Just wondering, what else do you need to do you need to do if your going to get a celica engine in your xa? Can the tranny take? Are there any downsides, besides voiding your warranty which is a pretty big one, to swapping. Also I heard you need to turn the engine sideways or something to get it to fit. Any answers or just facts about the 2zz engine would be great.

the stock tranny will bolt up but it will not take the abuse very well. The main downside to me is the lack of torque this motor has. Go with the 5spd 1zz tranny.

the stock tranny will bolt up but it will not take the abuse very well. The main downside to me is the lack of torque this motor has. Go with the 5spd 1zz tranny.
This 1zz/2zz swap sounds intriguing. Does the 2zz have less torque then the 1zz or is it just less relative to the higher hp it has? I'd love to see dyno numbers for both engines stock. Blitz makes a sc for the 2zz. That would be pretty sick. Unfortunately the Blitz sc for the 2zz is over 5k

Hello,

The 1nz-fe trans WILL NOT bolt up to the 1zz or the 2zz. We already tried that. We have already test fitted 1zz/2zz, all a-series and s-series engines. Installing any of these engines will require frame cutting. S - series engines require serious body mods. Hope this helps.


ELP

God damn joe, I'm gonna kill him . Sorry for the mis-information. The 2zz acts like a honda vtec motor no torque till lift.

well, are there any other ways to get the xa to about 150. Do you think maybe a header and exhaust upgrade will help at all. What other possible things are there without buying a turbo or supercharger?

Go for the whole port/polish/blueprint/balanced(and stronger pistons) and you may get up some. I'm planning on doing this with an Echo 1NZ hoping for 130+ from it. It's going to take a while tho.

can you explain that in laimens terms
i mean come on I can't even spell "laimens" right. lol

i've heard of port and polish but don't know what that or anything else means

the stock tranny will bolt up but it will not take the abuse very well. The main downside to me is the lack of torque this motor has. Go with the 5spd 1zz tranny.
This 1zz/2zz swap sounds intriguing. Does the 2zz have less torque then the 1zz or is it just less relative to the higher hp it has? I'd love to see dyno numbers for both engines stock. Blitz makes a sc for the 2zz. That would be pretty sick. Unfortunately the Blitz sc for the 2zz is over 5k

theres turbo's for the 1zz engine. its aroudn 4k i think

Porting: Resizing an opening so it is matched with a mating surface.
Polishing: Smoothing an engine's interior surfaces, usually the cylinder heads, to improve flow characteristics and/or to prevent hot spots

Some good articles on What blueprinting and balancing are can be found Here (http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/january03/nerds/), Here (http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/february03/nerds/),
Here (http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/april04/nerds/), and Here. (http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/may04/nerds/)

The ideal motor for these cars in my honest opinion would be a trd supercharged 1zz with header , true cold air intake , exhaust , head work and tuning. Think 180whp or so but with alot more torque and a better power curve than a 2zz.

The ideal motor for these cars in my honest opinion would be a trd supercharged 1zz with header , true cold air intake , exhaust , head work and tuning. Think 180whp or so but with alot more torque and a better power curve than a 2zz.

does trd make a supercharger for it tho?

The ideal motor for these cars in my honest opinion would be a trd supercharged 1zz with header , true cold air intake , exhaust , head work and tuning. Think 180whp or so but with alot more torque and a better power curve than a 2zz.

does trd make a supercharger for it tho?

i just looked at the trd site, i guess they do make one. maybe ill have to do that to my MR2 instead of the engine swap to the 2zz

RD 1.8L Supercharger

Power Specifications:
• Peak torque is 145 lb.-ft. supercharged @ 4000 RPM
- vs. 125 lb.-ft. stock at 4200 RPM.
• Peak horsepower is 166 HP supercharged @ 6800 RPM
- vs. 130 HP @ 6000 RPM.
• Maximum HP gain @ 6750 RPM = +40HP
• Maximum torque gain @ 4000 RPM = +38 ft.lb.

Hello,

The 1nz-fe trans WILL NOT bolt up to the 1zz or the 2zz. We already tried that. We have already test fitted 1zz/2zz, all a-series and s-series engines. Installing any of these engines will require frame cutting. S - series engines require serious body mods. Hope this helps.


ELP

what about the use of an adapter plate?? main reason for asking is I was thinking in reverse - enabling someone to bolt in the 6spd to the 1ZNFE. Adapter plates have solved about every other motor/tranny problem I've encountered. I've seen Chevy SB's run through Porsche 930 tranny's, Jeeps into Powerglides, Fords into Chevys, Toyotas into Fords - you name it.

Biggest 'problem' i would think is making sure the computer would read everything accurately, or, would a remapping be needed.

God damn joe, I'm gonna kill him . Sorry for the mis-information. The 2zz acts like a honda vtec motor no torque till lift.

