New Toyota Plant in US, Not for Scions
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Toyota will still build Scions in Japan, not going to be built outside of that because of the proximity in Japan to their engineering hub.
Great News!!
Toyota will still build Scions in Japan, not going to be built outside of that because of the proximity in Japan to their engineering hub.
Great News!!
LOS ANGELES -- Expect still another Toyota assembly plant in North America.
Toyota Motor Corp.'s North American planning group is evaluating the company's North American sales plan for 2010 and beyond. The group's early conclusion: More manufacturing capacity will be needed beyond the five assembly plants operating and two under construction.
"We have been consistent, conservative and steady. But it does make sense" to add capacity beyond what the company has already announced, says Steve Sturm, vice president of North America planning for Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc.
Among possibilities being explored is a plant in Mexico to produce the Yaris budget car, Sturm says. The Yaris replaced the Echo this year at the bottom of the Toyota brand's lineup in America. It also is sold in Canada and Mexico.
Toyota is betting on more than its own momentum for sales gains. The arrival of 64 million Generation Y'ers means the size of the U.S. vehicle market should explode by 2010, Sturm says.
"These kids are getting new cars, not used cars," he says of the group born from 1977 to 1994. "More cars are being added to the family fleet. The immigrant population is growing and buying cars."
More engines, too
Sturm declined to offer details about Toyota's production targets. In 2005, the company produced 1.56 million units in North America, 63 percent of its North American sales. Its goal is to produce in each region at least 60 percent of its sales. (See story at right.)
Plans suggested by the North American planning group must be approved by Toyota headquarters in Japan, he says.
Sturm says the planning group is exploring a broad expansion of powertrain production. "Our engine and drivetrain manufacturing needs to grow in proportion with new assembly plants," Sturm says.
Over the past decade, Toyota's North American sales have grown by an average of 8 percent annually. If things continue at that rate, Toyota's sales growth will outpace its local production growth.
Toyota will gain volume from its existing products becoming more popular and from new vehicles.
Consulting firm CSM Automotive forecasts Toyota will manufacture close to 2.1 million units in North America in 2010. Plants already under construction or previously announced will handle most of this increase.
Mike Jackson, director of North America vehicle forecasts for CSM, said Toyota might expand some existing factories, such as plants in San Antonio and Baja California, Mexico.
Yaris plant?
If Toyota were to build another Mexican assembly plant, it likely would produce the Yaris subcompact and other new vehicles from the same platform for all North American markets. Toyota now builds the Yaris for America in Japan.
Mexico got its previous-generation Yaris from France, which made it prohibitively expensive, Sturm says. Starting with the new-generation Yaris this year, Mexico is getting the car from Japan.
Toyota probably won't build Scions in Mexico even though some Scions might share underpinnings with the Yaris, Sturm says.
"We need to be close to the (Japanese) nest for Scion, to be near the engineering resources to make the quick changes and retooling necessary to keep Scion fresh," Sturm said.
Toyota is still new to the Mexican retail market, arriving in 2002. Last year Toyota sold just 35,318 units in Mexico, up from 23,876 in 2004. Toyota produced 23,670 units in Mexico last year.
Mexico's market leader is General Motors at 249,714 units, followed closely by Nissan.
Toyota Motor Corp.'s North American planning group is evaluating the company's North American sales plan for 2010 and beyond. The group's early conclusion: More manufacturing capacity will be needed beyond the five assembly plants operating and two under construction.
"We have been consistent, conservative and steady. But it does make sense" to add capacity beyond what the company has already announced, says Steve Sturm, vice president of North America planning for Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc.
Among possibilities being explored is a plant in Mexico to produce the Yaris budget car, Sturm says. The Yaris replaced the Echo this year at the bottom of the Toyota brand's lineup in America. It also is sold in Canada and Mexico.
Toyota is betting on more than its own momentum for sales gains. The arrival of 64 million Generation Y'ers means the size of the U.S. vehicle market should explode by 2010, Sturm says.
"These kids are getting new cars, not used cars," he says of the group born from 1977 to 1994. "More cars are being added to the family fleet. The immigrant population is growing and buying cars."
More engines, too
Sturm declined to offer details about Toyota's production targets. In 2005, the company produced 1.56 million units in North America, 63 percent of its North American sales. Its goal is to produce in each region at least 60 percent of its sales. (See story at right.)
Plans suggested by the North American planning group must be approved by Toyota headquarters in Japan, he says.
Sturm says the planning group is exploring a broad expansion of powertrain production. "Our engine and drivetrain manufacturing needs to grow in proportion with new assembly plants," Sturm says.
Over the past decade, Toyota's North American sales have grown by an average of 8 percent annually. If things continue at that rate, Toyota's sales growth will outpace its local production growth.
