I have NEVER been so proud of the U.S.A as I am right now!!! change is coming!!! OMFG this is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!Michelle Obama is that you? I am sick of hearing that statement! You have never been prouder of America!?!?! Are you serious?? Don't get me wrong it is a great day, but really?

I have NEVER been so proud of the U.S.A as I am right now!!! change is coming!!! OMFG this is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!Michelle Obama is that you? I am sick of hearing that statement! You have never been prouder of America!?!?! Are you serious?? Don't get me wrong it is a great day, but really?

She is entitled to her opinion....it may be the proudest moment for her. Each of us have our own ideals....and this is an amazing history making moment.

I was watching The View this morning. Whoopi said something that brought tears to my eyes. She said that she called her mom and asked her mom if she ever thought she would see this day. She said her mom is the most progressive woman she knows and expected her mom to say "YES" very emphatically.....but her mom said no. Whoopi said that caught her off guard and she started thinking...

She said that she is an American and always felt like an American...but today she feels like she can finally put her suitcase down.

It was so profound that it really hit me. Sherri was in tears talking about her conversation with her son. It was moving and brought tears to my eyes

There are many people who feel this the proudest moment in the USA....And indeed it is an amazingly proud moment. So many years of telling our kids they could be anything they wanted....this is a giant leap in the direction that they really can...no matter their race or gender!

Why? Why do we need to define it by race? He's an American just like every other American. He will be President!

I posted this in another thread:
Since we all live in the very P.C. country we live in I would like to point out that we have the first interracial President-elect. Go America for "breaking through the racial barrier". I thought this race had nothing to do with race? Allow me to elaborate. The reason I say this is because race realtions and P.C. mentality go hand in hand. We haven't borken through any barrier when Americans continue to say things such as "breaking through the racial barrier", "as a black person", and many other divisive statements Americans use daily. We should all be Americans first not Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Native Americans, and any other hyphenated nationality you can fit before being an American! Until you get rid of those divisive terms we shall never "break through the racial barrier".

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I have a renewed faith in the USA!

+2I am sorry that you two ever had wavering trust in the USA. I wouldn't trust any other country with my life.

Why? Why do we need to define it by race? He's an American just like every other American. He will be President!
It's because sometime about 40-odd years ago, he couldn't even sit in the same section as you in a restaurant, and his section probably didn't even have chairs. And now he holds the highest office in the country.

Just because you can't appreciate that, doesn't mean nobody else can. My friend's father was speechless, telling us how he grew up in Alabama and watching the civil rights movement unfold. We "define it by race" because America defined his race during the civil rights movement and the Civil War.

I am sorry that you two ever had wavering trust in the USA. I wouldn't trust any other country with my life.
It's my given right as an American citizen to have a dissenting opinion and question my government, and my duty to exercise those rights as I feel necessary.

I stopped trusting my country when my country stopped trusting me. My country violated my trust when it lied to me about invading a foreign country. My country violated my trust when it saw me as a terrorist. My country violated my trust when it determined that I didn't need to know what it was doing anymore.

Of course I can appreciate at that he is going to be the first interracial President, but let's not make it just about that. Let's see what he and the Democrat majority can accomplish. Let that define him.

^i dont see anything about trust in those posts!
and if you dont think it has been going down the crapper the last eight years.. uhhhhhh ok.
go try getting a home loan right now...lmao
and no i dont trust our goverment.. but hey thats a diffrent thread i could go on for hours about.
all i wanted to do is give congrats to obama and a change cant come fast enough.

Why? Why do we need to define it by race? He's an American just like every other American. He will be President!

I posted this in another thread:
Since we all live in the very P.C. country we live in I would like to point out that we have the first interracial President-elect. Go America for "breaking through the racial barrier". I thought this race had nothing to do with race? Allow me to elaborate. The reason I say this is because race realtions and P.C. mentality go hand in hand. We haven't borken through any barrier when Americans continue to say things such as "breaking through the racial barrier", "as a black person", and many other divisive statements Americans use daily. We should all be Americans first not Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Native Americans, and any other hyphenated nationality you can fit before being an American! Until you get rid of those divisive terms we shall never "break through the racial barrier".

