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The 1zz has both more power and more torque than the 1nz. Combined that with what will probably be taller gearing than what's in the current xA, and you have a drivetrain that just doesn't have to work as hard as the current 1nz setup. So, the net result will be comparable EPA numbers, if not slightly better in the real world, despite having the "bigger" 1zz engine.
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hopefully slightly taller is the key word. With that little more hp, if you make the gearing too much taller you'll lose some "pep." And the pep is why I love my xA so much.
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hopefully slightly taller is the key word. With that little more hp, if you make the gearing too much taller you'll lose some "pep." And the pep is why I love my xA so much.
I doubt Toyota would do anything to hurt the "peppyness" of any of the Scions, as that seems to be a mojor selling point.
I am bummed that they are not offering a 6MT in any of the models. Especially in the xD as that would put it on (more) even footing with the Versa. Maybe in the '09 MY when I'll be shopping for one.
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
hopefully slightly taller is the key word. With that little more hp, if you make the gearing too much taller you'll lose some "pep." And the pep is why I love my xA so much.
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Originally Posted by xA_Factor
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
hopefully slightly taller is the key word. With that little more hp, if you make the gearing too much taller you'll lose some "pep." And the pep is why I love my xA so much.
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+1 to props for Max on that photo from the brochure! I never would have expected such a huge difference between the automatic and manual versions of the car; now i have convincing reason to make my girlfriend learn to use the third pedal on our next car!
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Originally Posted by xA_Factor
The 1zz has both more power and more torque than the 1nz. Combined that with what will probably be taller gearing than what's in the current xA, and you have a drivetrain that just doesn't have to work as hard as the current 1nz setup. So, the net result will be comparable EPA numbers, if not slightly better in the real world, despite having the "bigger" 1zz engine.
First off, the Corolla used the 2ZZ.
Second of all, the xD uses the 2ZR, not the 2ZZ.
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EPA 2008
From the information on the EPS website, it says that all MY 2008 vehicles will have the new EPA ratings. Hopefully that's true and we can make a better comparison as more 2008 MY vehicles come out. If we guess a 10% loss from the new EPA numbers, the comparable numbers for the auto would be ~33/38, which would actually make sense. This is all speculation though. Here is a link to the EPA 2008 information:
EPA: [url]http://www.mileagewillvary.com/docs/MileageFacts.pdfhttp://<br /> Edmunds: <a href="htt...ticle.html</a>
EPA: [url]http://www.mileagewillvary.com/docs/MileageFacts.pdfhttp://<br /> Edmunds: <a href="htt...ticle.html</a>
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Originally Posted by xA_Factor
The 1zz has both more power and more torque than the 1nz. Combined that with what will probably be taller gearing than what's in the current xA, and you have a drivetrain that just doesn't have to work as hard as the current 1nz setup. So, the net result will be comparable EPA numbers, if not slightly better in the real world, despite having the "bigger" 1zz engine.
First off, the Corolla used the 2ZZ.
Second of all, the xD uses the 2ZR, not the 2ZZ.
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From the EPA...
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/regulations.htm
"To more clearly convey fuel economy information to consumers, EPA has also revised the fuel economy window sticker that appears on new vehicles beginning with 2008 models manufactured after September 1, 2007."
Kachow!
OK, we don't know.
Anyway, anyone watch the new Top Gear? Nascar Sucks! Hillary For President!
"To more clearly convey fuel economy information to consumers, EPA has also revised the fuel economy window sticker that appears on new vehicles beginning with 2008 models manufactured after September 1, 2007."
Kachow!
OK, we don't know.
Anyway, anyone watch the new Top Gear? Nascar Sucks! Hillary For President!
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Originally Posted by xA_Factor
Originally Posted by butterfly0fdoom
Originally Posted by xA_Factor
The 1zz has both more power and more torque than the 1nz. Combined that with what will probably be taller gearing than what's in the current xA, and you have a drivetrain that just doesn't have to work as hard as the current 1nz setup. So, the net result will be comparable EPA numbers, if not slightly better in the real world, despite having the "bigger" 1zz engine.
First off, the Corolla used the 2ZZ.
Second of all, the xD uses the 2ZR, not the 2ZZ.
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More EPA...
Looks like we will jsut have to wait. Looks like the EPA just requires it after September 1, 2007, so the MY 2008 vehicles would be the first to have the new ratings. In any case, we will have to wait and see.
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06069.htm
The new label features more prominent fuel cost information, a user-friendly graphic for comparing the fuel economy of different vehicles, clearer text, and a Web site address for more information. Since the new label design will be required on vehicles manufactured on September 1, 2007, or later, manufacturers will be phasing in the new design during the 2008 model year. For model years 2008 and 2009, the label will also state that estimates reflect new EPA test methods beginning with 2008 models.
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^^And I think that buyers would respect them more for using (more) accurate MPG #'s instead of the Prius "claiming" 60MPG when the only time my moms has ever done it, was driver from Vegas to So Cali down the Cajon pass.