Posted by TJandBOXCARWILLIE
Originally Posted by McBain
For someone who has owned so many cars, you have a lot to learn, if that is indeed the truth.
TJ’ s Car List…starting with the first one, bought in 1978.
1. VW Beetle, 1968 ( White )
2. VW Beetle, 1964 ( Baja )
3. Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser, 1968 (Greenish)
4. Chevy Citation , 1980 ( 2 door Yellow )
5. Chevy Citation, 1980 ( 4 door Brown )
6. VW Bus , 1975 ( Orange and White)
7. VW Rabbit, 1975 ( 4 door Yellow )
8. VW Rabbit, 1980 ( 2 door Brown )
9. Buick Opel, 1970 (2 door Blue)
10. Pontiac Sunbird, 1980 ( 2 door White )
11. Chevy Chevette , 1982 ( 4 door Brown )
12. Ford Escort Wagon, 1984 ( 4 door White )
13. VW Rabbit, 1980 ( 4 door Brown )
14. Mercury Tracer, 1989 ( 2 door Silver,)
15. VW Super Beetle, 1973 ( Biscay Blue & White )
16. VW Squareback , 1973 ( Yellow )
17. VW Beetle, 1971 ( Blue )
18. Honda Civic , 1991 ( 2 door , Red )
19. Jeep Wrangler, 1990 ( Blue )
20. Ford LTD II , 1978 ( Brownish )
21. VW Karma Ghia, 1973 ( Greenish )
22. Lincoln Continental, 1968 ( 2 door, Burgundy )
23. Ford Probe, 1989 ( 2 door White )
24. Chevy Astro, 1986 ( mid - size van, Blue )
25. Ford Tempo GL, 1989 (2 door Light Blue)
26. Ford Festiva L, 1992 (2 door Red)
27. Ford Festiva GL, 1992 (2 door Aqua)
28. Ford Econline Club Wagon Van , 1984( Blue w/white top)
29. Toyota Corona Luxury Edition, 1980 (4 door brown/Gold; later Plymouth Prowler Purple)
30. Ford Focus SE, 2000 (4 door Metallic Autumn Orange)
31. VW Bus, 1978 (Blue and White)
32. VW Beetle, 2002 ( Cool White; Now 1973 VW Super Beetle Biscay Blue and 2002 VW Cool White)
33. Toyota Scion xB, 2005 (5 door Black Cherry Pearl)
34. Toyota Scion xA, 2005 (5 door Indigo Ink Pearl)
There you go, the entire list. That's the truth, bucko. Or are you calling a Preacher a liar? Oh, you didn't know I am a 40 year old Preacher, did you?
For the record, I own a TCM 05 xB but the principles remain the same regardless.
When you shorten the length of the shifter, it requires MORE force due to less leverage. I don't care what shifter you have, its just the physics of leverage. Try reading a book on it, you might learn something.
As many know, I have a TRD QUICK SHIFTER. Here is the blurb about it from the site: "Shorten the throw between gears and lose less momentum between shifts during aggressive driving maneuvers. Sorry, but it's for 5-speed xBs only."
The THROW, not the 'length of the shifter' as you put it. Again, I have one. Do you? If not, then you can't possibly know the difference gained by putting one on the Box. I can tell by your argumentative tone, that no matter what facts I present to you, you will see otherwise.
You shorten the throws and the stick then you increase the shifting force needed. Pure science, and if you used tools, you would understand.
Well here in TX we have hit 113 degrees and it goes over 100 many days every year. The ambient temps under the hood are nothing compared to operating temps
Try this little test... without starting your car, touch the engine block after having it sit in the sun all day. Ok, now start the car and run around for 20 minutes and touch the block? Now which scenerio is going to be hotter? Like I said before, pure BS, nothing but a dressup item..
Anyway, let me ask you this: If that sort of thing, a alloy oil cap was nothing but a dress up item, then why do high end cars have alloy caps? Racing cars as well? Hmm? Heck, why did my 1968 VW Bug have a metal oil cap, if plastic would have done? No answer, or at the very least, not one you won't fabricate to suit your needs. Listen. I spent the $20 bucks on an oil cap. I like the look, I like the added security of it. I'm not saying you have to have one, if you don't want one. So, why in hell does that bug you?
What about all the other plastics? Radiator, battery, plastic cover over the valve cover.... so many plastic parts under there that you are not worried about.... seems kind of stupid to be only concerned about the cap if your theory were true... now who needs to modify his statement?
