NST is my new favorite mod ever.

 

They are all the same. Hard anodized? Doesn't make a bit of difference with this part. It is a LOW STRESS low motion part. I'll pay $20 less for a a non "hard" part knowing it doesn't make 1% of difference.

I am also kind of annoyed about folks' loyalty to a company which only sells a snake-oil product like a pulley! If you know a thing or two about pulleys, you understand that they are a questionable enhancement which isn't supportable by dyno figures. Ask NST for a dyno THEN try to re-create it! You can't.

NST isn't offering us anything innovative - its all old news - repackaged and disproven technology or copied parts. Yes, they pay for this site, but c'mon.... It's only because rubes buy into their business model. Where is the innovation?! Where are the PROVEN results?! Where are the REPEATABLE dynos? NST isn't offering anything innovative nor do they have the capacity to do so in the future.

 

Right on. Very professional.


We'll just let our customers' words speak for themselves....

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7535

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4737

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...ght=nst+pulley

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...ght=nst+owners

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/spons...user-data.html

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=12930

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...hlight=nst+ssk

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f160...stalled-50953/

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=210888

 

NST is currently working on an all new "stage2" kit for the xD and the Yaris.

We are working on Shifter Cable Bushings for the xD and the Yaris.

And we are also working on new Shifter Cage Bushings for the xD and the Yaris.


Thank you to those who have supported our brand and products, you are the reason we are doing more for your community. Good luck and have fun with all your projects!

 

I know I am a tC owner, but I have had nothing but exceptional luck when it comes to dealing with Mike at NST. I bought the stainless steel shifter bushings over a year ago and in the past few months, also bought the full pulley kit and the NST SSK for my tC. Every piece is amazing quality and have had absolutely no problems with anything.

To the people that say NST copied TRD's product: look at the cold air intakes on the market. TRD has their branded CAI which is almost identical to most of the other CAI's on the market. It is competition. They all may look the same, but there are subtle differences that each manufacturer adds.

TRD's is more expensive so that Toyota can make more money when people add it as an option to their new car. NST is charging less to give owners a break. I have never dealt with Piggys before, but I would gladly pay the extra money to know that if I have ANY problems, I can always talk to Mike on AIM or give him a call if he isn't on. Phenomenal customer service is well worth the extra money.

To slim99:
I would venture to guess that you have never done a comparison of a car without pulleys versus a car with them. The gains aren't huge, but I would sure rather spend the money on pulleys than any of the CAI's on the market if I was looking for the best gains.

Long story short, I did run a dyno program and I did, in fact, pick up a few horsepower. I don't remember the exact numbers, but if it is really that important to you, one of these weekends, I can put my old pulleys back on and give you some hard numbers. I also noticed my turbo spooled up a bit more quickly (which I confirmed by looking at my data logs) thanks to the reduced rotating mass.

All in all, NST is an amazing company with top-notch products. I know that when I put any NST product on my car, it is of the highest quality and should there be any problems, Mike is there to walk me through it and help me out.

 

I respect your attempt at salesmanship, but it is 2008. Folks can research and make their own decisions. Hard anodizing is irrelevant for this part. You can flower-up your description, but even the cheapest Scion short shift kit isn't going to wear out from motion / use. You know this too - you are a salesman and I applaud you for all the folks who purchased your product on image and marketing alone.

We would all like to see your company continue to support the community, but you only sell pulleys and shift kits. These are both fraternity level technologies which aren't innovative, unique, or particularly useful. You have mentioned upcoming technologies but, until they drop, they are vaporware as far as I am concerned. Are you waiting for your CRAY supercomputer to crunch the numbers or are you waiting for some Taiwanese fabricator to produce a rebadgable product? C'mon - NST is a repackager... a reseller of stuff available elsewhere. There aren't any other BIG products on the horizon.

 

ALL NST PRODUCTS are designed, tested, manufactured, and assembled here in the USA.

We do not use child labor or third world factories, we do not use cheap materials, cheap machinery, or sub par quality-control systems.

NST was the first company to build pulleys for the Scion tC several years ago. We now offer more pulleys for the tC than all of our competition combined.

We started with one pulley several years ago and we now offer more than ten different options for the Scion tC. This is due to the fact that the community supported us.

We also have a new "stage2" SSK, cable bushings, and cage bushings in development for the xD as we speak. All of these products (just like all other NST products) are being developed by NST in the USA. They will be tested here, produced here, and sold all over the world.

NST IS MADE IN THE USA FTW!!!

 

So what the previous poster is saying is that he likes the NST guy and he hopes he'll follow through on his promise to do more? Kudos to the NST "guy" for making friends. We'll all agree that charisma and persuasion are very important parts of salesmanship.

I don't notice the poster mentioning a performance advantage or any tangible future products - just broad promises.

"Stage two kit" - that's pretty broad. What purchases should we hold off on? Is your garage large enough to hold KITS?

Sorry NST guy - I just despise hollow promises and hype-inflated products. Your product is 65% performance and 35% salesmanship (markup). Based on your to-date history, I don't buy your pitch that your firm is about to bust-out with a myriad of innovative products either - it's just hype...





[quote="NonStopTuning"]

 

So are you saying lightweight flywheels are hype and have no performance benefit? Because they essentially do the exact same thing as lightweight pulleys. It is reducing rotating mass to help the engine rev quicker and free up horsepower used to spin the weight of them.

And who cares if they don't come out with another "innovative" (as you call it) product ever? NST found their niche with pulleys, short shifter kits, and stainless steel bushings. All Energy Suspension makes is replacement bushings. All Spearco makes is intercoolers. You should start posting about them not bringing anything "innovative" to the car enthusiast community as well.