_____...I just told you what toyota and many others have told me...never sed I tried it

Oh don't get so testy. sorry master , lol. howd u get yer 3zz motor in there? I guess adapter plate is the way.

6spd tranny will require cutting about 2+ inches of frame.

6spd tranny will require cutting about 2+ inches of frame.

how do you know this? tried it? got any real world numbers? and WHAT FRAME? It's a unibody vehicle. There is no FRAME.

Piece of the SUBFRAME is what I mean. And this is from measuring. and joe's wisdom , I listened to him then measured and the 6spd is def longer and wider.

Ohhh OK... so you DO know - that's good to know. So that's probably the biggest issue in conversion -

I'll have to get it up on a lift and see what needs to be trimmed and maybe reboxed to keep the strength (takes cojones to start hacking on the subframe assembly)

Ohhh OK... so you DO know - that's good to know. So that's probably the biggest issue in conversion -

I'll have to get it up on a lift and see what needs to be trimmed and maybe reboxed to keep the strength (takes cojones to start hacking on the subframe assembly)Oh yeah I'd go and get a spare front subframe and work with that. Yeah but If you use the 5spd 1zz tranny on the 1zz or 2zz it'll fit alot easier . The other issue is adding the extra front motor mount but supposedly that's not too hard .Some sort of engine mount kits are supposed to be out soon.

Ohhh OK... so you DO know - that's good to know. So that's probably the biggest issue in conversion -

I'll have to get it up on a lift and see what needs to be trimmed and maybe reboxed to keep the strength (takes cojones to start hacking on the subframe assembly)Oh yeah I'd go and get a spare front subframe and work with that. Yeah but If you use the 5spd 1zz tranny on the 1zz or 2zz it'll fit alot easier . The other issue is adding the extra front motor mount but supposedly that's not too hard .Some sort of engine mount kits are supposed to be out soon.

that would be great if a kit came out. id be one of the first on the list :pray:

2zz in an echo:
http://www.fototime.com/3D1C37A42123C5E/orig.jpg

If it can fit an echo it most def can fit an xB , where's the damned motor mount kits? People will sell tons of those.

where did you get that pic of the echo? so, it is possible, but you need to cut off some stuff to fit the engine in then. right?

where did you get that pic of the echo? so, it is possible, but you need to cut off some stuff to fit the engine in then. right?

looks like one from another country or photochopped

i think thats the vitz. i remember someone posting that up a year ago. yes...the 2zz can fit, if you want to cut 4-6 inches of your frame depending on which tranny u want

i think the best way to get an extra 100 hp is to hitch up 100 horses ya know real horses an have them pull yer car around of course your emissions will go through the roof but natural fertlizer is the way to go

Got the picture from echodrivers.com. From what very little the poster had to say, it seems like Toyota commissioned this swap, but was very tight lipped about it. I have no idea where the picture was taken from.

im for sure that is a vitz and you are right...there is very little info if any about that swap

I'd rather take the 1zz so I could add FI if I wanted.

u can turbo the 2zz also, people are making around 250whp with the turbo gts celicas with basic bolt ons too. build up the 2zz and it will be better in the long run

Yes but how much will a built up 2zz setup cost? when you can easily run 7psi on a stock 1zz.I agree if I(had money and)were to go all out I would have a fully built FI 2zz

where did you get that pic of the echo? so, it is possible, but you need to cut off some stuff to fit the engine in then. right?

That car is an early Yaris. The 2ZZ swap was done in 2002 by Activa Engineering in Europe... that company has since dissapeared. Mods included cut up strut towers, frame rails and such... banged out firewall... the intake is nearly hitting the rad support, and the downpipe is riding the firwall in the back. Ain't no turbo kit gonna fit on that either, there's just no room.

185 reliable HP with a 6 speed tranny is very nice...

The thing about a 2zz is that that motor is a complete dog before lift hits. and it's only 180hp, normally.With these cars the biggest fitment problem would be the 6spd trans , you could however use the 5spd 1zz tranny with either 1zz or 2zz motor.

yea...its power band is like a honda's vtec. when it hits, it hits hard. and yea...that 6spd is huge. 6" of cutting..seems a little too radical for a street car. although it can be done

With the 2zz in the engine bay... tranny and everything... would the shocks/springs be upgraded to something beefier?? How about all that weight shift? Lighter radiator? Carbon fiber hood/panels? Relocated trunk battery? More power=More speed=More stopping power? Big brakes? I like the idea of the motor swap... just want to be prepared for problems that I might not see until afterwards.