Heck, I have a polished steel battery cover around my battery, since that prevents it from being punctured, and then drained, and then my alarm is pointless, so thieves can rob me blind then. You think that is dumb, no doubt, but here in the SOUTH FLORIDA area, that has happened to some of the Boxes.
A person here on the site makes them, Ivan. And others from around the country have bought them. So, I guess we are all fools.
I mentioned why, in an earlier post, why I put the alloy oil cap on my car. I have had experience in this area. Again, you don't have to buy one, or want one. I have my, very real, reasons for having one.
Seems like a strut brace is not really important on a car with so little power.
I just know, that I have found a significant difference in the cars handling before and after the addition of the strut bar. Heck, I notice a difference in the handling between my xB and my stock xA, which does not have one. So, again, you do what you want, believe what you want. I know what my personal experience is. You don't have one of these, to base your biased opinion on, from what I see here.
They do help strengthen some unibody applications such as a mustang and such, but totally unnecessary with the box. More dress-up to try and impress huh?
Like I said before, when you change the tire size to a larger circumfrence, you effectively are changing the final drive, in thi case making it higher and making the engine have to overcome the higher ratio on take offs.
As far as the borla... being a catback and having most of the exhaust restriction in the cats, it offers nothing in the way of performance.... nothing you can measure.... so believe what you want.... ignore the facts and remain happy... who cares
Again, I think that a debate is fun, but this is not a debate; it's a case of you deciding, for what ever reason you have, to not like what I have done with my personal ride. I have done my best, to remain civil, and to throw light hearted comments at you, but I have this feeling that you don't/won't stop with your jabs, so this is the final reply I have for you.
If you continue to mess up my little thread about my car, and my mods, I can't really stop you, but it would be nice if you just left the thread alone. It's a big site; plenty of room for all of us.
Have a nice day.
I am now up to 2 xB's as they make great shop cars for picking up parts and supplies.
Sorry I don't do fancy quotes as I am not very good with the PC.
As for your list of cars, no offense, but the list certainly does not give you any bragging rights when it comes to performance machines. Which explains why you think the mods to the xB are effective.
My previous comments on the shifter remain the same. The less leverage, or height , the more force required to do the same amount of work. Argue all you want, its physics. Yes it will shift quicker and might feel better, but it is not easier to shift.
Your oil cap logic is just way too funny to even discuss. The OEM cap is made of hard rubber and will not rust. It also won't warp and make your car slower. So you can stick up for your remarks all you want, but it doesn't make it right. And like I said, what about all the other plastic/rubber part? Why don't they corrode or rust. Notihing but nonsense.
you said "My overall size is not any different. It's the same circumference as the STOCK size, yet, lighter then the stock weight. (why am I bothering? I am not sure. I feel like I am arguing with a person that believes it's plaid outside, and no person, with any amount of facts, can or will tell them otherwise. ) "
Which is true, I never said it wasn't true. If you are running wider tires, they will have more rolling resistance, but the tradeoff for a larger contact patch makes it worth it.
The borla is more for noise than anything else. Until you know what type of back pressure the stock setup is, you are just guessing about the power. Having looked into the stock system myself but not gone as far as to measure the BP, I would say you are luckly to get 2 HP out of it if that much. But I'm sure the sound of a Borla, I know Alex Borla personally would be better than stock.
You can attack me all you want, it makes no difference to me. I have been working with performance machines for many years and know the in and outs of what works.
I also received private messages from members on here who also agree with my assesments.
You may have some of the Scion community fooled on what you believe to be fact, but many on here know bad advice and BS when we here it
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Originally Posted by McBain
First off, I apologize for posting late. I own a performance consulting shop that does work for racing teams and was quite busy the last few weeks.
I am now up to 2 xB's as they make great shop cars for picking up parts and supplies.
Sorry I don't do fancy quotes as I am not very good with the PC.
As for your list of cars, no offense, but the list certainly does not give you any bragging rights when it comes to performance machines. Which explains why you think the mods to the xB are effective.
My previous comments on the shifter remain the same. The less leverage, or height , the more force required to do the same amount of work. Argue all you want, its physics. Yes it will shift quicker and might feel better, but it is not easier to shift.
Your oil cap logic is just way too funny to even discuss. The OEM cap is made of hard rubber and will not rust. It also won't warp and make your car slower.
