Well ladies and gentelman, it is OFFICIAL...Today I made the long a$$ drive from my side of town to Todd's neck of the wood's and dropped off my xD so that he could work his magic and turbo my xD...Todd will have my xD for approximately a month or so and was nice enough to give me a loaner... :clap: Todd will be sending me pics of the progress but I have been sworn to secrecy and will not be posting any pics until it is COMPLETE...I assure you, we are taking no short cuts and everything will be done right...I can not wait to this thing is done and I will post tons of pics once it is finished... :love:

I want to give a BIG THANKS to my brother for sponsoring a portion of this turbo set-up...I want to give a BIG THANKS to Todd @ TT for taking my xD for this task and answering all of my questions... :bow: :bow:

So let the journey begin... :nails:

04/08/09

First of all, I want to thank Todd at TT for talking with me today and answering ALL of my questions...Todd and I have come to an agreement and for the people that have been following this thread I have some great news... Clap

TODD IS GONNA USE MY xD FOR THE TURBO PROJECT... Bow I can't wait and we should be able to get started sometime next week...

Just so you guys know, I am a complete turbo noob so I am learning as I go along...I learned alot by just talking with Todd today and also with Luis (ARIZONATURBO) here on SL...

I will try to keep you guys updated and I will let you know all the particulars when we decide on what turbo we go with...

Ok we are going with the Garrett GT2803 turbo...We are doing AEM FIC for management and full tune so I will have dyno numbers when were done...After talking with Todd, we never actually committed to a HP number but he did say over 200 to the wheels...Maybe Todd can chime in and say what number he expects...Just so everyone knows, mine is an AUTOMATIC...I'd be happy with 200... :pray:

I will hopefully be dropping my car off Monday morning and Todd will have it for a month or so...

this is great! its finally getting done!

i added a few things to your post, hopefully answering a few questions for lurkers

gonna have to start transferring more of my paychecks into savings for this, lol

congrats.... but why is he starting more projects when there are others still waiting... like seriously a year almost if not more...

congrats.... but why is he starting more projects when there are others still waiting... like seriously a year almost if not more...

Please dont make comments about something you no nothing about.

Yes people are still waiting, but not for production. And there stuff is totally different that what I am working on now. They are totally separate.

Regards-

Todd

Not to thread jack but todd ill be in Mesa AZ in may 7th through the 17th was wondering do you allow customer traffic to check out the shop :) wanted to see if could stop by and check things out

Spipe?

Spipe?

The xD does not utilize an s-pipe :wink:

Regards-

Todd

PS- I am playing along with Matt

My savings account shall be seeing activity :P

Well change of plans...On Tuesday, Todd went to his Garrett distributor to pick up my GT2803 turbo but after he took one look at it he realized it was a no go...He could have made it work but would have had to make alot of modifications and we didn't want to go that route...

So after much discussion with Todd and Luis (ARIZONATURBO) we decided to go with the Garrett t3 Super60...

Todd says were still on schedule so i'm hoping another (3) weeks or so...

goos luck with everything hope all goes well. will be watching

Garrett GT2803
Garrett t3 Super 60

How do the specs for these turbos differ?
and
What was the problem with the 2803? Housing too big?

I thought this was supposed to be a side mount turbo... so the size of the housing should not be that relevant.

How do the specs for these turbos differ?
and
What was the problem with the 2803? Housing too big?

I thought this was supposed to be a side mount turbo... so the size of the housing should not be that relevant.

Size had nothing to do with it...

changing factors:

1. GT2803 has 2" 2 bolt compressor inlet
2. GT2802 has 3 bolt compressor outlet.

Both of those would have required allot more work and added to the cost. I could have made it work, but was not part of the plan at this time.

The super 60 has a 2.5" standard inlet and a 2" outlet. Much easier to work with in this particular situation.

Regards-

Todd

Couple small questions:
Are we looking at any modifcation to the bumper support?
Will it make use of the stock air box / compatible with aftermarket intakes?
Will the downpipe make use of the stock cats or are we looking at custom piping for that?

nice, good luck.. you're one of the lucky guys that todd himself personally work on the car

Are we looking at any modifcation to the bumper support?


You have to drill 2 holes in the bumper support for the intercooler mouting brackets. (can be done on the car)

Will it make use of the stock air box / compatible with aftermarket intakes?

Intake is a cold air style with air filter located in area in front of driverside tire.

Will the downpipe make use of the stock cats or are we looking at custom piping for that?

Downpipe mounts to factory exhaust, where the header bolted up

Hope that helps

Regards-

Todd

Yup, thanks Todd :)

Todd,

What are you planning to use for engine management for this first build?

FIC? Emanage? Standalone?

I'm really interested on how the engine management part of the project goes. Mainly because the Yaris guys have had a nightmare trying to tune the car for FI using the common piggybacks. I know of 4 people that have tried the FIC with no success. One of them even took it to AEM and even they were not able to figure out how to make it work ok.

I don't have the exact details of what were the problems... I just know they are having problems with it.

Since, you don't provide the engine management solution along with the kit, would you at least give a recomendation about it? Or some pointers in order to make it work?

I think that would be a critical aspect in order to make this kit succesfull..!


Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

What does Toyota use on their turboed 1nz models?

watching

i say pics when you get your stuff!!!

What does Toyota use on their turboed 1nz models?

The TRD turbo kit for the first gen Yaris TS came with replacement ECU tuned specifically for that kit.

Todd,

What are you planning to use for engine management for this first build?

FIC? Emanage? Standalone?

I'm really interested on how the engine management part of the project goes. Mainly because the Yaris guys have had a nightmare trying to tune the car for FI using the common piggybacks. I know of 4 people that have tried the FIC with no success. One of them even took it to AEM and even they were not able to figure out how to make it work ok.

I don't have the exact details of what were the problems... I just know they are having problems with it.

Since, you don't provide the engine management solution along with the kit, would you at least give a recomendation about it? Or some pointers in order to make it work?

I think that would be a critical aspect in order to make this kit succesfull..!


Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

Were they cutting and splicing wires? Or did they have some sort of harness to use?

Todd,

What are you planning to use for engine management for this first build?

FIC? Emanage? Standalone?

