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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 07:11 AM
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hers what i use...
Pinnacle Ultra Poly Clay
Wolfgang Paintwork Polish
Poorboys Black Hole Glaze
Poorboys EX Sealant
Poorboys Nattys Blue Paste Wax

in that order. and Poorboys Quick Spray Wax like every other wash to maintain the freshly waxed look.also when you clay use a quick detail spray to keep the surface slick. and cut the bsr into 4 pieces. a small piece is enough for a new car. and dont drop the clay, if you do, throw it away and use a new piece.

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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Alright, I'm getting ready to do it myself with all the information here, btw, what brand I should use and where I can buy them. I will start with geneal brand wash, then risen it, then mother clay bar, then what brand of rubbring compond, and what brand for sealant and polish and so, do I need a drill and some pads to help out?

Thanks!
Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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What Ive always done.

1. Wash
2. Dry
3. Clay

(3 stage wax)
4. Cleaner Wax
5. Polisher
6. Wax Sealant

Wax and Remove is always the last step. The wax is the sealant and whatever is on top of the wax is supposed to wipe off and come off easily. Why would you want your polish to rinse off after the first rain?
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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I knew polish wasnt the last step...
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 02:39 AM
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I really don't understand these...

(3 stage wax)
4. Cleaner Wax
5. Polisher
6. Wax Sealant

so what exactly cleaner wax, polisher are? Is wax sealant just regular wax?
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 02:42 AM
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I told you, nutrients. You should use Meguiars..trust me, I have been detailing cars for quite some time and I can vouch for there products.
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Flawlessly
I really don't understand these...

(3 stage wax)
4. Cleaner Wax
5. Polisher
6. Wax Sealant

so what exactly cleaner wax, polisher are? Is wax sealant just regular wax?
a cleaner wax is similar to a rubbing compound, but not quite as abrasive.
polisher is any polish you want
and wax sealant is the most popular type of wax.
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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Thank you!
Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:49 AM
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Some polishers are design for darker color, can I use it for my CSM?
Old Sep 15, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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Well it says darker color doesnt it? You can use it for your CSM but your not going to get the best finish. I suggest you buy the polish that is applicable to all colors not the dark colors. Go on Meguiars site and read the descriptions. If you are really lost, call there help line. They will sit down and give you all the information you need.
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generally, a polish will almost always make a dark paint look much deeper. Its hard to do that with a light color. However, for the most part, all polish is the same.
Old Sep 15, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Domo
Far from the same. Polish contains nutrients for your paint, wax is what seals all the nutrients onto your paint and acts as a thin layer that protects your paint from oxidation.

What type of Polish do you recommend is better?
Old Sep 15, 2009 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by IH8ONYU
the clay will strip all the dirt, gunk, and wax off the finish.
wash, then clay, then rince, then wax, then sealer, then polish = better then showroom finish.

just be sure to wax and seal after you clay bar.

Wow you got this all wrong.

Polish is like a very fine sand paper so its going to take off all the wax and sealant that you just spent a good hour or 2 putting on.

You want to wash, clay, wash again to remove all the clay residue, polish, sealant then wax if you choose too.

When using clay be sure to use plenty of quick detailer so you don't mar up your paint. Use in it a side to side motion or up and down, never in circles. Also make sure to kneed the clay often so your not dragging dirt that you just picked up all around your paint.

Rubbing compound is not needed unless you have a very bad oxidized paint.
Old Sep 15, 2009 | 11:18 PM
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i use clay bar with water. usually during the rinse cycle after a wash.
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by seppuku27
Wow you got this all wrong.

Polish is like a very fine sand paper so its going to take off all the wax and sealant that you just spent a good hour or 2 putting on.

You want to wash, clay, wash again to remove all the clay residue, polish, sealant then wax if you choose too.

When using clay be sure to use plenty of quick detailer so you don't mar up your paint. Use in it a side to side motion or up and down, never in circles. Also make sure to kneed the clay often so your not dragging dirt that you just picked up all around your paint.

Rubbing compound is not needed unless you have a very bad oxidized paint.
you sir are CORRECT about polish. and it seems like everyone bypassed my earlier post. i listed the products i use, brand also, and what order i use them. ill just copy and paste it again...
Originally Posted by FatBoyTrucker
hers what i use...
Pinnacle Ultra Poly Clay
Wolfgang Paintwork Polish
Poorboys Black Hole Glaze
Poorboys EX Sealant
Poorboys Nattys Blue Paste Wax

in that order. and Poorboys Quick Spray Wax like every other wash to maintain the freshly waxed look.also when you clay use a quick detail spray to keep the surface slick. and cut the bsr into 4 pieces. a small piece is enough for a new car. and dont drop the clay, if you do, throw it away and use a new piece.
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 03:54 AM
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Id say you want to keep plenty of lubricant on hand so you dont have any clay residue to begin with... then polish, and wax that ish. It seems from the last few posts that peeps are complicating the whole process. A clay and wax will bring out the shine just fine but if you want expert advice seek it out in a local manner. Too much confusion has already been brought about in this thread...
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Flawlessly
I really don't understand these...

(3 stage wax)
4. Cleaner Wax
5. Polisher
6. Wax Sealant

so what exactly cleaner wax, polisher are? Is wax sealant just regular wax?
A cleaner wax has cleaners in it that will help clean off dirt and depending on what one you use oxidation.

A real polish has adbrasives in it that will remove oxidation, scratches and swirl marks. But a pure polish (as Meguairs calls it) is really a glaze that will add to the depth and gloss of your paint.

A sealant is man made containing polymers that will last longer than normal wax which contains carnauba. Now Meguairs NXT 2.0 "wax" is really a sealant. It also has *some* filling ability to hide swirls.

Time to go to work I can answer more later.
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-d...-cleaning.html

Very detailed on claybarring. These forums have a TON of writeups for car detailing.
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Also, invest in a really good orbital buffer and do not cheap out on towels. Buy some good micro fiber towels and be prepared to throw them out after a few uses. If they touch the ground, it's instantly garbage.
Old Sep 16, 2009 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheQuietThings
generally, a polish will almost always make a dark paint look much deeper. Its hard to do that with a light color. However, for the most part, all polish is the same.
All polish isn't the same. Thats like saying all sand paper is the same. Polish has different cuts to remove different defects in the paint. Some have diminishing adbrasives that break down the longer you buff then and some newer ones like ScrachX, Meguairs 105/205 have non-diminishing adbrasives so you can work them longer with out adding more to your pad controlling how much you want to cut.

I think you are confusing polish with glazes that fill swirl marks and in affect bring out more of a gloss and depth.



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