Toyota will gain volume from its existing products becoming more popular and from new vehicles.
Consulting firm CSM Automotive forecasts Toyota will manufacture close to 2.1 million units in North America in 2010. Plants already under construction or previously announced will handle most of this increase.
Mike Jackson, director of North America vehicle forecasts for CSM, said Toyota might expand some existing factories, such as plants in San Antonio and Baja California, Mexico.
Yaris plant?
If Toyota were to build another Mexican assembly plant, it likely would produce the Yaris subcompact and other new vehicles from the same platform for all North American markets. Toyota now builds the Yaris for America in Japan.
Mexico got its previous-generation Yaris from France, which made it prohibitively expensive, Sturm says. Starting with the new-generation Yaris this year, Mexico is getting the car from Japan.
Toyota probably won't build Scions in Mexico even though some Scions might share underpinnings with the Yaris, Sturm says.
"We need to be close to the (Japanese) nest for Scion, to be near the engineering resources to make the quick changes and retooling necessary to keep Scion fresh," Sturm said.
Toyota is still new to the Mexican retail market, arriving in 2002. Last year Toyota sold just 35,318 units in Mexico, up from 23,876 in 2004. Toyota produced 23,670 units in Mexico last year.
Mexico's market leader is General Motors at 249,714 units, followed closely by Nissan.
The Toyota Production System (TPS) is a company-wide production method that's consistent regardless of the plant location and workforce. Anyone that thinks otherwise is either misinformed or ignorant.
I'm sure this thread will digress into the, "I wouldn't buy a Scion built in America, because the Japanese do it better" nonsense like so many other threads around here.
I'm sure this thread will digress into the, "I wouldn't buy a Scion built in America, because the Japanese do it better" nonsense like so many other threads around here.
Thats what I had to convince my mom and dad when they bought their 2000 Avalon. They wanted a car built in Japan because the workers "care more". (My mom's 83 Supra was built in Japan and 23 years later is still running and in very good shape) They didn't understand that its a company wide system. Needless to say, 6 years later they are very happy with the reliability car. Their 2002 Rav4 is no different even though it was built in Japan. Toyota has a very solid system in place.
I can understand, one of the reasons that Scion is popular with younger people (like I used to be) is because it is JDM. The bB and ist are totally Japan cute-car culture, and although the tC is ONLY available in the US it is still FROM Japan. Japan-imported is very "in" right now.
Yes, the cars will have JUST as good of quality if they are made here in the states, but they will lose a little of that cache that make them "special".
Yes, the cars will have JUST as good of quality if they are made here in the states, but they will lose a little of that cache that make them "special".
Alright, I understand the whole "JDM" thing and I have no problem with that. But the statement, there's no "friday at five" in Japan is offensive. So many threads on this subject seem to end up bashing all American auto workers. There's no doubt that a certain number of spoiled Big Three workers and the UAW have destroyed the reputation, both real and perceived, of the American auto worker. But it's simply short-sighted to lump all of them together. The average North American Toyota worker works just as hard and is just as committed to quality as their Japanese counterparts.
yes the workers work just as hard in the us and japan but the unions have made it to expensive for a company to pay US workers. I don't think that they could make a scion in the US and still have a price as low as they do.
With the exception NUMMI, the joint venture with GM, all of Toyota's production facilities are UAW-free.
The bottom line is production capacity. There just isn't room for Scion here in North America. All of Toyota's plants are already running 100%+ as it is. Plus, when looking at the big picture, the Scion sales volumn is quite small. Just not a real need or space to move production here.
The bottom line is production capacity. There just isn't room for Scion here in North America. All of Toyota's plants are already running 100%+ as it is. Plus, when looking at the big picture, the Scion sales volumn is quite small. Just not a real need or space to move production here.
Toyota manufacturing employees care more at every geographic location because they are empowered to make the changes that are neccessary to achieve the goals their supervisors set for them. It was said that the camry would be killed when they started building them here. 8 of the last 9 years at the number one spot seems to suggest otherwise.
Originally Posted by xB_Factor
With the exception NUMMI, the joint venture with GM, all of Toyota's production facilities are UAW-free.
The bottom line is production capacity. There just isn't room for Scion here in North America. All of Toyota's plants are already running 100%+ as it is. Plus, when looking at the big picture, the Scion sales volumn is quite small. Just not a real need or space to move production here.
The bottom line is production capacity. There just isn't room for Scion here in North America. All of Toyota's plants are already running 100%+ as it is. Plus, when looking at the big picture, the Scion sales volumn is quite small. Just not a real need or space to move production here.