I'm really interested on how the engine management part of the project goes. Mainly because the Yaris guys have had a nightmare trying to tune the car for FI using the common piggybacks. I know of 4 people that have tried the FIC with no success. One of them even took it to AEM and even they were not able to figure out how to make it work ok.

I don't have the exact details of what were the problems... I just know they are having problems with it.

Since, you don't provide the engine management solution along with the kit, would you at least give a recomendation about it? Or some pointers in order to make it work?

I think that would be a critical aspect in order to make this kit succesfull..!


Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

Were they cutting and splicing wires? Or did they have some sort of harness to use?

cutting and splicing as there is no P&P harnes available for the Yaris... same as there is no (nor will be) harness for the xD

well than lets hope and pray everyone thus far has been incorrect with what they are cutting and splicing

CASTREX is correct...Unfortunately, there is no plug-n-play harness yet for the xD...However, UMS Tuning here in Az will be hardwiring the AEM FIC and doing the tuning and dyno'ing so it is in good hands...

Stuff should be going to coater Wednesday and maybe dyno late this week...If not, dyno will be next week... :pray:

Just so you guys know, this is going to be as much of a surprise to you as it is me...I have not seen any pictures and have not been to Todd's since I dropped my car off... :nails: I keep in touch with Todd almost daily mostly by text because he is very busy...

I'm hoping to get my car back within the next couple weeks...I sure miss my xD, but i'm sure the finished product will be worth the wait... :love:

Cant wait to see this!

Cant wait to see this!

Um, neither can I... :P

bump for updates!

bump for updates!

Don't really have any...Stuff should be done at the powder coater this week, may be done now, and then Todd will re-install everything...Then it's off to UMS for AEM FIC install, tuning and dyno...I'm hoping to have it back next week... :pray: Been a month now, starting to miss my car and getting anxious to see what it looks like...I still have not seen anything...It will be a big surprise... :pray:

Nothing new? Not at all? Been 6 days since you're last update YeloSub...

Got a text from Todd Saturday saying that he should have some pics Tues or Wed of the turbo installed...Then the gauges get wired and then it's off to UMS for the the wiring of the AEM FIC, tuning, and then dyno...I'm hoping and praying I get it back next week sometime...

Got a text from Todd Saturday saying that he should have some pics Tues or Wed of the turbo installed...Then the gauges get wired and then it's off to UMS for the the wiring of the AEM FIC, tuning, and then dyno...I'm hoping and praying I get it back next week sometime...

PLEASE try to gather as much details as possible from the FIC installation and tunning process.

This is the KEY to having some aftermarket FI support....


If these guys can make the FIC work properly on this car and can provide some guidance regarding the installation... then I will be saving my pennies for this kit. The quality of Todds kit is not a worry, I'm sure it will be top notch... is the electonics...

...And by working properly I mean they are able to tune fuel and timing in both close and open loop with no poping CEL's.
To some, the part thottle tune might no be that important but depeding on the turbo you select and how soon the engine sees boost it could be crtical.

Keep the updates coming!!!

We want to see pics!

I will...And I want to see pics too...LOL...It's been 35 days and I have not seen a thing...Todd lives pretty far from me so I have not been to his house since the day I dropped it off...Todd says he has taken lots of pics for me...I know the wait will be worth it in the long run, I'm excited to see Todd's magic...

Also, Todd assures my that with the fic there will be NO CEL's, that is why we went with it...With the Greddy, you will have a CEL and I didn't want that...

Hows the tranny going to hold up? Is he using anything like a transmission cooler for ur A/T?

Ok, stuff took longer than expected at powder coater but from what Todd said they are done and he is picking the parts up in the morning...He's installed the gauges and he also agreed to build me a full exhaust... :clap: So far I have not seen any pics and have not ventured over to his house to see anything...Waiting for the big surprise just like the rest of you... :nails: Hopefully the turbo will be installed over the weekend or early next week, exhaust parts get here Tuesday, and then off to UMS for the scary stuff (AEM FIC, tune, and dyno)...Praying :pray: all goes well...

As far as a transmission cooler, I asked Todd and he said to hold off so for now it's a NO...

Dude, no offense to you or Todd, but I think you should at least get some progress pics...

Todd assures me he has been taking pics of the progression so there is no need to bother him with it...Would I like to see pics, absolutely but I know he's busy...If I don't get pics before I pick up my car oh well...As long as Todd has pics saved for me of the entire progress from the beginning to the end then I will be happy...

Update...Talked with Todd on the phone Friday evening...Said that he picked up pieces from powder coater and that he will start installing most of it on Monday...By the way Todd says the parts look sick...Will install exhaust on Tuesday...Has to still pick up mani and dp which is already done and waiting to be picked up from the coater...Possibly off to tuner's by the end of the week...So maybe just maybe I will have my car back by this next weekend, if not I will probably have it back the following week...Keeping fingers crossed...

Yelosub, so we are talking this weekend?

I need Todds contact info btw... lol

Txt sent bro.

so whats going on with it ?

Yelosub, so we are talking this weekend?

I need Todds contact info btw... lol


Looks like cessblood hooked you up with Todd's contact info, if not shoot me a PM...

Looks like it may be this week :pray: if all goes well...UMS tuning shop here in Az is really busy so waiting on a day this week for AEM FIC install, tune, and dyno...It will be a total surprise to me...No pics, haven't seen any of it yet...I will be out of town Thurs-Sun so if its not done before then I guess I will have to pick it up Monday...

:tap:

Well I got some texts from Todd the other day telling me I won't be getting my car back by Monday next week...From what I understand, the tuning shop, UMS, doesn't take appointments and they are booked all this week from what Todd was saying...Asked when I would get it back but didn't get an answer so I don't really have any updates for you guys...Still no pics so I guess I will just se it when I pick it up...Wish I had more to tell you guys, sorry...I know Todd is busy and is working on other things as I am not his only customer...Yes it took longer then the month we had originally planned for but that's the way things go when you start from scratch...If I hear anything else I will let you all know...

PS...He did say the piping looked sick...

So whats the address to UMS?

THANKS FOR THE INFO

So whats the address to UMS?

