What do you guys think?

the car is going to be tiny because every car company is bringing extremely small entry level cars so im guessing it will either be a daihatsu or toyota 2box and since its for youths no way in hell would it be any of these
Sedan
Truck
SUV
Car/Truck incarnation
sports coupe
Mini-van

None of the above!! its a trick!! its a Scion motorcycle!!!!

It's the Revival of the Mini-Truck. Havent you guys seen the news? It's the newest and most Hippist thing.

Civic Killer.

Civic Killer.

whats the tc?

Civic Killer.

Im pretty sure we have one of those already!! :D

By the sales figures, I think Scion just realized not going to crazy with car design (tC) gets a lot of attention. Although, taking cars from Japan Toyota means barely any development cost, so profit margins can be smaller. Either way, I'm just rambling.

I am thinking a sedan.

Although, taking cars from Japan Toyota means barely any development cost, so profit margins can be smaller.
You mean bigger?

thinking and hoping SUV or some sorts..

a dislecsic car with a learning disability. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Let me know if you need that one explained :wink:

you people arent thinking why in the world would Scion bring out an ordinary car when a bunch of companies are bringing cool hatchbacks and stuff and competing for the same market.

Think about this:
Nissan brings the tiida,nissan cube, march.Honda brings the fit, and stream. Hyundai brings the Getz. Suzuki comes out with the swift. Mitsubishi brings the colt. Scion comes out with a sedan,suv,mini van or a truck. Who do you think young people will go for? Damn sure wouldnt be Scion.

thinking and hoping SUV or some sorts..

SUVs are like SOOOO 2003. they're just not "cool" anymore, and vehicles getting 12 mpg don't exactly seem to fly with the younger (poorer) generation. I'd guess some kind of sedan to replace the xA. Maybe a 4-door tC? Just a guess...

I am thinking it is an xB truck too, also I dont know about you but the xB I have always looked at as a mini-suv, I was going to buy another explorer but the xB was somewhat comparable in carrying size, half the price, more reliable and looks a hell of alot better.

i hope its a truck,
and if it is
it better have power....
105-160 hp doesn't cut it.....

dude power costs money and scion wont make anything thats remotely expensive in fear of losing the cheap poor customers. but i think no power would keep more away but i guess not.

that would be dyslexic....

and americans love them some trucks...

Torque is cheaper than power :lol: meaning diesel. The TDI VDub models get extremely good gas mileage compared to gas engines. Not much HP gain but torque "What Moves you"-<scion motto :D >

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/toyota/02j6h044612795a.jpg
what about this?
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Toyota/toyota_isis_manu_05_02.jpg
or this? the toyota isis
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Toyota/2004_toyota_cs_and_s_04.jpg
i like this one... but i doubt thell make it any year soon, if ever

the es3 would work the others no.

itsgunna be a Excursion

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/2387untitled.GIF

itsgunna be a Excursion

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/2387untitled.GIF
:lol:

what an amazing mspaint job you cut n paste so well! :roll:

what an amazing mspaint job you cut n paste so well! :roll:
it was a joke..... :roll:
i hope :lol:

the problem i can see is that toyota would compete aganist itself if scion comes out with a minivan. yeah it looks dead on and all but the idea imo would be a small 1.8 or 2.0 car with a small turbo. just enough turbo to make at least 220FT-LBS. the nissan pick up would be a great target for the youth group (most of us anyway)

last i read is that the nissan 4X2 started with the blower around 23.

i dunno i voted for a weird car/ truck thingy

truck

i have no idea. scion is really edgy and cutting edge. it could be something really weird.

:? :? :?

I can't see it being an SUV or a minivan, simply because, historically, that class is 20k+. I doubt Scion would come out with a car in the 18-20k starting MSRP range.

Its going to be a roadster

Its going to be a roadster
i wish

THat type of car would round everything out perfectly

I am leaning towards this car being a Sedan. It seems that it would be "Logical" if you want to call it that to bring that style of vehicle into the market. Ofcourse it would follow Scion's pure pricing and affordability standards. Although the Scion Brand is a "Younger Generation" car keep in mind that there are many "Young" people that have families and really do not want to have either a "Box" an "Egg" nor a "2Fast2Furious...LOL (TC)" car.... :lol: :lol:

Just my 2 cents....

