Anyone know the xD weight and mileage? I bought an xA because it was the only hatchback with 30+MPG in the city. The light weight and 1.5L engine made that possible.

The xD has a larger engine and probably weighs more. It does not sound good. I'd rather have a 1.3L or a turbo 1.0L that makes the same power as a 1.5L. That would be progress.

At least they kept the overall dimensions similar while extending the wheelbase. I have no doubt it's a better car in many ways.

The xB is a mess. Bigger, fatter, uglier, and far less of a style statement. What the hell were they thinking?

 

a presskit was given to us during the unveiling which included the volume 9 brochure. it did not include the weight of the vehicle but did show mileage. the weight for the auto xB was shown but not the manual.

30/34-auto
32/37-manual

whether or not these are the real figures remain until the cars official release.

 

Just remember that the Corolla gets >30, and I'm certain it's heavier than the 1.5L xA. I haven't exactly figured that out yet....

 

Manual is same as the xA but automatic (the most popular choice) is worse on the xD. Good job Toyota.

Weight, gearing, tires, engine efficiency, and aerodynamics are the main mechanical parts of EPA fuel economy. Sedans do a lot better, especially on the highway, because their aerodynamics are so much better.

 

The xD is probably geared differently from the xA allowing the manual to get similar mileage even though it weighs more and has a slightly bigger engine. That's why the Corolla gets good mileage. Hopefully it is still geared such that it feels sporty though (although I won't ever own one so it doesn't really matter to me).

 

First of all, 2008 EPA MPG changes will lower MPG for all cars. If xD is doing better than smaller, lighter, unsafer xA while using 30hp more powerful engine, it means Toyota has done really good job at it.

It gets state of the art 1.8 VVTi engine of completly new construction with double VVT-i, first in its class. Engine alone will spend 5% less fuel than previous 1.8, despite having better power and torque.

 

None of us knows whether those mileage figures are based on the new EPA method of determining mpg or not. Given the car will go on sale by mid-2007, and any new rules wouldn't be in place yet, I seriously doubt they would announce lower EPA mileage than they would have to. Maybe these figures are based on the new rules, but I doubt it.

My guess is they got the manual mpg the same as the manual xA through gearing that doesn't require the engine run at such high rpms. Since the engine has more power, they might be able to do that w/o making the car seem unresponsive (assuming it doesn't weight alot more).

I'm sure the 1.8L engine is good and a step up from the 1.5L, but alot of people liked the fact that the xA is lighter and smaller. Making the engine more powerful and maintaining gas mileage is good. IMO, making the car bigger and heavier is bad.

 

I wish Toyota looked at the success of the xA, xB, and Mini, all with their small engines, and realized that there is a market for even smaller-engined ~100HP cars that get great mileage. A smaller VVTIVVTITTTVVILMNOP engine with 100HP would have made me think about replacing our Integra. They just think all Americans are energy pigs or want to pay through the nose for a hybrid.

 

I want that for my egg.

 

The 2ZZ in the Corolla and the 1NZ in the Yaris get comparable mileage. Since the 2ZR is more efficient and powerful than the 2ZZ and the xD is basically a 5-door Yaris, I have reason to believe that the figures in that press kit are based on the new EPA system.

 

One of the reasons Scion most likely used the 1.8 liter engine instead of a smaller engine with the same horse is not because the general American population thinks bigger is better (although that may have influenced their choice) but more likely because there is an abundant supply of the 1.8 liter engines already being produced at Toyota manufacturing plants. It's a lot cheaper then developing a new engine and the American population is already familiar with the 1.8 from the Corolla, which is a very well selling car. The Corolla gets 32/41mpg with a manual and 30/38mpg with an automatic. My guess would be that the xd has about the same mpg rating.

 

The 1.8 in the xD is an all-new engine from the all-new Corolla that hasn't been unveiled in the U.S. yet, not the 1.8 from the Corolla that Americans are familiar with. I thought that was established already.

 

Toyota uses a 1.3L 86HP VVT-i engine in the European Yaris. I'm sure they could up the HP to 100 without too much of a stretch. They don't even offer the 1.5L there, only a 1.4 diesel.

 

Actually, xD is 2008 MY vehicle, so EPA numbers are 2008 EPA rules.
xD is not a lot heavier while being nicely bigger. Yaris 5 door (xD bro) is the lighest and smaller car in the class in Europe, while having biggest interior. It weights 20% less than European small cars....

So before complaining about things, lets get them into perspective.

 

2008 MY vehicles shipped September or later will use the new EPA estimates. Earlier 2008 models will use the old estimates. When will the xD ship?

 

August, supposedly. But considering how Toyota quickly adopted the new SAE horsepower ratings, they may have voluntarily used the new system even if they don't need to. After all, they constantly denounce the EPA mileage as being unrealistic for the Prius.

 

I don't know if they even could legally go by new numbers before September 1st. Either way, I doubt they're the new EPA numbers. Is the EPA even doing the new test yet?

 

While the 30/34 EPA (2008 rule rating) is not bad, I would LOVE to see Toyota offer something better than the 4AT transmission as an extra cost option. How about a 5AT automatic or a modified version of the i-CVT automatic found on the JDM Vitz and Auris models?

 

Curb weight on the 2007 Corolla with manual transmission is 2550 pounds and fuel economy is listed as 32 city and 41 highway. I could only find information on a 2004 xA, which weighs in at 2350 pounds in manual form - 200 pounds lighter than the Corolla - with fuel economy ratings of 32 city and 38 highway. All of these figures come from Car and Driver's website.

It has long bothered me that the heavier Corolla with more engine power could get better fuel economy than our lighter and less powerful xA. As I understand it, it's a matter of how the transmission is geared. Toyota wanted the xA to feel 'peppy,' and therefore geared the car shorter than the Echo on which it was based at the expense of a few miles per gallon. This measure kept costs down, another goal Toyota set, because re-gearing a transmission is far less costly than putting in a bigger, more powerful engine.

Incidentally, the 2005 Echo sedan with a manual transmission weighs only 2055 pounds and is rated at 35 city and 42 highway.

 

^^^Damn 2250lbs with a driver! ____e!