Using google, I show (2) UMS in Az...I'm pretty sure Todd told me he's taking it to the one in Mesa so here is the address:

1716 W Broadway Rd
Mesa, AZ 85202
(480) 446-8863

So whats the address to UMS?

Using google, I show (2) UMS in Az...I'm pretty sure Todd told me he's taking it to the one in Mesa so here is the address:

1716 W Broadway Rd
Mesa, AZ 85202
(480) 446-8863

ok good... now drive there and look at your xD!!! LOL

i wouldnt be so shocked if UMS was packed, they do really good work there. they can pretty much tune any car and with really good prices

So whats the address to UMS?

Using google, I show (2) UMS in Az...I'm pretty sure Todd told me he's taking it to the one in Mesa so here is the address:

1716 W Broadway Rd
Mesa, AZ 85202
(480) 446-8863

ok good... now drive there and look at your xD!!! LOL

I stand corrected, its the UMS in Tempe and Tony is doing the tuning...I think the phone number is the same but i'm not sure...Maybe Todd will chime in...

i wouldnt be so shocked if UMS was packed, they do really good work there. they can pretty much tune any car and with really good prices

Thats what i've been hearing... :bow: And with this being the first tuned and turbo'd xD i'm glad it's in their hands... :clap:

I have a feeling this is going to be awesome! Can't wait to see the pics!

Ok I just got back into town, I was at Kids Cancer Camp in Prescott with the family...I did get a text from Todd Saturday saying that it will go to UMS next Friday but no guaranty that they will get to it...Kinda bummed that it has taken this long to get it to UMS and the fact that it's going there on a Friday leads me to believe I won't be getting it back till the following week...Still no pics and going on 2 months, boy will it be a BIG surprise...Since everything had to be custom fab'd and everything is being built and done by Todd I can't give him too much of a hard time on how long it has taken...I know Todd has had to change a few things along the way so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt...I do feel confident then when this is done, this will be one bad a$$ kit and bad a$$ little xD...

being a test car, fit should be perfect.. it take sometime though. but any teaser pics from todd?

Well looks like more set backs...Thought my car was going to UMS tuning shop tomorrow but I got a text from Todd today saying that his welders were gone for 2 weeks and didn't finish the jigs so now I have to wait till they get back...My stuff is done but he's gotta get the jigs made so he can get the kits made for the rest of you folks that may be interested in the kits after you see mine... :love: I'm really bummed but nothing I can do except wait...It has been 2 months as of this week and by the time he's done with it I think it will be close to 3 months...I was hoping to bring you all better news but thats not gonna happen, sorry...

I still have not seen any pics and have not been to Todd's house since I dropped my baby off... :nails:

3 months wait is nothing compared to a year and 8 months. I've been waiting to boost my car since oct 2007 and yet i still wait. Its BS and it makes me feel like he doesn't give 2 sihts seeing as though he's starting other projects rather than finishing the kits that he owes to people.

Sorry dude, but if I were you I'd be making an appearance there soon and asking for pictures. This sounds like things that have happened before with Todd. And if his welders were gone for two weeks, but yours is finished, why can't it go to the tuner?

I think someone is jerkin your chain buddy...

^^^ I agree. It makes no sense how his welders are gone for 2 weeks while in the middle of so many projects. His excuses are endless.

Sorry dude, but if I were you I'd be making an appearance there soon and asking for pictures. This sounds like things that have happened before with Todd. And if his welders were gone for two weeks, but yours is finished, why can't it go to the tuner?

I think someone is jerkin your chain buddy...

He can't install mine without making the jigs for future kits for the rest of you potential buyers...Sure he could put mine in but there would be nothing for you guys...He would basically have to start from scratch again if he installed mine without making jigs first, and you know we don't want that...

I gotta give Todd the benefit of the doubt guys...He is doing the kit for basically free...Sure I have a couple grand into it but Todd has alot of his own money and alot of labor into it, more than I have invested into it to bring it into production...Crap comes up...It's frustrating but in the end it will be worth the wait...It will get done and it will be awesome im sure...

So for now we wait...But please hurry Todd... :pray:

^make good sense to me

I know you havent wanted to be rude and ask for pics right away, but at this point i think it might be ok to politely ask for a couple if it wouldnt be too much trouble (if you havent already). You seem to have been a very polite and patient customer up to this point, and i bet todd would not be offended if you asked, ESPECIALLY if there will be 2 weeks of downtime waiting on welders. I SAY ASK(nicely).

Thanks Bender, thats kinda what I was getting at.

Yelosub, I know you don't want pics, but at this point you may need them. I know we should give him the benefit of the doubt, BUT this definitely sounds WAY too familiar...

I'm meeting up with Todd Sunday afternoon to get my car back for the 2 weeks that it won't be worked on...I have other sponsors that need it to do their thing and I also need it to test the prototype cowl that you can follow along in this thread:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=260432&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

this thread does not give me a warm fuzzy...hope it works out for you

cant wait to see what happens...

updates?

I did in fact get the car back from Todd last Monday...The gauges are installed and they look bad a$$...He installed them just above the two cup holders in the center console and they look very stealth...

Since picking it up, I meet with Clifford from MobileHID and picked up my sponsored H4 6K HID's with swithable HIGH/LOW beam...They are sweet...Randode helped with the install...

Monday im headed to Randode's to get interior lighting and engine bay lighting installed...

I got the prototype cowl scoop from Jim but I didn't work/fit properly so I will be meeting up with him personally to see what needs to be done...The piece and craftsmanship is top notch however even in the prototype form so I have to give Jim props...

The welders will be back the 30th of June so I drop my car back off to Todd before then so he can finish it...He knows it NEEDS TO BE DONE BY JULY 11th for the SI2 show here...

i'm gonna have to make a trip to Mesa myself, and it won't be to drop a car off.

Are you stealing mine? LOL

everything is good then, but good luck!

fair question to ask:

from what i am understanding, there are people still waiting for kits from turbotoyotas... are these kits people are waiting for fully paid for? If i were to order a kit for my xD, should it become 'available', and i pay for it in full, could i be waiting like a year for it to arrive? is that what i am seeing?