I don't care what anyone says, the build quality is better on Japanese built cars. Compare the Nissans made in Japan to the ones made in America. (yes....I know my TC that is slowly shaking it's self apart was built in Japan)
I don't care if they use TPS and if Jesus himself was the manager of the plant, I wouldn't buy a Toyota made in Mexico. Between POS Jettas, Ford Focus, Nissan Sentra's is there a car made in Mexico that has decent build quality?
At some level you get what you pay for. Just like paying people not to work (GM) gets low quality, so does paying third world wages (even if they are marginally better third world wages)
I don't care if they use TPS and if Jesus himself was the manager of the plant, I wouldn't buy a Toyota made in Mexico. Between POS Jettas, Ford Focus, Nissan Sentra's is there a car made in Mexico that has decent build quality?
At some level you get what you pay for. Just like paying people not to work (GM) gets low quality, so does paying third world wages (even if they are marginally better third world wages)
Originally Posted by wibblywobbly
I don't care what anyone says, the build quality is better on Japanese built cars. Compare the Nissans made in Japan to the ones made in America. (yes....I know my TC that is slowly shaking it's self apart was built in Japan)
I don't care if they use TPS and if Jesus himself was the manager of the plant, I wouldn't buy a Toyota made in Mexico. Between POS Jettas, Ford Focus, Nissan Sentra's is there a car made in Mexico that has decent build quality?
At some level you get what you pay for. Just like paying people not to work (GM) gets low quality, so does paying third world wages (even if they are marginally better third world wages)
I don't care if they use TPS and if Jesus himself was the manager of the plant, I wouldn't buy a Toyota made in Mexico. Between POS Jettas, Ford Focus, Nissan Sentra's is there a car made in Mexico that has decent build quality?
At some level you get what you pay for. Just like paying people not to work (GM) gets low quality, so does paying third world wages (even if they are marginally better third world wages)
Your opening sentence shows how little you know about automotive manufacturing.
Nissan is no longer a Japanese car company. They are now 45% owned by French car maker Renault. In 1999 Renault bought a 37% stake in the company and through a series of extreme cost cust have returned to profitabilty, at least for the short term. For model year 2006, 8 of their 11 models achieved at least an average rating for reliability from Consumer Reports, with 3 of those 8 achieving a much worse than average rating. And I haven't even touched on their Infinti QX line up, which achieved worst in class rating. For this discussion, the comparison is irrellevant.
Originally Posted by wibblywobbly
I don't care what anyone says, the build quality is better on Japanese built cars. Compare the Nissans made in Japan to the ones made in America. (yes....I know my TC that is slowly shaking it's self apart was built in Japan)
I don't care if they use TPS and if Jesus himself was the manager of the plant, I wouldn't buy a Toyota made in Mexico. Between POS Jettas, Ford Focus, Nissan Sentra's is there a car made in Mexico that has decent build quality?
At some level you get what you pay for. Just like paying people not to work (GM) gets low quality, so does paying third world wages (even if they are marginally better third world wages)
I don't care if they use TPS and if Jesus himself was the manager of the plant, I wouldn't buy a Toyota made in Mexico. Between POS Jettas, Ford Focus, Nissan Sentra's is there a car made in Mexico that has decent build quality?
At some level you get what you pay for. Just like paying people not to work (GM) gets low quality, so does paying third world wages (even if they are marginally better third world wages)
What does the quality of Nissan, VW and Ford have to do with Toyotas built in the States and Canada?
Your opening sentence shows how little you know about automotive manufacturing.
Your opening sentence shows how little you know about automotive manufacturing.
The reason I mention VW, Ford and Nissan is because Nissans made in Japan are put together tighter than the ones made in Tennessee (personal experience) the Jettas built in Mexico have more problems than Passats made in Germany and the first few years of Focus built in Mexico were full of problems.
The point is, the location of a factory makes a difference in the quality. Even compare the Mercedes made in Alabama to the ones made in Germany.
Toyota may be the greatest company ever, but they are not immune to this. If you look in Consumer Reports, the most reliable cars are the ones actually built in Japan. I know the results are self reported and I know the Accords and Camrys are made in the good ol' USA, but after so many years of them saying Japanese made cars are better there has to be something to it.
As for my TC, all I can say is that it was designed quickly and cheaply and probably built the same way.
If you build a new vehicle in a new plant both will have some bugs to work out. I dont think the Toyotas that are built in KY have any real issues that their cars in Japan dont have. Assuming that you live in the US somewhere do you not feel that you could do the same job as well as someone in Japan?
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If Scions were built in the U.S. it would be 200 times easier to get the stock we needed more quickly.
But the low numbers of sales (160K) and the desire on the part of Scion to stay flexible in the production side of things means that they won't change or build a plant here to do Scion. Too expensive to re-tool.
But the low numbers of sales (160K) and the desire on the part of Scion to stay flexible in the production side of things means that they won't change or build a plant here to do Scion. Too expensive to re-tool.
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