So you can stick up for your remarks all you want, but it doesn't make it right.
And like I said, what about all the other plastic/rubber part? Why don't they corrode or rust. Notihing but nonsense.
The borla is more for noise than anything else. Until you know what type of back pressure the stock setup is, you are just guessing about the power. Having looked into the stock system myself but not gone as far as to measure the BP, I would say you are luckly to get 2 HP out of it if that much. But I'm sure the sound of a Borla, I know Alex Borla personally would be better than stock.
You can attack me all you want, it makes no difference to me.
I have been working with performance machines for many years and know the in and outs of what works.
I also received private messages from members on here who also agree with my assesments.
You may have some of the Scion community fooled on what you believe to be fact, but many on here know bad advice and BS when we here it
I believe you have made yourself to look like a fool, just as much as I have.
The difference here? (yes, 'here'), is I don't give a crap. It's just the Internet. Words on a screen.
Have a nice life, and please, no more posting here. Thanks, and I'll avoid any photo thread you may have, if you ever get one.
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This is my final post to this thread. It seems all you can do is look for excuses and complaints to make up for the lack of facts you can't provide.
You have side stepped most of my responses with slander and name calling trying to take attention away from the fact that you really know nothing about performance. It's ashame you are leading people to wrong conclusions with your ancedotal evidence.
That's fine, you can play your mind games with those who don't know enough to listen to you.
Things in life such as physics can't be changed even if the aftermarket sales people say different.
So keep trying, maybe someday you will get 1 or 2 more HP out of your cars without spending thousands..
Oh, and look it up, Rubber and plastic doesn't rust. And engine block heat is hotter than ambient temps under the hood..
But I really have to thank you, from me and the guys in the shop. We never laughed so hard before... Thanks!
PS. I will try and update my profile, if you promise to read your own post and admit you know very little...
Don't worry about me posting pics of the xB's. They are used for work and not really worthy of pseudo performance machines.. Great car though. bye..
You have side stepped most of my responses with slander and name calling trying to take attention away from the fact that you really know nothing about performance. It's ashame you are leading people to wrong conclusions with your ancedotal evidence.
That's fine, you can play your mind games with those who don't know enough to listen to you.
Things in life such as physics can't be changed even if the aftermarket sales people say different.
So keep trying, maybe someday you will get 1 or 2 more HP out of your cars without spending thousands..
Oh, and look it up, Rubber and plastic doesn't rust. And engine block heat is hotter than ambient temps under the hood..
But I really have to thank you, from me and the guys in the shop. We never laughed so hard before... Thanks!
PS. I will try and update my profile, if you promise to read your own post and admit you know very little...
Don't worry about me posting pics of the xB's. They are used for work and not really worthy of pseudo performance machines.. Great car though. bye..
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Anyways...
whats next to go on the box Willie? you know modding a car is a diease we all have it now...its only a matter of time...slowly but surely...even though you are a holy man
you will become corrupted 
and come to the darkside! mwhahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! 
btw put headers on that baby next 
i looove the response in mine but i'm sure in your Xb you'll have alot more fun because your a manual....unlike me who got stuck with a auto but still i have an Xb reguardless and am happy....BTW is it just me Willie or is it a general theory that most people who get Xb's are kinda goofy and happy (thats including myself lol) but then again the Xb does have a special design that just attracts us huh? yea i'm rambling as usual...
whats next to go on the box Willie? you know modding a car is a diease we all have it now...its only a matter of time...slowly but surely...even though you are a holy man
you will become corrupted and come to the darkside! mwhahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! btw put headers on that baby next i looove the response in mine but i'm sure in your Xb you'll have alot more fun because your a manual....unlike me who got stuck with a auto but still i have an Xb reguardless and am happy....BTW is it just me Willie or is it a general theory that most people who get Xb's are kinda goofy and happy (thats including myself lol) but then again the Xb does have a special design that just attracts us huh? yea i'm rambling as usual...
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Originally Posted by McBain
This is my final post to this thread.
It seems all you can do is look for excuses and complaints to make up for the lack of facts you can't provide.
You have side stepped most of my responses with slander and name calling trying to take attention away from the fact that you really know nothing about performance.
Even a little bit helps. Now, since you just work with soap box derby cars, I can see how you might get thrown off. since I'm talking about my xB.