^^^ yup

From what I understand from Todd and I could be wrong but I think the reason its taken mine so long is this:

My kit is completely done, except wiring of the AEM fic, tuning, and dyno of course...When Todd finished building my kit from scratch, he had to install my turbo, make sure everything fit/lined up correctly, and then un-install it...My stuff was then sent back to the welders so that they could make the jigs for additional kits so that Todd could build the kits to have in stock for you folks to have one to buy...Problem was that the welder had an emergency and had to leave out of town and is not coming back until June 30th, hence the reason I got my car back to do the other things i needed to get done...

I hope that answers some questions...And if i'm wrong, hopefully Todd will chime in and correct me...

Even if you were wrong i doubt that todd would come here and tell you the real reason why your car wasn't done along with everyone whose still waiting even though they were told that their kits were done and would ship.

Anyways good luck to you bro and i hope it works out to the best.

as excited as i am for this kit to become available, id have to opt out if its going to take a year to get it even after paying for it in full. nothing would make me angrier than to have someone running around with thousands of my dollars and the only thing i get in return is lame excuses. ____es me off now just thinking about it.

fair question to ask:

from what i am understanding, there are people still waiting for kits from turbotoyotas... are these kits people are waiting for fully paid for? If i were to order a kit for my xD, should it become 'available', and i pay for it in full, could i be waiting like a year for it to arrive? is that what i am seeing?


There are 2 people still waiting from my "issues" that transpired last year.

Cwatz is one of them.

Otherwise no you will not be waiting that long for a kit if you order one. I wont take your order if it will not ship out within 3-5 weeks from date of order.


Now on the topic of xD kits:

Once Tim's is complete, I will have the ability to make other ones just like his.
Most probably won't like it, yes it looks sick, but its allot of work. And requires allot of work to install. It won't be for everyone. Its for the customer who has no problem "making things work" a true DIY'er. Definately not for the customer who wants it to bolt up nice an easy.

In the end at this particular moment my focus on the xD kit is too make sure Tim is happy with is setup. If others like it and want it well.....that will be just a bonus.

Regards-

Todd

When you say work, what exactly do you mean? Will each kit have to be custom tuned or will pre sets be sent along with the kit?

When you say work, what exactly do you mean?

Battery relocation: up to end user on where and how to do it. I will not be offering a kit.

How the DP and manifold routes, you have to move/relocate wiring harness then wrap in gold foil heat shield.

Will each kit have to be custom tuned or will pre sets be sent along with the kit?

Every car needs to be professionally tuned. No matter what it is.....never buy a kit with a basemap. Its just a band aid. You wont ever get the full potential of your kit with a basemap. You can use a basemap to build off of though. Not always a good idea, but thats the only time a basemap is useful.

If you CANNOT AFFORD or do not have the resources to get your car professionally tuned....

DO NOT BUY A TURBO KIT!!!!!!!!!!

Regards-

Todd

Ok some teaser pics of Todds stealth placement of the gauges...Gauges are the GlowShift Blue Digital WideBand Air/Fuel and GlowShift Blue Digital LED Boost/Vacuum Gauges...

Gauges Off:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0015.jpg

Gauges On:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0017.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0016.jpg

When you say work, what exactly do you mean?

Battery relocation: up to end user on where and how to do it. I will not be offering a kit.

How the DP and manifold routes, you have to move/relocate wiring harness then wrap in gold foil heat shield.

Will each kit have to be custom tuned or will pre sets be sent along with the kit?

Every car needs to be professionally tuned. No matter what it is.....never buy a kit with a basemap. Its just a band aid. You wont ever get the full potential of your kit with a basemap. You can use a basemap to build off of though. Not always a good idea, but thats the only time a basemap is useful.

If you CANNOT AFFORD or do not have the resources to get your car professionally tuned....

DO NOT BUY A TURBO KIT!!!!!!!!!!

Regards-

Todd

was a simple question, don't have to be obnoxious about it...

Does this kit come with the programming you guys will be using to have it tuned? (AEM FIC i believe?)
I dont mind have it tuned by a shop but I much rather have them something to work off of that is known to work rather then pandoras box considering the popularity of the xD.

warm fuzzy just fizzled

Ok some teaser pics of Todds stealth placement of the gauges...Gauges are the GlowShift Blue Digital WideBand Air/Fuel and GlowShift Blue Digital LED Boost/Vacuum Gauges...

Gauges Off:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0015.jpg

Gauges On:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0017.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0016.jpg
Nice!!! Just one question.... How accurate are these gauges? I know glow shift gauges are known to be inaccurate.

Every car needs to be professionally tuned. No matter what it is.....never buy a kit with a basemap. Its just a band aid. You wont ever get the full potential of your kit with a basemap. You can use a basemap to build off of though. Not always a good idea, but thats the only time a basemap is useful.

If you CANNOT AFFORD or do not have the resources to get your car professionally tuned....

DO NOT BUY A TURBO KIT!!!!!!!!!!

Regards-

Todd

Regarding the TC:



Posted: 8/29/08 10:55PM Post subject:

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Most of what these guys are saying is true...

dont cut corners....for 98% of the people on this board.

I have customers who buy the correct fuel management, install the kit, think they can install the fuel stuff later....blow there motor and its my fault.....but....

You can use the REFLASH and the injectors(410-440cc) and a small wheel T3/T4 (or a GT28rs for convos sake) at no more than 5 psi and have an awesome tune/powerband.

It actually works well on the stock ecu as well..just dont boost more than 5psi.

I have a car here in AZ thats been running now for almost 2 years on the stock ecu and 440cc injectors at 5psi on a GT28RS and it runs like stock and is a blast to drive.

I dont like promoting it...but it does work and so to answer your question....YES

Regards-

Todd


Hmmmmm... My turbo XB2 runs like stock and is a blast to drive w/o EM @5psi with 440cc injectors. Gonna bump it to 6-7psi after I get the water/meth installed, as long as wot afr stays at or below 12.5:1.

Ok some teaser pics of Todds stealth placement of the gauges...Gauges are the GlowShift Blue Digital WideBand Air/Fuel and GlowShift Blue Digital LED Boost/Vacuum Gauges...