PS: I am not flaming the TC...just couldn't come up with a nickname for the TC....lol.. :lol:

Its going to be a roadster

I totally agree.. a Scion roadster that could outperform/nearperform the $25k 138hp MR2 Spyder for around $20k? IMHO, it's a definite possibility... Ooo.. what if it was an MR configuration, too? ;) *yeah, right*

Also, I don't think a sedan would make sense... Toyota seems to be doing well with the Corolla...

-K

Actually, I managed to get ahold of one of the new Scion dL SUVs! How awesome -- would have never suspected Scion to make something this large!

Oops, forgot to post the photo <grin>

http://www.scionlife.com/misc/mineisbiggerthanyours.jpg

Im a dork. :)

If it follows the previous models' formula, expect the dL to be a slightly tweaked version of an existing toyota model not sold in the US market.

George

ITS A MOTORCYCLE!!!
ok ok it might be a photochop (sorry dodge for stealing your bike)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/DragonFyreBD/tomahawk-againcopy.jpg

I think they should make something like the old El Camino's, a carbody/Pickup truck

Perhaps it will be the Echo Hatchback and enter into the US only under the Scion tag. :wink:

I think they should make something like the old El Camino's, a carbody/Pickup truck
Like this s13/ "truck" conversion :mrgreen:
http://turbomagazine.com/features/0401tur_drift18_z.jpg

My guess would be an unorthodoxly (sp?) shaped sedan to catch the people the small hatches and coupe didn't. The truck and roaster market seem too hard to crack, though a derivative of the next gen MR2 might seem logical as a fifth model since they're gonna can the US MR2. I can't wait. :D

I think they should make something like the old El Camino's, a carbody/Pickup truck
Like this s13/ "truck" conversion :mrgreen:
http://turbomagazine.com/features/0401tur_drift18_z.jpg

yeah i saw that i thot it was cool too.

i hope its a truck,
and if it is
it better have power....
105-160 hp doesn't cut it.....

yea everything should have a 400hp V8 and should cost under 15K

idiot

i hope its a truck,
and if it is
it better have power....
105-160 hp doesn't cut it.....

yea everything should have a 400hp V8 and should cost under 15K

idiot
wow that was actually funny .well minus the idiot part. that was overkill. lol if its a light weight truck 160 hp would be awesome. trust me weight levels off high horse a lil bit ya know?

its going to be a hatchback.. the xa is a hatch.. the xb is a hatch.. and the tc is a hatch.. so the dl's gotta be a hatch.. right?

you people arent thinking why in the world would Scion bring out an ordinary car when a bunch of companies are bringing cool hatchbacks and stuff and competing for the same market.

Think about this:
Nissan brings the tiida,nissan cube, march.Honda brings the fit, and stream. Hyundai brings the Getz. Suzuki comes out with the swift. Mitsubishi brings the colt. Scion comes out with a sedan,suv,mini van or a truck. Who do you think young people will go for? Damn sure wouldnt be Scion.You mean bring back the Swift???

My guess is its going to be more of a rally car like the WRX.

I think they should make something like the old El Camino's, a carbody/Pickup truck
thats sounds awesome

maybe with my motor idea

250HP TURBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damnit why not????

just think
around 3000lbs with some boost and over 220hp

why not.
don't mind me, im hell bent on a scion Pickup

I read somewhere I think car and driver that honda is coming out with a unibody truck like the el camino I think it will come out in 2006.

i voted for something really weird, thats why i love this brand...hahahahha

something different is always appealing in more ways than one :shock:

Vitz RS hatchback??????
http://www.trdparts.jp/image/p_vitz-rs-f-2.jpg

http://www.trdparts.jp/image/p_vitz-rs-r-2.jpg

I think it will be an MP3 player.

Don't take my word on this...

but i've been to Scion Focus Group session... and the engineers from Japan seem to be hinting at possible cross breed of a "mini-truck and coupe" with great gas mileage. Not your typical Tacoma truck...but rather a mini truck/SUV type ... but of course being Scion it will not be a conventional design.

Time will tell...