If your whole point of supplying this opinion is to prove how P.C. our nation is, please make sure you know what you are talking about. (i.e. "Asian-Americans...African-Americans" do not have dashes)

Congrats to Obama!! the crook deserves it...he made history thats correct .....but history making isnt always a good thing.
you dems need to be informed....if i described to you 4yrs ago the exact description of Obama and his views and policies his rhetoric lies. Biden said he will be tested in less than 6 months of him in office. His 250k to 200k to 150k tax cut bs, his intentions to deminish the coal industry and his statement that he will make energy cost skyrocket, to his radical friends!!! I mean that right there is enough. hey if i told you a minority who has radical anti-white/american friends is running for office would you vote for him??? He (Obama) turned it into a racial vote. its sad but congrats to him i hope he does a good job if not the ppl will speak again in 2 years. But gotta praise him now GO OBAMMMMA WHOOOOOO yeah Time for change yeahhhh...change to socialism lol

he is his brothers keeper yeah right....he talks about spread the wealth but yet he doesnt donate to charity if he does its a dismal amout biden donated 1300 of the millions he is worth. Obama aunt lives in a slum and his brother in a hut. He wants to spread the wealth alright. Ill quit my job and live off you fools lol i praise obama!!!!! Hail obama!!! but if he had different views on certain things I would have probably voted for the guy maybe if he ran a campain saying i love america for its freedom and giving me the opportunitty to get me where i am. From being poor minority to going to hardvard to being in the whitehouse its a feel good story but he has views that i oppose greatly.

Quit your jobs and live off the rich ppl OBAMA will take care of you and the economy will crumble he wants us to make us unmotivated. we wont want to do good for ourselves and live the american dream make the millions WHY bc we will be taxed out the bunghole....Change OWnes 2008!!!!

yeah i gotta stop it and just deal with it just venting but i do wish him the best im done with this topic

Thanks for venting.........and remember you too should be in front of the line when you quit your job.........are you really sure at your age you understand reality........good luck to you. :bow:

lltysonll, the way you string together your fundamentalist neo-conservative rhetoric in an unapologetically inconcise and vitriolic manner, you strike me as someone who listens to Michael Savage.

Just sayin'.

^i dont see anything about trust in those posts!
and if you dont think it has been going down the crapper the last eight years.. uhhhhhh ok.
go try getting a home loan right now...lmao
and no i dont trust our goverment.. but hey thats a diffrent thread i could go on for hours about.
all i wanted to do is give congrats to obama and a change cant come fast enough.faith -noun: confidence or trust in a person or thing
We've only being going down the crapper for aprox. 2 years. I don't want to discuss politics. I wanted to discuss the hypocracy of the belief that we are breaking through some racial barrier. You know what I think is funny? The fact that we step up and elect a black man. A HUGE civirl rights movement in my opinion. Yet, in three states where ___ marriage was on the ballot to be considered legal or not it was stomped into the ground. Where are the civil rights equality?

You forgot to include the example in that definition, jsa.
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

If I have no trust in Bush's ability to competently guide my country in a progressive direction, and I have no confidence in my otherwise elected government's ability to do anything about that, I have no faith in my country.

I had no faith in a conservative slant being what's best for my country for the past seven years, and I voiced my right to dissent against it with my pen yesterday. Turns out, I wasn't alone.

I am glad we live in the greatest country in the world. I am proud of my country EVERY DAY because we can have these conversations without prosecution. We can talk our government lower than a dog, and let the terrorists see how hateful we are to our own country that it glee's them, yet we are allowed to roam the streets! In any other country, you would be silenced. I am as proud today to be an American as I was 8 years ago. I love my country and I take great pride in being an American.

I actually like my dogs more than I've liked my government the past eight years... but anybody that personally knows me knows that I revere my dogs more than I revere most of humanity.

If your measure of "greatest country in the world" is simply that we have the freedom to dissent, then most of the world is actually the "greatest country in the world". The sort of jingoistic nationalism that you're espousing right now is the other reason (besides, you know, blowing up countries) why the rest of the world just sort of cocks an eyebrow at us. If you honestly think that we're the only country on Earth where people can openly dissent against their government without retribution, you should do some traveling.

Nice one with the "if we aren't patriotic, the terrorists win!", too. Bush tried a similar move, and it backfired. If you think that terrorists get off on John Doe America saying that he doesn't like his government, you should probably re-evaluate what you think priorities of terrorists are.

amen and they all ready making moves russia missles to polan. hamas fired missles at isreal this moringing .... the radicals are celebrating. spread the wealth marxism at its best.

I am not saying you don't question your country, but you sure as hell shouldn't bash it! You don't like it and you've done some traveling, yet it's not the greatest country in the world...YOU ARE IN AMERICA AREN'T YOU??? Why didn't you stay where it was better? I didn't vote for Mr. Obama and I don't believe exactly what he does, but I refuse to bash him because I want this country to succeed. If we don't back our President then he has no backbone because the citizens are the backbone to any country. The government is nothing without its people!