Gauges Off:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0015.jpg

Gauges On:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0017.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0016.jpg

Yelosub, when you get your car back can you take a picture of the guages, from the drivers seat, roughly where your head is while driving. I have been thinking of putting gauges there as well but and wondering about visability...

Ok Todd picked up my car today and has it back in his possession...I'm now driving a 2009 Chevy Malibu rental car... :eyebrow: Let's get this turbo back on track and finish it up! :bow:

so when are you supposed to get it back ?

so when are you supposed to get it back ?

Not sure...

hopefully by christmas!

4th of july of next year

I will be getting a AEM FIC in a few days and attemp to install it on the NA Yaris. If I get it to run properly then I will be getting this kit for sure...

4th of july of next year

I read this entire thread. Does anyone else see the ridiculousness here? This "company" is jerking this guy around for HOW long?! I would be ____ED! Maybe the victim is being docile because he doesn't want to anger the guy tinkering with his car? It is clear that I would NEVER buy any sort of turbo kit from this charlatan - he is clearly a tinkerer without any head for business. Does he realize that his BS delays and stalls are being posted in front of potential buyers? If he does... DOUBLE reason not to do business with this guy.

I have never seen someone accept so many BS excuses! Man up, victim - you are being taken for a ride by a tinkerer. This guy may eventually give you a faster xD, but I will NEVER buy from him - no matter WHAT he produces - the guy is NOT professional.

4th of july of next year

I read this entire thread. Does anyone else see the ridiculousness here? This "company" is jerking this guy around for HOW long?! I would be ____ED! Maybe the victim is being docile because he doesn't want to anger the guy tinkering with his car? It is clear that I would NEVER buy any sort of turbo kit from this charlatan - he is clearly a tinkerer without any head for business. Does he realize that his BS delays and stalls are being posted in front of potential buyers? If he does... DOUBLE reason not to do business with this guy.

I have never seen someone accept so many BS excuses! Man up, victim - you are being taken for a ride by a tinkerer. This guy may eventually give you a faster xD, but I will NEVER buy from him - no matter WHAT he produces - the guy is NOT professional.

I believe the reason there is a delay on this kit is because it should of been my car. imnot even close to 1k =/ lol

This model is still a completly new car in the market. Theres barely aftermarket support for this car so of course someone is going to have to work from scratch and "tinker" abit.

Everything else aside, the biggest thing that bugs me about this is the he quoted a month to do this work.

UPDATES?

This post is to inform everyone that has been following along that unfortunately my turbo journey has officially ended...

On Saturday, my car was brought back to me by Todd with my parts in a box...I can not continue with this project with an unforseable end completion date...I also can not commit any more money to this project when I have already paid what I was told it would cost...Due to recent problems with another vehicle that TT had sent to the tuners, not an xD, Todd told me that he had to pay a large amount of money out of his pocket to pay the shop because of un-forseen tuning problems...I had already pre-paid Todd my dyno time however Todd called just prior to when my car was supposedly headed to the tuners and told me that if they run into tuning problems that the shop charges $110 an hour and that he would not be able to pay it...Therefore, I would have to come out of pocket even more money than I had already paid Todd to have this done...J

Just for the record, I had already paid my entire portion of this turbo journey in CASH...Another set back was the fact that I had to rent a car (almost $500.00) after returning my car back to Todd just recently because the Nissan Versa that he was originally letting me use he returned to the dealership...

Todd is a nice guy but made promises that were not meet...Some things were not in his control but some were...I delivered my car mid April for what was to be 1 month project...During the 3 month project, I was told I would be sent pictures of the project along the way so I could see what was happening...Even after numerous texts from Todd saying that he would be sending pics at certain times, I never once received any pictures which had me concerned that things were not getting done...If Todd wants to succeed in his business, he needs to work on his customer service...Don't make promises you can't keep...We all know he builds a quality kit, when it gets done...When it gets done is the ultimate question...

This is not a bash Todd thread...I don't believe the forums are the place for it...I have told Todd my feelings over the phone and he knows where I stand and I know where he stands...

Anyways, when Todd delivered my car he brought my turbo, intercooler, BOV, and my powder coated piping...He however forgot to bring some of my stuff that he said he would bring... :doh: The turbo, piping, and BOV all look incredible and makes me sad just to look at it...So damn close, yet so far away...

I will be posting my stuff up in the classifieds when I get the time to snap some photos of it...

End of story!

so really... the only thing that this kit really needs to get up and running is install and tune?

:(

saw this coming about 2 months ago

all you need is a tune ?

you paid all this money and cant complete the project because you dont want to front the money for a tune?!?! i know todd did not keep promises and such but to me, it sounds like were not hearing the whole story. i wouldnt spend all that money just to kill the project because i cant come up with $400 for a tune?

lol.. this thread reminds me.

I have a buddy who works at a Toyota dealer, wont mention any specifics, who told me I should talk to Todd cause they were friends and his tc was one of the first to be sponsored/boosted by TT.

As soon as he said I should talk to Todd, I wish I had a literal red flag to throw in the air and a bullhorn to say FAIL.

so really... the only thing that this kit really needs to get up and running is install and tune?

Yes, if I was to continue waiting...But i'm done...Like I said, i'm not gonna get personal against Todd...There is more to this story and lots of let downs along the way...I'm not gonna be THAT GUY that waits and waits and waits after being told one thing but that one thing never happens...

The last straw was the most recent event...First off, after Todd brought my car back to me for the two week peroid where I had it so my other sponsors could do their thing to it he turns around and gets rid of his Nissan that he was letting me use during this project...Me using his Versa and him using my xD as a prototype was part of the original deal...Todd tells me that he made an appt at UMS for my car to go their so they could install the FIC in stock form on Wed, July 8th...We make arrangements and Todd gets my car back on July 6th...

Prior to this, Todd and I have what I feel is a pretty good phone conversation...Phone conversations rarely exist with Todd and mostly evertything happens over text...I hate this but what can you do...Todd tells me that he is no longer concerned about making jigs for the kits and his number one concern is finishing my kit...Yippee I think to myself...He tells me that UMS will install the FIC on Wednesday July 8th and he will completely install my turbo and have my car brought to the SI2 show that our club was hosting, untuned...We would then bring it back the following week and have it tuned...This sounds ok to me and we hang up...