I'd get the Vitz if Scion came out w/ it.

Don't take my word on this...

but i've been to Scion Focus Group session... and the engineers from Japan seem to be hinting at possible cross breed of a "mini-truck and coupe" with great gas mileage. Not your typical Tacoma truck...but rather a mini truck/SUV type ... but of course being Scion it will not be a conventional design.

Time will tell...
Are we talking something like a Subaru Brat?

Don't take my word on this...

but i've been to Scion Focus Group session... and the engineers from Japan seem to be hinting at possible cross breed of a "mini-truck and coupe" with great gas mileage. Not your typical Tacoma truck...but rather a mini truck/SUV type ... but of course being Scion it will not be a conventional design.

Time will tell...
Are we talking something like a Subaru Brat?

No idea...they just hinted if we would be interested in a mini-pickup type of vehicle. i know they have some type of design brewing for the 4th Scion...but i have to say that it will be different, but something drastic. Probably won't be a sedan or coupe... it will likely be a mini-truck / SUV type. But who knows...

Oh nooo..... my first car was a Dodge Rampage. Look it up. It's a less-ugly Suburu Brat. Now we've got the Suburu Baha as our modern "cruck". I can't imagine what kind of monstrocity Scion (or anybody really) would turn out in that direction!

I really hope it's a mini truck of some sort, awhile back Honda had a concept called
the SPROCKET. It was a cool little FWD truck car thing. I think the Roof slid back
and coverd the "bed", you know concept stuff, bu t a cool idea to me.... anyway i'd
like to see somthing like that...

-TR

hope it fits the scion line like the Xa, XB......and is well made, Please scion make this one right.....not like thr tC!

hope it fits the scion line like the Xa, XB......and is well made, Please scion make this one right.....not like thr tC!

didn't see this post coming :roll:

and xA's aren't built that well, a friend drove me in it and wasn't too impressed. You don't see me going in the xA forums talking about how bad they are though :roll:

ya really....i happen to the the tC is the best they have come out with. the xA isnt really a performance car. and the xB isnt built for speed. more like customizing and making it look sweet, and popping in a good sound sytem.

and Cyber...what is sooo wrong with the tC and how didnt they do it right?

AS long as they don't come out with a SUV. I'm hoping for either a sporty 2 dr like a mr2 or something for young family like an odd looking 4 dr sedan but in a scion form not Toyota corrola style.

I think that everyone has been forgeting that the Scion cars that are out have an amazing amount of space for their size. I think they will most likely stick to that same thinking. The tC looked like any other 2 door car yet people actully have room in the back.... Just think about the room issue...

If they come out with a halfway decent looking and affordable hybrid. I might consider sellin' me box.

Anyone notice the shadowy dL pic on SL's front page (along side the tC, xA, xB)? Is that somekind of hint or just a generic makeup of a "sedan."

Anyone notice the shadowy dL pic on SL's front page (along side the tC, xA, xB)? Is that somekind of hint or just a generic makeup of a "sedan."

yeah whats that all about??!?!?!?!? :shock:

Anyone notice the shadowy dL pic on SL's front page (along side the tC, xA, xB)? Is that somekind of hint or just a generic makeup of a "sedan."

yeah whats that all about??!?!?!?!? :shock:

that looks like a shadow pic of a AE86 trueno :o

The Scion sales guy whom I got my TC from said that toyota may be planning to release a 2 door version of the land cruiser that is out as a concept right now. he said he had gone for some dealer model training and saw it ur sumthin (not sure if this is BS)

the XB has competition now, Nissan is planning the release of the NISSAN CUBE. One of the nissan reps said "its much more stylish/hip than the Scion XB" looks kinda funny.

Nissan is planning the release of the NISSAN CUBE. One of the nissan reps said "its much more stylish/hip than the Scion XB" looks kinda funny.

Because the Nissan Cube is actually newer than the bB/xB. Everyone basicly copied off the bB before it was released in 1999.