I said before, if you want me to take a weekend and do some dyno testing with stock pulleys versus NST's lightweight pulleys, I can if it is that important to you.

 

Not terribly important to me, but if you want to prove something, I will listen with an open mind.

I do believe you could lighten MANY parts within the engine to very incrementally increase output. Obviously the manufacturer tries to balance a price point with as much available technology consistent with their intended price point.

I've seen folks buy titanium lug nuts to lower the unsprung weight of their wheels. Does it help (in theory yes) but is it measurable - we probably dont have commonly available instruments sensitive enough to measure such a difference.

The pulleys are snake-oil. They are feel-good products which dress up an engine bay but do little else except make your accessories work outside factory specifications. I don't have an issue with lightened pulleys, but you have to do just about every one (including the flywheel) to get a noticeable PERFORMANCE increase. Of course, I am not talking about rev response - I am talking about a small increase in MEASURABLE performance (not butt dyno).

I honestly don't care about this topic enough to attempt the last word. I would hope that someone out there reads this and questions rather than accepts the fluff some companies attempt to feed us. Just because a company has a nice website and a few vocal backers it doesn't necessarily mean that their product is a value or even useful.

So, in closing, if you want to put some numbers out there and you are careful to cleanly compare apples to apples (reporting exactly what differences exist between tests and setups - being careful not to mix additional modifications such as intakes / exhaust tweaks etc.) I will gratefully applaud you for your effort. I will state publicly that I am skeptical the NST products will increase HP in a significantly measurable way. Yes, 1% is is an increase, but on a xD, that is a fraction of 1 HP.

 

By the way, this is a short shifter thread. lol

All in all, the short shifter does what it says it does, it shortens the distance of the throw to shift gears. NST makes great products and I trust their products in my car. I recommend getting one from them.

 

There are links to independent dynos by actual customers, customer testimonials, and customer reviews in the following threads...

Don't take my words for it, read what customers have had to say over the past few years...


http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7535

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4737

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...ght=nst+pulley

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...ght=nst+owners

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/spons...user-data.html

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=12930

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...hlight=nst+ssk

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f160...stalled-50953/

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=210888


Hype, rhetoric, and empty promises do not exist in the NST business model. PERIOD.

 

A few dynos that we have done over the past few years. Bone stock cars, before and after dynos done on the same day, on the same dyno, with no other modifications.

Ofcourse since I am the seller and I want to brainwash you, I did pour some magic blue green steroid hp dyno juice tonic water in the mix to inflate the numbers

http://www.nonstoptuning.com/infoPageDYNOS.htm


VW 2.5 Rabbit, automatic...




Infiniti G35, automatic...




Acura TSX K24, automatic...




Lotus Elise, manual...





Please take a look at the dynos and look at the AREA UNDER THE CURVE. Please don't be a ricer and jump straight to what the peak numbers say, as peak numbers never tell the whole story. NST Pulleys are one of the very few modifications you can do which will increase your area under the curve at low, mid, and high range. This is something that the typical bolt-on (intake, header, exhaust) can not do!

This is why we say NST Pulleys increase throttle response, horsepower, and torque figures accross the entire RPM band. Taking a close look at the dynos will show this to be true.

Furthermore... Take a close look at the times and dates on those graphs. You will find that we did all of our before and after testing on the SAME dyno, on the SAME day, with NO OTHER modifications made. Some of these cars were automatic and some were manual trans cars.

I would be more than happy to chat with any of you on AOL Instant Messenger at the screen name "NSTonAIM" should you wish to chat further about any of these graphs.



This will be my final reply in this thread.



Many thanks to everyone who has supported our brand and our products over the past few years, we certainly do appreciate it. Good luck and have fun with all your projects everyone.

 

Very small, low single digit effect. I'll pass.

Look at the percentage power increases. In some cases it is LESS than 1%. Why go through the time and expense for such small (imperceptible) gains?

I'm out.

 

Those gains aren't too far from what a cold air intake gives you. Why buy a CAI when you get almost no gains?

Also, be sure to look at the torque numbers. There are some decent gains in that area.

 

And just a quick FYI for Mr. slim99:
The TRD exhaust for the xD offers almost no gains whatsoever on the xD and by going from the stock xD steelies to the 17" alloys, you increased the unsprung weight and increased the rotating mass that will hinder your car's performance.

ALL performance products have benefits and drawbacks. Personally, I'll add a part that adds a few horsepower and looks nice to my car because in the end, its my car. You may not think any performance part is worth it, for some, it is. I put a turbo on my car. It gets worse gas mileage (when I am boosting), makes my car less reliable, voids my engine warranty, adds a lot of weight, and increases the amount of heat in my engine bay. Does that make it a horrible mod? You may think so, but I love it. To each their own.

 

slim..... why all the bashing? I have personally test fit and evaluated a few products before he released them. Mike does one off a part, no repackaging of cheep Asian parts. This whole NST bashing amazes me, they are a great company that supports the Toyota/Scion communities.
this whole line of thought is just rediculious... it is just like someone bashing you for buying a Scion/Toyota over a Chevy or whatever.

 

hes over here bashing NST as well:

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=209770

what do you want slim? a single bolt on mod that gives you 50hp? will NST be a good company then if they achieve such a feat? a 3-5hp gain at the wheels across the entire power band is pretty good for a bolt on, thats usually better then what a CAI gives you, as mentioned before. its also better then most exhausts that often cost a lot more.

 

You can put NST products in an automatic? Which? I thought this kinda stuff was for manuals only

 

SSK is Chels, so are shifter bushings....