Rewind back to July 6th...I get a rental car and rent it for 2-weeks because Todd assures me that it would be done way before that...Rental car bill alone was close to $500...Anyways, Wednesday comes and Todd tells me that it hasn't gone to UMS and eventually it never did...Thursday comes and again my car sits at Todds and doesn't go to UMS...I'm still driving the rental. which I have been since Monday...Anyways Todd knows the importance of getting the car into UMS because Friday is fast approaching and he has alot of work to do...In the mean time, I'm told that he would send me pics at a certain time, they never came...Get a text Thursday evening saying that my car would go to UMS on Friday but that they wouldn't touch it until the following Thursday...He also told me that the tuner was also out of town that Friday and following Monday...Guess what? My rental was due back that Monday...Two weeks of driving a rental and my car sat doing nothing? I don't think so...I call Todd and he actually answered the phone...This is when tells me the story behind the trouble with the tuning of another Scion at this shop that took 11 hours to tune and it's still not right and if they run into problems with mine then I would have to pay an additional $110 per hour...This was not part of the original plan...Todd told me that he would have normally been able to do it, but since the last car caused such a problem, he wasn't finacially able to do it...Well guess what, I'm not finacially able to fork over any more money either...I paid cash up front...Add another $500 for a rental, and probably more since by the looks of it UMS wouldn't even begin to tune it after turbo install untill way after the original rental was turned in...

When Todd returned my car to me this Saturday with my turbo parts, he kept the manifold...

Anyways, like I said the stuff looks AWESOME! :bow: Wish we could have finished what we started and I'm sure Todd feels the same...

Here are the pics:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0088.jpg


http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/yelosub/IMG_0078.jpg


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you paid all this money and cant complete the project because you dont want to front the money for a tune?!?! i know todd did not keep promises and such but to me, it sounds like were not hearing the whole story. i wouldnt spend all that money just to kill the project because i cant come up with $400 for a tune?

Listen :loser: , read the threads...I already pre-paid cash for the tune, the wiring of the FIC and everything else if you can't f'n read...And furthermore, you have no idea what transpired during the 3 months...I could cut and paste my texts if you would like...Nah, I won't stoop to that...

Hey Yelosub I am sorry you did not get things worked out. I know how excited you were about getting this done, but like I said when you first told me about it, you may have more problems then it is worth, it is probably better this way. I have been watching this thread since day one and saw nothing but problems from the start. Take your car and make it unique without the turbo. You did it before with the xB so you can do it again with this platform.

Happy motoring.........you should have kept the Stang!!!! :P

Scooter

Thanks Scott...Shouldn't you be working? The Mustang was fun...I do miss the power...Have a good evening...

WAIT! HE DIDNT GIVE YOU THE MANIFOLD BECAUSE....????

Didn't you pay for that too? It is going to be VERY difficult to pass this off to another xD owner without that part

Not sure why he did not...I asked for it because it was on my invoice copy...He said because it was a part that he was providing that it belonged to him...

I'm not selling this as an xD kit...Todd just gave me the piping...I took pics to show everyone what it looked like...

Turbos, BOV's, and intercoolers are universal...Those will sell...If someone wants to this as kit, and take it someone who is a good fabricator and match it up then that's another story...

he kept the manifold???? wtf? im pretty sure you have more than paid for it! thats the most important piece! if it was on your invoice, doesnt that mean he charged you for it???

SCAM!

how much did you pay for all of those parts? they all look pretty generic, even with pretty orange powdercoating.

i wouldnt be anywhere near as close to calm as you are, thats some will power if ive ever seen it.

WOW! and it looks so damn sexy too, i cant believe it couldnt be done, same thing with every tc out there thats bougth from him and received SQUAT, that really sux to hear bro, and u should get that manifold or get one custom made u can definatly try and finish this off, completely unfair to u bro

he kept the manifold???? wtf? im pretty sure you have more than paid for it! thats the most important piece! if it was on your invoice, doesnt that mean he charged you for it???

SCAM!

how much did you pay for all of those parts? they all look pretty generic, even with pretty orange powdercoating.

i wouldnt be anywhere near as close to calm as you are, thats some will power if ive ever seen it.

I copied and pasted just a portion of my invoice to show you what it said:

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
misc. Turbotoyotas is responsible for all hardparts:
Turbo manifold
Downpipe
Intercooler pipes and air intake with MAF sensor
mounting bracket
Coatings of the above mentioned items
Installation of completer turbo kit

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I got some of the items listed above but not the most important piece...I asked him for it but he said it does not belong to me...He is giving to one of his people who son is going to be using it on their xD...If that wasn't going to happen he said he was sending it to the recycler...

And for the record, Saturday was the first time I had seen this stuff...I have yet to see the mani and down pipe...

i hate to say it... but you have become just another TT statistic...

Hey boss watched this for a while and it really sucks. You did the right thing though. That manifold is yours he needs to give that up

Here is the invoice, you tell me...

Total

Quantity Item Code Description

SCION xD prototype turbo kit:

Customers parts
Garrett GT28 turbo with internal wastegate(Went with Garrett t3/Super 60)
Bosch BOV(Changed out to Greddy RZ BOV)
Intercooler
Oil Feed and drain lines
Couplers and clamps
air filter

misc. Turbotoyotas is responsible for all hardparts:
Turbo manifold
Downpipe
Intercooler pipes and air intake with MAF sensor
mounting bracket
Coatings of the above mentioned items
Installation of completer turbo kit

AEM FIC
misc. TC fuel injectors
Tuning Dyno Tuning from UMS Tuning
installation Hardwire installation of AEM FIC estimate (2 hours)
1 upgrade changing to Greddy BOV 4/13/09

PAID $$$$.$$ CASH 4/13/09 0.00

that ____ is yours

please tell me you got more back than what you have pictured... thats only about $900 worth of parts, tops, even with the powder coating.