Russia deploys missiles everywhere. The election has nothing to do with their being insanely paranoid, as they've always been like that. Good job trying to link Obama to Russia being crazy, though.

Israel and Palestine fire missiles at each other every goddamn day. The specific attack you're mentioning was actually because, BIG SURPRISE HERE, people on one side of the fighting killed people on the other. Again, nice try linking Obama to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

I really want to believe you're a troll.

What an amazing country we live in....we have the right to openly express our opinions, our thoughts and our emotions....wow....opinions are like a%%holes everybody has one and you are entitled to them...BUT this thread has turned HORRIBLY negative and that is wrong!! This whole thread was started on a positive note. Both McCain AND Obama worked hard to get the honor to run for the highest position in our country they are BOTH amazing men wanting to do amazing things, but the fact of the matter is we as americans choose Obama! I helped make that decision and I have faith in this man, I have faith that he will make good decisions that will down the road make my children's life a good one.......but either way we look at it people are ALWAYS going to complain about the president...if friggin Bart Simpson was president we would complain...we are a country that LOOOVES to complain...so whatever I am proud that I still have the right to make my own decisions when it comes to MY body!!! I am a woman and I am a mother and I want my children to have a bright future and I made my decision with that in the front of my mind...........if you attack me because of MY opinion o well like I said at the begining opinions are like ------ everyone has one and this one just so happened to be mine get over it...

I am not saying you don't question your country, but you sure as hell shouldn't bash it! You don't like it and you've done some traveling, yet it's not the greatest country in the world...YOU ARE IN AMERICA AREN'T YOU??? Why didn't you stay where it was better? I didn't vote for Mr. Obama and I don't believe exactly what he does, but I refuse to bash him because I want this country to succeed. If we don't back our President then he has no backbone because the citizens are the backbone to any country. The government is nothing without its people!
So wait, you're saying this country is the greatest country on earth because we have the right to freely and openly dissent... but that we shouldn't take advantage of said right?

I didn't say any other country was "better". I said that if we're using the measure to which countries give their citizens free speech, this is not the sole "best" country. Also, exchange rates to most countries would make me too poor to live there.

I will "bash" anyone who is in office to the fullest extent of the laws of the land and common sense, President-elect Obama included, because it's my right to do so. If we don't critisize and dissent against our President, then nothing will change.

It's government...both McCain and Obama work for the same people. The change was empty. I am sorry. I heard the word change, but never hear it followed by how! He is pushing the same ideals that Presdent Clinton did when he was in office. We were in war. He took us out. We had lower taxes. He allowed the tax breaks to expire. It's the same old song and dance.

Just an observation....I have seen many blogs and message boards after the elections this time and previous years. It really does come across to me that those that voted Republican this year are really upset and slamming others for voting for Obama. It really seems like they are acting like sore losers....I believe that if McCain won sure *I* would be upset, but I don't go around slamming others for having their OWN political beliefs. We are all different...we have different reasons for voting for who we did.

Why does it seem everything with some Republicans who go around boards slamming people that everything has to be gloom and doom? Geesh it just might be that Obama does pull this country out of the mess Bush made of it the past several years....but Republicans refuse to see that.

McCains speech was wonderful....if whoever wrote that speech ran the rest of his campaign he might have had a better chance.

He lost....get over it. Seriously this is getting rediculous!

^^ Very well put Jenn....

A personal observation of my own..look at our track record with presidents....when a Republican sits in office our country ends up financially in the hole...and then comes along a Democrat fixed the problem and things start looking better....then we mess up again and elect a republican who takes us back down.....it's a cycle...just my observation why can't we just stop the bashing be proud that we live in a country where we get to decide who will lead us...majority rules Obama won McCain lost that's just how it is deal with it..stop being spiteful cause you didn't get things your way....

I agree Jenn! This bashing is too much. If McCain won I wouldn't be on here with tears in my beer crying foul and all that. enough is enough....whining and _____ing won't change anything... We all need some TOLERANCE.....if more people were taught tolerance this world would be a different place!

I thought this was a Scion forum.

Why does it seem everything with some Republicans who go around boards slamming people that everything has to be gloom and doom? Geesh it just might be that Obama does pull this country out of the mess Bush made of it the past several years....but Republicans refuse to see that.
Because their minds are still firmly planted in the vitriolic Rovian neo-conservative gutter that those like Rove and O'Reilly and Savage create; anything other than neo-conservatives in power will lead to the country's downfall.