It's ashame you are leading people to wrong conclusions with your ancedotal evidence.
That's fine, you can play your mind games with those who don't know enough to listen to you.
Things in life such as physics can't be changed even if the aftermarket sales people say different.
So keep trying, maybe someday you will get 1 or 2 more HP out of your cars without spending thousands..
Oh, and look it up, Rubber and plastic doesn't rust.
And engine block heat is hotter than ambient temps under the hood..
But I really have to thank you, from me and the guys in the shop. We never laughed so hard before... Thanks!
Yes, they are laughing at you. At least, I am.
PS. I will try and update my profile, if you promise to read your own post and admit you know very little...
Don't worry about me posting pics of the xB's. They are used for work and not really worthy of pseudo performance machines.. Great car though. bye..
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The Preacher and McBear
(copy and paste of an authentic bit of Americana, 1903 popular song hit)
A Preacher went out huntin, t'was on one Sunday morn
He knew its against his religion, but he took his gun along
He shot himself three mighty fine quail
and one little measly hare
And on his way returning home,
he saw a great big Grizzly Bear
Now the bear marched out in the middle of the road
and waltzed to the Preacher you see
The Preacher got so excited, he climbed up a 'simmon tree
The bear sat down upon the ground,
the Preacher climbed out on a limb
Well he cast his eyes to the Lord in the skies,
and these words he said to Him
"Oh Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale and then
Three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
so the Good Book do declare
Now Oh Lord, if you can't help me,
well then please don't-cha help that bear"
Now the Preacher was up in that tree,
I think it was all night
He said Mr Bear if you bother me,
I'll give you an awful fight
Just about that time the limb let go
and the Preacher came tumblin' down
You could see him getting his razor out
before he hit the ground
He hit the ground cuttin' right and left,
he put up a very game fight
Just then the bear grabbed the Preacher,
and he squeezed him a little too tight
The Preacher dropped his razor, the bear held on with a vim
Well he cast his eyes to the Lord in the skies
and these words he said to Him
' Oh Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale and then
Three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
so the Good Book do declare
Now Oh Lord, if you can't help me,
well then please don't-cha help that bear"
They fought all the way to the river,
it was a terrible fight
That bear just kept a-hanging on,
but the Preacher was a-doing all right
He dragged that beast right down in the water
it was three times in and out
Then the bear got up and he limped away
and the Preacher began to shout
"Oh, Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale, Amen,
And oh Lord, it may not seem like much from way up there,
But the hardest thing I ever done was baptize that (bleep bleep) bear."
Background:
Composed or copyrighted in 1903 by George W. Fairman. 1905 Victor
recording by Arthur Collins was very popular, as was a Sousa's Band
version in 1906. Riley Puckett's 1925 Columbia recording was followed
by versions by John McGhee (1927), Honeyboy and Sassafrass (1930), the
Prairie Ramblers (1936) and Puckett again in 1939. The famous Golden
Gate Quartet made an acapella version for RCA at their first session in
1937. Jerry Reed had a charted hit with "The Preacher And The Bear" in
1970 as a single (RCA 9904) that stayed on the charts for 11 weeks,
reaching No. 16. The recording by John McGhee has been reissued on
an LP, Old Homestead OHCS-141 "West Virginia Hills" (Old Homestead
Records, Box 100, Brighton, MI 48116). The second version is by Hylo
Brown, found on Rural Rhythm 176, "Folk Songs Of Rural America" (Uncle
Jim's, Box A, Arcadia, CA 91066). Max Wiseman had a version and Yvonne
Reuge who sang it at the 1970 Tenio Old Time Music Festival. DP
Phil Harris did it, too. RG
====
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McBear (copy and paste of an authentic bit of Americana, 1903 popular song hit)
A Preacher went out huntin, t'was on one Sunday morn
He knew its against his religion, but he took his gun along
He shot himself three mighty fine quail
and one little measly hare
And on his way returning home,
he saw a great big Grizzly Bear
Now the bear marched out in the middle of the road
and waltzed to the Preacher you see
The Preacher got so excited, he climbed up a 'simmon tree
The bear sat down upon the ground,
the Preacher climbed out on a limb
Well he cast his eyes to the Lord in the skies,
and these words he said to Him
"Oh Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale and then
Three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
so the Good Book do declare
Now Oh Lord, if you can't help me,
well then please don't-cha help that bear"
Now the Preacher was up in that tree,
I think it was all night
He said Mr Bear if you bother me,
I'll give you an awful fight
Just about that time the limb let go
and the Preacher came tumblin' down
You could see him getting his razor out
before he hit the ground
He hit the ground cuttin' right and left,
he put up a very game fight
Just then the bear grabbed the Preacher,
and he squeezed him a little too tight
The Preacher dropped his razor, the bear held on with a vim
Well he cast his eyes to the Lord in the skies
and these words he said to Him
' Oh Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale and then
Three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
so the Good Book do declare
Now Oh Lord, if you can't help me,
well then please don't-cha help that bear"
They fought all the way to the river,
it was a terrible fight
That bear just kept a-hanging on,
but the Preacher was a-doing all right
He dragged that beast right down in the water
it was three times in and out
Then the bear got up and he limped away
and the Preacher began to shout
"Oh, Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale, Amen,
And oh Lord, it may not seem like much from way up there,
But the hardest thing I ever done was baptize that (bleep bleep) bear."