Nope, i told him to keep the filter and give me the cash back...The same goes for the tC injectors and couplers/hoses...Supposedly my FIC is at the tuners and he still has to bring that to me...Now I have worthless gauges in my car that I have to remove and sell...They look pretty though...

you should demand the manifold and downpipe, and finish the kit yourself.

wow, take all that sh*t back cause then hes jus gonna run away with it like every1 elses damn money, he has time for a Twin turbo setup but couldnt finish urs?? unbelievable

My stuff is in the classifieds...Click the link to check it out... http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=265088

This is really sad...


The Manifold and the downpipe are the MONEY in the kit..! the rest is pure miscellaneous stuff.


I don't know how you call it there, but over here that is stealing..! You paid for those parts... and you could probbaly get some money for them as well...

By all that you are telling us I woudn't be surprised if the Manifold doesn't even exists!

You don't have the manifold because it doesn't exist...

Those ARE just generic parts, noting custom dude...

I think it was warned several times that Todd would do this...

Get a lawyer buddy, quit letting him screw people...

Todd gave me back the physical parts I paid for, i.e. the turbo, BOV, intercooler...He still owes me the the FIC and almost $800 cash...

The other stuff were to be provided by TT as part of the deal...Yes I believe the manifold and dp are mine however Todd disagrees...I really wish Todd would reconsider and come through on his end of the deal...

I would like to see Todd's business survive...He needs to work on his communication and customer service if he is going to...We all know that when he builds and completes something, it's generally top notch...I know as of late, Todd has had some issues with some of his guys and his parts have been questionable...I don't wish him any ill harm and hope he is able to learn from all that is going on...If Todd can not or will not learn from any of this, then i truly believe that TT will disappear like so many others...

so sorry to read about another TT statistic. I hope it all works out for you in the end.

so sorry to read about another TT statistic. I hope it all works out for you in the end.

Thx, me too...

so ive been reading this topic as its been happening ..hoping to see a completed kit at the end..

sorry to see how it ended..

are you getting reimbursed for the dyno fees?

Yes Todd still owes me for the dyno fees and the wiring of the fic...Says he does not have the money right now...

too bad things didnt work out for ya.. hopefully you'll get your money soon

Thanks Ace...I will get my money back...Like i said, Todd and I are atleast talking...Am I upset? Yes...But trashing him and bashing him is not going to help things...

Todd is good people, I truly mean that...I think that he is in over his head at times, that's all...

The other stuff were to be provided by TT as part of the deal...Yes I believe the manifold and dp are mine however Todd disagrees...I really wish Todd would reconsider and come through on his end of the deal...

I would like to see Todd's business survive...He needs to work on his communication and customer service if he is going to...We all know that when he builds and completes something, it's generally top notch...I know as of late, Todd has had some issues with some of his guys and his parts have been questionable...I don't wish him any ill harm and hope he is able to learn from all that is going on...If Todd can not or will not learn from any of this, then i truly believe that TT will disappear like so many others...

If you paid for those parts, they are yours. I honestly think that the manifold does not exist because Todd never had the funding to make it. Whether he's a good guy or not doesn't make up for the fact that he's a terrible business man. He owes multiple people money and/or parts, both of which he doesn't have. As much as you might not want to do it, but you may have to take legal action if you want your money back.

Todd may owe other people $$ but they are not local as yelosub is. I'm pretty sure he will get it quickly.

The other stuff were to be provided by TT as part of the deal...Yes I believe the manifold and dp are mine however Todd disagrees...I really wish Todd would reconsider and come through on his end of the deal...

I would like to see Todd's business survive...He needs to work on his communication and customer service if he is going to...We all know that when he builds and completes something, it's generally top notch...I know as of late, Todd has had some issues with some of his guys and his parts have been questionable...I don't wish him any ill harm and hope he is able to learn from all that is going on...If Todd can not or will not learn from any of this, then i truly believe that TT will disappear like so many others...

If you paid for those parts, they are yours. I honestly think that the manifold does not exist because Todd never had the funding to make it. Whether he's a good guy or not doesn't make up for the fact that he's a terrible business man. He owes multiple people money and/or parts, both of which he doesn't have. As much as you might not want to do it, but you may have to take legal action if you want your money back.

They (mani/dp) were on the invoice but with a price of ZERO dollars because it was being provided by TT as part of the prototype deal that we had agreed to...Todd will pay me rest assured...

Sorry to hear your turbo adventure has ended, I know how it feels man.

dang crazy! this thing would have been awesome!

hey man have you called UMS to find out about the dyno work? they sponser the mazda club i belong to and what not.

fricken pointless...

what I wrote wasnt directed at you Tim.

sorry you took it that way.

Todd

hmmm sooo in reality u kept rushing todd and rushing him and demanded ur car back because it was takeing longer than expected?

just asking btw not trying to be mean

hmmm sooo in reality u kept rushing todd and rushing him and demanded ur car back because it was takeing longer than expected?




Oh not at all.....Tim was very understanding.

We were so far behind schedule it wasnt even funny.

If it wasn't for me and the tuners we would have been done in May.

Regards-

Todd

So if there is a finished manifold, why not look for a return on the investment and sell it? Understand you are giving it away, but I am also assuming you have the blue print for it and can sell a model

We were so far behind schedule it wasnt even funny.

If it wasn't for me and the tuners we would have been done in May.

Regards-

Todd


LOL. You're behind schedule on alot. Like getting people on the forum their kits. I think it's time you took up something a little slower-paced and not as important, like hosting Bingo tournaments in Sun City. Or perhaps subbing Golf cart parts out for powdercoating?

Huge customer-base for stuff like that in Sun City, yanno.

Plus, BONUS, they are old so they will kick off before you deliver the goods. Chaching.

hmmm sooo in reality u kept rushing todd and rushing him and demanded ur car back because it was takeing longer than expected?

Funny you say that...As I have stated before, there are texts between Todd and I and I have saved every one of them...My car was supposed to go to the tuner back in May (repeaatedly)...But thats when I started getting excuses after excuses...Whether they were valid, I have no idea...If my car had gone to them in May, June like I had been told over and over, this would have been a dead issue...But because some other car, an xA to be exact, takes 11 hours on the dyno because it does not do well with the FIC Todd no longer has the ability to help...I did not pay $300 for tuning as Todd had stated earlier, I paid $375...I also paid $140 for the FIC install...Told calls me the night before he's supposedly bringing the car to tuners to tell me that if they run into tuning problems that the tuners charge $110 an hour...This was not part of the plan, and neither was having to get a rental...