I've shown this pic before. I like that wench. I wonder how many lbs it could pull. It's also a 2-door with suicide mini doors...somewhat like the Element but looks better.
http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/03january/fj_cruiser12_550.jpg

http://www.toyota.com.hk/showroom/yaris_verso/specs.html

http://www.toyota.com.hk/media/hoen/images/showroom/yaris_verso/yav_03_int_01_im_hk.jpg

Somthin like that

That is probably the dumbest looking thing i have ever seen

touchfall149 is it uglier than this
http://astudios.org/fcc/hiace_faked.jpg

I think that it is safe to say its gonna look diffrent, its gonna be roomy for its size, we all know the price range, its aimed tword the younger generation. From that i have come up with this. I dont think it will be a truck of any kind, if so it wont be a two seater. I thought that a big part of scion was having a lot of room for stuff and friends to go party, ya know? I dont think it will be a sedan because itll be to close to a tC. I hadnt thought about it but after that picture i think some kinda jeep-ish thing would fit all these and be pretty cool. But then again this is commin from someone who would sell there xB for a scion porte. i think that thing is cool as hell, van doors and all!

i think the porte would be cool too but i also think its too soon. A jeep looking thing is also interesting. how does everyone one even know theres a new model? theres no mention of it on the site.
p.s. does anyone else think its wierd that the last entry was under the name dl info?

...or maybe it will look like this... :shock:

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/6695Low_xB_small2.jpg

:lol:

Oh my God!! That is...I...I'm speachless. :shock:

:shock: :shock: :P this instead plllleeeeaaassseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://vodila.net/sketch_images/366.jpg

The fourth scion will be called the CCX. I am positivley, absolutley sure.

The fourth scion will be called the CCX. I am positivley, absolutley sure. http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=car&id=1793&i=0&p=2002_toyota_ccx-1.jpg&y=2002&m=Toyota&o=ccX%20Concept

I hope this is a joke

the original question was what do we expect the dL to be... i think the better question is what should the dL be.

my answer:
take the current IS300 floorplan and slightly alter it for better stiffness. use the same hard points on the car (lowers development expense) and alter the styling accordingly, and decontent it to a level similar to the tC. keep the engine and tranny options. and finally sell the manual at 19,195 and the auto at 19,995.
a rwd scion. that's what it should be.

the original question was what do we expect the dL to be... i think the better question is what should the dL be.

my answer:
take the current IS300 floorplan and slightly alter it for better stiffness. use the same hard points on the car (lowers development expense) and alter the styling accordingly, and decontent it to a level similar to the tC. keep the engine and tranny options. and finally sell the manual at 19,195 and the auto at 19,995.
a rwd scion. that's what it should be.
Yeah yeah...but w/the 2 litre turbo motor (like the IS200 Altezza)

why do some many ppl think it'll be another compact hatch? I don't think Scion wants to typecast itself as a one car company.

I think it should be a mid-size sedan, with a decent engine and Scion trademark radical stylings. It better not be another hatch. I doubt it be an SUV or a straight truck. It might be a truck sedan hybrid thing. I think we can pretty sure its not a Mini-Van. Scion will come out with a mini-van eventually but probably not for another couple years.

I'm anxious to see what these guys have come up with.

:shock: :shock: :P this instead plllleeeeaaassseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://vodila.net/sketch_images/366.jpg

Some Chrome 20s, Aluminum Wing Spoiler and Altezzas.


I'd rock it :wink:

I personally don't like the looks of the xA hatchback but I think if Scion is coming out with another car in less than a year, it should be just a concept car. If so, it should hit car shows in less than 6 months, otherwise we have nothing to look forward to. I think they might come out with a concept sporty/sports car (convertible) no bigger than a Porsche. RWD, FWD, or AWD?

shared components have been a backbone of the auto industry for a while. a sedan would seem like a logical answer to the scion line.

here's my logic:

the tC is built on the toyota avensis chassis, which is in fact, a sedan. this allows for the tC "coupe" to have rear passenger room as well as cargo space.

if toyota was smart, they'd use the exact same chassis and motor as the tC and build a smart, sexy, roomy sports sedan to complement the lineup. the avensis is proof that a sedan would work on that chassis, since it was a sedan first after all.

to have two models that use the same chassis, engine, and transmission would just be crazy, i know. but it just may be crazy enough to work. (ahem. xA. xB. see a pattern?)

my theory is with the sedan. car companies are out to make money in the most efficient way possible, just like any large corporation. i think that this would be the most sound corporate idea.

and hey, sports sedans are fun :) can never have enough sporty saloons to rip around in!