Background:
Composed or copyrighted in 1903 by George W. Fairman. 1905 Victor
recording by Arthur Collins was very popular, as was a Sousa's Band
version in 1906. Riley Puckett's 1925 Columbia recording was followed
by versions by John McGhee (1927), Honeyboy and Sassafrass (1930), the
Prairie Ramblers (1936) and Puckett again in 1939. The famous Golden
Gate Quartet made an acapella version for RCA at their first session in
1937. Jerry Reed had a charted hit with "The Preacher And The Bear" in
1970 as a single (RCA 9904) that stayed on the charts for 11 weeks,
reaching No. 16. The recording by John McGhee has been reissued on
an LP, Old Homestead OHCS-141 "West Virginia Hills" (Old Homestead
Records, Box 100, Brighton, MI 48116). The second version is by Hylo
Brown, found on Rural Rhythm 176, "Folk Songs Of Rural America" (Uncle
Jim's, Box A, Arcadia, CA 91066). Max Wiseman had a version and Yvonne
Reuge who sang it at the 1970 Tenio Old Time Music Festival. DP
Phil Harris did it, too. RG
====
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Originally Posted by Inuyashalover
Anyways...
whats next to go on the box Willie? you know modding a car is a diease we all have it now...its only a matter of time...slowly but surely...even though you are a holy man you will become corrupted and come to the darkside! mwhahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!
btw put headers on that baby next i looove the response in mine but i'm sure in your Xb you'll have alot more fun because your a manual....unlike me who got stuck with a auto but still i have an Xb reguardless and am happy....BTW is it just me Willie or is it a general theory that most people who get Xb's are kinda goofy and happy (thats including myself lol) but then again the Xb does have a special design that just attracts us huh? yea i'm rambling as usual...
whats next to go on the box Willie? you know modding a car is a diease we all have it now...its only a matter of time...slowly but surely...even though you are a holy man
you will become corrupted and come to the darkside! mwhahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! btw put headers on that baby next i looove the response in mine but i'm sure in your Xb you'll have alot more fun because your a manual....unlike me who got stuck with a auto but still i have an Xb reguardless and am happy....BTW is it just me Willie or is it a general theory that most people who get Xb's are kinda goofy and happy (thats including myself lol) but then again the Xb does have a special design that just attracts us huh? yea i'm rambling as usual...And then, I t hink...well, it should be a surprise.
BTW, the leather will increase the horsepower by a ninth of a degree, since the wind will flow over it better...
Thanks for your nice words.
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Originally Posted by "TJandBOXCARWILLIE
I think the leather is next. Yes, leather...
And then, I t hink...well, it should be a surprise.
BTW, the leather will increase the horsepower by a ninth of a degree, since the wind will flow over it better...
And then, I t hink...well, it should be a surprise.
BTW, the leather will increase the horsepower by a ninth of a degree, since the wind will flow over it better...
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lol hey Willie you know after you do the interior....there will be pretty much NO stock boxes left in our scion bubble down here! lol taking the leap of faith so to speak eh?? way to go! its about time! lol j/k
faith so to speak eh?? way to go! its about time! lol j/k
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Originally Posted by Sciond
Have you switched to silicone hoses?
(oddly, when I went to GOOGLE IMAGE search, and put in BIG ALARMS, that came up)
This post has been a joke. If it had been serious, you would by now know it.