I debated on posting....

but in the end I felt like I had too.

I have a few comments...some to defend myself (no real point too) and at the end a little lesson for everyone.

few things:

1. there was an original deal worked out. Tim was responsible for the parts I do not make ( at my cost) and I was supplying the rest as a way to help him out and at the same time bring a xD kit to market.

2. The parts he paid for are the parts he got in return. Plus he will be fully refunded for the price of tuning, wiring, and some misc items we have agreed on.

3. The project stopped ie he got his car back because of a lack of resources necessary if a tuning issue arrived.

Tim basically paid $300 in tuning fees.....that covers basically hooking car up to dyno and 2/3 hours of tuning.

after a recent issue with another car (11+ hours on the dyno) and his being the first with FIC, we wanted everyone to be ready for an issue, and be preparred for it if it came up.

What would happen if it takes longer ? the resources were not there.

so what happens if we tried and there was a problem? turbod xD with a unfinished tune? might not have even been driveable.

Am I responsible? no

is the tuner responsible? no

It was not worth the risk, for myself, nor the tuner to try the "what if" scenario knowing the customer could not cover the cost of the additional tuning fees.

It would have been worse than this.

So in the end....

we all lost....

But as its not my responsiblity to cover tuning fees or issues (unless its kit related) and this is why we stopped.....why would I supply the entire kit?

I have allot more money invested into the design/fabrication work than he does in the components.

Do I not get to keep part of my investment? I dont see how that does not make sense.

Its funny how everyone always thinks they are entitled.

Some advice:


1. If you cant afford a kit...regardless of situation dont by it

2. If you cant afford the correct fuel management and the money to tune your car (no basemaps) do not buy a turbo kit

3. If you have no idea about turbos but just like the idea of one or just want one "because" dont buy one until you can take the time educating yourself. Call manufacturers ask questions....do not rely on your friends who think they know better.

4. If you ever work out a deal with a manufacturer, prototype kit, custom etc, please respect there work and there desire to keep the work under wraps until its done.
There nothing worse than being critisized for work by those who have no idea what it takes to build and design a kit..... funny how everyone has a friend who knows better.

5. Tuning......if a tuner charges you a flat rate...always keep in mind that rate is for x amount of hours. If the tuner takes more time than that be prepared to spend more money.

6. If you make an appointment for tuners/ install shop. Things can get pushed back, as in the tuner market things always come up and that changes peoples schedules/plans.

In the best interests of you all.



Regards-

Todd

Todd makes some points in his response to everything which I expected him to do...Just because I was new to the turbo world does not mean I am stupid and I know when things are not right...I am 40 years old and have been a Police Officer for almost 20 years...I DID ask questions to learn more about turbo's, hence the reason I asked around...I did not go around Todd's back as he makes it seem...I wanted to be involved in this process as much as possible...

Funny how Todd feels I was boosting on a "budget" if that was his point in his response...I certainly can afford a kit but when I'm told a certain thing thats what I expect...I could say the same and say, "If you can't refund someone's money right away then you shouldn't take it in the first place." I was told a certain price and paid that in cash without hesitation...Factor in the rental car as an unforseen expense...Todd made an agreement with me and knew what I was spending...He had no problem taking my money to further his business...See look at this way...I gave him a $20K car for R&D on his turbo product...In return, I was to get a turbo built and installed...It's actually quite simple...He builds a turbo, I pay what i'm told to pay...When its all said and done, Todd sells the kit to the public and makes his money back ten fold and I'm a happy customer, in theory...Unfortunately this did not happen...

As far as affording fuel management, I paid $375 (not $300) for tuning and $140 for the FIC wiring...Todd even told me himself, if it would not have been for the xA dilema at the tuners there would be no problem......But why should I suffer the consequences? The xA issue did not happen until late June early July...If my car had gone to the tuners back in May, even June like I was told over and over we would not even be in this situation...I would be happily boosting in TT xD...

I wish Todd continued success and hope he's able to recover from what is going on lately...His heart is in the right place, trust me...

fricken pointless...

what I wrote wasnt directed at you Tim.

sorry you took it that way.

Todd

We were so far behind schedule it wasnt even funny.

If it wasn't for me and the tuners we would have been done in May.

Regards-

Todd


LOL. You're behind schedule on alot. Like getting people on the forum their kits. I think it's time you took up something a little slower-paced and not as important, like hosting Bingo tournaments in Sun City. Or perhaps subbing Golf cart parts out for powdercoating?

Huge customer-base for stuff like that in Sun City, yanno.

Plus, BONUS, they are old so they will kick off before you deliver the goods. Chaching.


bro don't run ur mouth if you haven't ordered anything from him don't talk smack idc how many kits people ordered and are running late right now if ur not one you have no room to talk please... thanks :) and yellow im sorry ur turbo dreams didin't make it bro thing's happen

We were so far behind schedule it wasnt even funny.

If it wasn't for me and the tuners we would have been done in May.

Regards-

Todd


LOL. You're behind schedule on alot. Like getting people on the forum their kits. I think it's time you took up something a little slower-paced and not as important, like hosting Bingo tournaments in Sun City. Or perhaps subbing Golf cart parts out for powdercoating?

Huge customer-base for stuff like that in Sun City, yanno.

Plus, BONUS, they are old so they will kick off before you deliver the goods. Chaching.


bro don't run ur mouth if you haven't ordered anything from him don't talk smack idc how many kits people ordered and are running late right now if ur not one you have no room to talk please... thanks :) and yellow im sorry ur turbo dreams didin't make it bro thing's happen

If you didn't finish installing your turbo, why don't you just leave the car sitting there for another 5 months. That's what's happening to everyone else. Sorry, but I honestly think Todd was trying to use you as the 'look, I can get stuff out on time' person, even though it still took 2 months to get you 'on the shelf' parts.

Well...

Things happen

We have the whole story

Its not really necessary for anyone to really add to the drama. I'm going to lock this thread. The xD owners can be more mature than the tC owners (joke)

Lets move on to the next company...