What about that CCX could this be the DL?

I think it'll be a sedan (1st guess) or a truck. A sedan would bring the market of those that wdon't like two doors but want the scion style. Because let's face it the 115hp that the xA and xB pump out won't be enough. the xB was created to be different (catchy), the xA was made to have 4 doors and fit in parking spaces. I don't know what the truck would look like, but I'm guessing the specs will be somewhat like the tacoma.
Anyway whatever they do, it'll be hot I'm sure.

And anyone that thinks the tC is boring, is smoking the good stuff :P . It's the best small coupe on the market, HANDS DOWN.

What about that CCX could this be the DL?

unlikely. the tC seemed to have inherited the moonroof from the CCX concept. Notice also the resemblance between the CCX and the 04 Prius. I think Toyota/Scion has pretty much used up all the innovation that they put into the CCX.

well i dont think it would be aedan although it seems like a logical step for scion. would YOU want to buy a family sedan? i dont think so...remember scion was designed for the youth market and i dont think the youth demand four door sedans.. i think some thing more like a sport ute truck kind of thing like a jeep wrangler maybe...

Through the grape vine I did hear that they are planning on making a 4th Scion and the name that I did hear was the dL, but I also know that for the last year they have been talking about a sport truck of some type. If that's so, they may be looking at making a truck that sits very low (down-low). The idea is that there is a market for accessorizing trucks for shows, much like the xA, xB and tC have.

Makes sense to me........but what do I know!

Through the grape vine I did hear that they are planning on making a 4th Scion and the name that I did hear was the dL, but I also know that for the last year they have been talking about a sport truck of some type. If that's so, they may be looking at making a truck that sits very low (down-low). The idea is that there is a market for accessorizing trucks for shows, much like the xA, xB and tC have.

Makes sense to me........but what do I know!

i dont think the youth demand four door sedans.. .

must be why kids are doing whatever they can to get their hands on WRXs and Evos.

i dont think the youth demand four door sedans.. .

must be why kids are doing whatever they can to get their hands on WRXs and Evos.
I think its the HP making them go for WRX's and Evo's..
Throw 250 Horses in a car that costs under 30K and I bet that would sell too.

Nissan is planning the release of the NISSAN CUBE. One of the nissan reps said "its much more stylish/hip than the Scion XB" looks kinda funny.

Because the Nissan Cube is actually newer than the bB/xB. Everyone basicly copied off the bB before it was released in 1999.

I've shown this pic before. I like that wench. I wonder how many lbs it could pull. It's also a 2-door with suicide mini doors...somewhat like the Element but looks better.
http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/03january/fj_cruiser12_550.jpg


Actually this vehicle is coming out soon for the Toyota Line-up
David

Through the grape vine I did hear that they are planning on making a 4th Scion and the name that I did hear was the dL, but I also know that for the last year they have been talking about a sport truck of some type. If that's so, they may be looking at making a truck that sits very low (down-low). The idea is that there is a market for accessorizing trucks for shows, much like the xA, xB and tC have.

Makes sense to me........but what do I know!
doesn't toyota already have this? as in the x-runner...

Through the grape vine I did hear that they are planning on making a 4th Scion and the name that I did hear was the dL, but I also know that for the last year they have been talking about a sport truck of some type. If that's so, they may be looking at making a truck that sits very low (down-low). The idea is that there is a market for accessorizing trucks for shows, much like the xA, xB and tC have.

Makes sense to me........but what do I know!


Yeah I heard the same and that it will be out within a year or so.

8) 8) The last I heard they were supposed to unveil the next SCION at the March Geneva car show. Now whether it's going to be the new dL still remains to be seen. I also heard that it might be one of 3 vehicles. the dL, the new xB replacement or this, te next gen xA maybe the toyota wald.... But we will have to wait till March to find out. That suks!!!! :evil: :evil: http://toyota.jp/Showroom/customize/passo/custom/parts/wald/image/p_wal.jpg

:shock: :shock: :shock: If you ever wondered what the offspring of an xA and an xB would look like the WALD is the answer IMO!!!!!

yeah the Wald does look like an xA and xB went through that transporter thing from The Fly. Not bad, but I miss the overt boxiness of the xB.