You see the same thing with fundamentalist religion: anything other than <religion> will be society's undoing. They also exhibit their fear of losing perceived power the same way; universal hate and doomsaying.

how 'bout that stock market short fall the past few days... whats up with that?

I thought this was a Scion forum.
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Did I mis-read the subject of this topic in the Pacific Northwest Regional Forum or something?

I could swear it said "Congrats..." and was in a regional forum.

*checking*

Yup! That's what it said!

Why do we have a whole bunch of incredibly negative, name-calling, anti-congratulatory posts from other parts of the country in here?

Can't you folks pick enough fights elsewhere? Why in a regional congratulatory topic?

I'm locking this topic and asking politely that those who are just here to argue and complain find somewhere else to do it.

In fact, if I find the time I will split this topic into two separate topics, one for congratulatory posts right here in the PNW and the other over in the Off-Topic Cafe for all the folks from here and elsewhere who can find nothing better to do than to complain and cause dissension.

Tom

OK, this is the dregs from an up-beat topic over in the PNW regional forum - mostly posts made by people from other than that region in direct opposition to the intent of that topic.

It has been moved here to the Off-Topic Cafe so those intent on being as negative as possible have a place to do it.

(Not every topic is an invitation for you to jump in and bash other people's opinions. Don't do it...)

Tom

Tomas you make me LOL sometimes....

I do try to be polite, Scott. :)

Doesn't always work. :(

Oh, well.

Could I ask you to help me keep an eye on the incredible amount of bashing of fellow ScionLife members being done by the conservative complainers who cannot seem to accept that the election is OVER and they LOST?

Thanks! :D

exchange rates to most countries would make me too poor to live there.You can live like a king in Iceland, Mexico, and the Philippines. My pick would be Iceland.

how 'bout that stock market short fall the past few days... whats up with that?Have you paid attention to it over the last few weeks?? It's been doing it for weeks.
Here it is...
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So yea, it's been stellar up until today. :roll:

The stock market is ALWAYS a rollercoaster. Even in times of turmoil.

By the way, I forgot who it was that tried to use the "go try for a home loan" argument in here because that's what has been in the news.

I just bought a house the day before the election and got a home loan to do it. It isn't tough if you have a job, and a good credit score. The loan crisis is coming from a large portion of people who just stopped paying their bills. Not singling out one economic group, but thats what happened. If the rich stopped paying, they would foreclose. If the poor stop paying, they foreclose quicker.

how 'bout that stock market short fall the past few days... whats up with that?Have you paid attention to it over the last few weeks?? It's been doing it for weeks.
Here it is...
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So yea, it's been stellar up until today. :roll:
You use a Mac, don't you?

Yea, how'd you guess?

(Probably the look of your graphic?)

Beats me, I just cropped a screenshot of Google Finance.

(Yeah, Mac text usually looks a little cleaner and more professional in those charts.) :)

Tomas got it. :P

(Not bad for a guy who has never used Windows, eh, CDogbert? http://www.tijil.org/blog/?p=10 ) :)

I hadn't really noticed it before...
Here it is on my work comp.
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And the Mac
http://i34.tinypic.com/2chnng8.jpg

(You're being very parenthetical today, Tom)

(I'm feeling very parenthetical...) :P

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I have a renewed faith in the USA!

+2I am sorry that you two ever had wavering trust in the USA. I wouldn't trust any other country with my life.

NO now they have trust that ur PRESIDENT george bush is out and done ruining the country more then it is...a full 8 years of hot garbage

:clap: Thank you Tomas! When I came across this thread the first time I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

I understand discussion is inevitable after a meaningful day like that was but gosh!

I don't get how people can say that the past 8 years have been horrible! I don't think we should've ever gotten in the war we are in, but you know what...we are in it! The men and women who signed up for the military knew what signed up for and what they were getting into. They didn't have to go to war if they didn't want to. They'd just have to deal with the consequences to their actions. I am sorry that they died, but happy they gave their lives to protect every Americans' freedoms. The first 6 years weren't bad in my opinion...it's only been the past two that haven't been any good. President Bush isn't the smartest man to ever run this country, but part of the reason he didn't get things done in the last 2 years is because he didn't have enough people backing him in Congress. The President has a very important role in government, but he (imho) is not the supreme power! The power is of the people! We hold the power. Ever thought it may have been all of US who decided to close our eyes and put on cruise control throughtout it all?

As to the folks who volunteered for military service, it is a two-way
street. Those folks promise to faithfully protect the Constitution and
the Country, but in turn deserve to be treated honestly.

They volunteered with the understanding that thy might have to give
their lives to accomplish that protection, but they did not volunteer to
give their lives for any other reason.