:shock: :shock: :shock: If you ever wondered what the offspring of an xA and an xB would look like the WALD is the answer IMO!!!!! that is kinda scary....xA and xB mating.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought WALD was a manufacturer of body kits and such from Japan, not an actual Toyota model. :?
http://www.wald-japan.co.jp/wald/menu.html

Wald is a bodykit company. That pic is the TOyota Passo with the Wald Kit. But the Passo uses a 1L and 1.3L engines.

http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/passo/index.html

I'll take the Passo with that kit.
http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/passo/utility/images/photo2_01.jpg

It won't be a little hatch, it will be an SUV like this most likely http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Cami/index.html , lol :lol:

eewww

all i know is it better not be a SUV or Truck, because that's not what the youth wants. Isn't Scion targeting the youth? uh yeah! we want more HP! and a Hot ride.

Perhaps the next scion should be the importation of the French Brand Peugeot 206cc model.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2131831607
It will make for an affordable sports convertible with crap loads of maneuverability. These cars are just booming in Europe, and obviously France. I live near Mexico, and "rich" kids choose this car or a VW GTI. Pretty sweet, if you ask me. Scion should look into a model similar to the Peugeot 206cc, except Toyota should x2 the power! :evil:
Smack me around if you don't like this car? It came out in Car Audio and Electronics Mag: V18:2005:03 pg. 64 :P

I will have to say Truck becouse I ask my Scion dealer if there going to be any new models will be comming out he said "light truck"

I would like to see a 4 door hatch like the what saab use to have or the 01-05 Hyundai Elantra GT. But I can see Toyota rebadging the bB opendeck as a Scion.

http://www.geocities.com/sweets7pinoy/bb_opendeck.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sweets7pinoy/bb_opendeck2.jpg
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They spent so much time developing this thing I bet you it will be the DL. Maybe with a retractable rear hatch or something like that for a pickup function.

Damm, how do you all get pics to show up????????
I'm stupid!!!

http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0003/www.autobytel.com/images/carpics/Concept/ccx-400.jpg

I think it's gonna be a sedan.

look out at the rest of the world on all the vehicles available

ie.. Yaris- looks like an xa acts like an xa, must be an xa, but here is the kicker... yaris is the new replacement for the echo, go figure..

now there is a boxy van looking thing, i can't remember what its called but i was in one in bermuda, and i think maybe, just maybe that will be the next scion mV..

:lalala:
:bow:

They spent so much time developing this thing I bet you it will be the DL. Maybe with a retractable rear hatch or something like that for a pickup function.

Damm, how do you all get pics to show up????????
I'm stupid!!!

http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0003/www.autobytel.com/images/carpics/Concept/ccx-400.jpg



OMG- How many times is somebody gonna bring up the ccx? Nope :no: ...not gonna happen- they already produce the ccx. You call it the tC though

Toyota is redesigning the Rav4 to be bigger (6" smaller than the Highlander) and with a V6 option.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a small cross-over utility vehicle in the Scion line-up to fill the small SUV gap left in the Toyota line-up.

Some other post said it died? I bought my car, so I probably will not have the money to buy a DL no matter what it looks like. I got my car with a 30 year ballon payment loan and will be paying for this my whole life........GO SCION!!!! They got me!

http://www.otoons.com/eso/images/contract.gif

I just damn hope its nothing better that my xA RS 2.0, then i have to pour some liquid gasoline into my car then light it up with a match damn it! lol

i hope its a truck

My bet is a small suv(like the daihatsu be-go)/mini-sport truck(like i dunno what) or a convertible (MR-2 succesor)......maybe both even, one after the other

I will have to say Truck becouse I ask my Scion dealer if there going to be any new models will be comming out he said "light truck"

I really doubt that the dealers know much more than the automotive press knows.

I'd really like to see a small, capable 4WD along the lines of the old Suzuki Samurai. I doubt we'll see it, though, because it would cut into the sales of the new FJ-schmoozer.

George