By being asked to give their lives for a lie, to support what may
indeed be a personal vendetta by officials out of control or at least
not using due diligence, their lives have been given for something
that was NOT part of the honest contract they made.

I, too, volunteered for military service (many years ago), I put MY life
between my country, my family, and war's desolation. I was lied to, also.

See, I actually believed that the leaders of my government were
telling me the truth when they said that I needed to do something for
the country. I was naive.

I woke up one day as I was analyzing Bomb Strike Damage
Assessment images in my little shop in the Central Highlands of
Vietnam.

In the background our tiny black and white TV was tuned to the only
TV station, AFRTS, Saigon, and on it President Nixon was saying very
solemnly that we were not involved in any military actions of any kind
in Laos or Cambodia, never had been and wouldn't be.

The images I was analyzing were from that day's strikes in those
countries.

We had been running those for weeks, pounding specific targets
'out-country.'

My president was lying, and the proof of that lie was in my hands as
he spoke.

I lost my innocence that day. Some of the boys who worked for me
there lost more than their innocence. :(

The same sort of things are happening to today's volunteers - they
volunteered to serve their country, to protect it and it's Constitution.
Instead they are being mis-used for some other goal and losing their
lives.

My brothers-in-arms did not volunteer to give their lives for any
random thing, they volunteered for something specific. Read the oath.

If you have sworn that oath and put your life on the line I'll listen if
you think I'm wrong.

Sorry to get a little off topic here, but honor required a response.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me
God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording
first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

exchange rates to most countries would make me too poor to live there.You can live like a king in Iceland, Mexico, and the Philippines. My pick would be Iceland.

Who the hell want's to live in Mexico? Mexican's don't even wanna live in Mexico.

Heh.

No comment. :D

Thank you for your comment, Tomas. I have not sworn that oath. I thank, appreciate, and owe my life to all that have. I apologize if I offended you.

TheWhiteChicken009, I wasn't saying it was some place you wanted to live. I just said the exchange rate was really good.

Just an observation....I have seen many blogs and message boards after the elections this time and previous years. It really does come across to me that those that voted Republican this year are really upset and slamming others for voting for Obama. It really seems like they are acting like sore losers....I believe that if McCain won sure *I* would be upset, but I don't go around slamming others for having their OWN political beliefs. We are all different...we have different reasons for voting for who we did.

Why does it seem everything with some Republicans who go around boards slamming people that everything has to be gloom and doom? Geesh it just might be that Obama does pull this country out of the mess Bush made of it the past several years....but Republicans refuse to see that.

McCains speech was wonderful....if whoever wrote that speech ran the rest of his campaign he might have had a better chance.

He lost....get over it. Seriously this is getting rediculous!

yeah, but somehow, us disagreeing with the choice of obama is "slamming". or we're ignorant, or racist. This guy has talked. ALOT. and he is a good speaker. but can he deliver? that remains to be seen. with mccain, at least we had a past record to judge by, with obama, there's hardly anything.

just sayin.

Here is what I posted earlier, but without the military reference:
The first 6 years weren't bad in my opinion...it's only been the past two that haven't been any good. President Bush isn't the smartest man to ever run this country, but part of the reason he didn't get things done in the last 2 years is because he didn't have enough people backing him in Congress. The President has a very important role in government, but he (imho) is not the supreme power! The power is of the people! We hold the power. Ever thought it may have been all of US who decided to close our eyes and put on cruise control throughout it all?

And shupes, saying what you did is just fine. :)

What we don't need ANY of on ScionLife is attacks on other members for what they think or believe.

There is a big difference between disagreeing and discussing a thought, and attacking the person for HAVING that thought.

Quite honestly, I've voted every chance I've been able to since 1967, and this particular election has had the absolutely worst mannered response from those who did not win.

All we are asking is that disagreement be kept cordial and if you cannot do that, to take it elsewhere.

I don't feel that's too much to ask or too difficult to understand.

Nobody is "slamming" anyone who disagrees with Obama being elected president, and nobody is "slamming" anyone who wants to actually have a discussion about it.

People are "slamming" the ignorant remarks that some people are just callously putting up without any regard for decency or discussion. The overwhelming majority of things said on the side of people against Obama actually HAVE been either just needless "slams" or ignorant or racist.

If someone wants to have a discussion about how they think Obama isn't going to be a good President, then that's fine, but the "LOL SOCIALISM" comments should stay home.

I'm just jazzed that I don't have to worry too much about Palin.



For now.

Sadly I doubt she's going away...

That being said...

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