With the 2zz in the engine bay... tranny and everything... would the shocks/springs be upgraded to something beefier?? How about all that weight shift? Lighter radiator? Carbon fiber hood/panels? Relocated trunk battery? More power=More speed=More stopping power? Big brakes? I like the idea of the motor swap... just want to be prepared for problems that I might not see until afterwards.
yes, the suspension would have to upgraded. i would go with full coilovers with adjustable spring rate. a new radiator would be good, preferably a half size one. cf parts would be up to you, but it would help with the weight distribution. big brakes...they would be helpful. but keep in mind big doesnt always mean better.

jdm 1zz = 160hp

ok now i have a question after reading all of this why are you people saying the 2zz is a dog untill lift? um lets stop and think here you are talking about putting a 180hp engine into a car that come with a 108hp engine I really dont hink it is going to be a dog at lower rpms in this car at all... heck my 2005 5spd box stock can pull a 2004 civc si all they way through 2nd gear then he passed me. and no he is not a bad driver. You just need to learn how to drive the car you have stock to really see the performance. Its not just about "flooring" it and going there is a lot more to driveing than that.....well i am off the subject now..... i really think the Swap would be the best Performance upgrade out performing both the S/C and the Turbo hands down and i am saying that with the 2zz being stock. as far as the tranys are concerned why dont you guys go to a junk yard and messaround with then to see what can fit what and as far as cutting "frames" you do what you have to do to get the power you want.if you dont want to cut some parts then you really dont want to do a swap. any who just to spike this up a bit i am and have been pondering this idea in my head for about a year when i got my first of 2 boxes and now i am really thinking about taking on the project with the help of some sponsers of mine. i hope things do go well but again i am still *thinking* about it and talking with people. nothing is planed or in stone yet. ( I am being honest here)

It's not that it totally blows, but that you may achieve better results, more efficiently (less time and money) by using a 1ZZ motor, with some tweaks.

ok now i have a question after reading all of this why are you people saying the 2zz is a dog untill lift? um lets stop and think here you are talking about putting a 180hp engine into a car that come with a 108hp engine I really dont hink it is going to be a dog at lower rpms in this car at all... heck my 2005 5spd box stock can pull a 2004 civc si all they way through 2nd gear then he passed me. and no he is not a bad driver. You just need to learn how to drive the car you have stock to really see the performance. Its not just about "flooring" it and going there is a lot more to driveing than that.....well i am off the subject now..... i really think the Swap would be the best Performance upgrade out performing both the S/C and the Turbo hands down and i am saying that with the 2zz being stock. as far as the tranys are concerned why dont you guys go to a junk yard and messaround with then to see what can fit what and as far as cutting "frames" you do what you have to do to get the power you want.if you dont want to cut some parts then you really dont want to do a swap. any who just to spike this up a bit i am and have been pondering this idea in my head for about a year when i got my first of 2 boxes and now i am really thinking about taking on the project with the help of some sponsers of mine. i hope things do go well but again i am still *thinking* about it and talking with people. nothing is planed or in stone yet. ( I am being honest here)
yes, the 180hp 2ZZ is way more powerful than what we have now. but when comparing the 1zz to it, the 1zz is more responsive bottom end. it may be the combination of gearing, but the 2zz needs the vvti to put that power down. and that is why they say it is a "dog" until lift. but again i say that i would much rather go with the 2zz over the 1zz. much more potential in the long run. thats why you see fully built 2zz's over the 1zz.

yes, the swap is the best alternative for power in my opinion also, just have to keep in consideration the lack of engines from 2004 and newer that we can find. also, u can use the 1zz engine if you want, but i think...hey, just go all out and put the 6spd in.

good luck with the swap if you go through with it, let me know how it went.

A 2ZZ-GE in a lighter body like the xA won't be a dog compared to the Celica. If the 2ZZ-GE was really that bad, you'd hear the same complaints coming from Lotus Elise owners.

A 2ZZ-GE in a lighter body like the xA won't be a dog compared to the Celica. If the 2ZZ-GE was really that bad, you'd hear the same complaints coming from Lotus Elise owners.
true, but the elise is around 400lbs lighter than the scions, weighing in at under 2000lbs compared to the 2400 that the xa & xb weigh

and Lotus tweaked the motor and tranny. It's not a regular 2ZZ

A 2ZZ-GE in a lighter body like the xA won't be a dog compared to the Celica. If the 2ZZ-GE was really that bad, you'd hear the same complaints coming from Lotus Elise owners.
true, but the elise is around 400lbs lighter than the scions, weighing in at under 2000lbs compared to the 2400 that the xa & xb weigh

Hmm, I thought the Scion's were a bit lighter than that. Learned something new.

and Lotus tweaked the motor and tranny. It's not a regular 2ZZ

Nothing a PowerFC can't fix. And I don't think they messed with the tranny.

A 2ZZ-GE in a lighter body like the xA won't be a dog compared to the Celica. If the 2ZZ-GE was really that bad, you'd hear the same complaints coming from Lotus Elise owners.
true, but the elise is around 400lbs lighter than the scions, weighing in at under 2000lbs compared to the 2400 that the xa & xb weigh

Hmm, I thought the Scion's were a bit lighter than that. Learned something new.
yea, i weighed it at the track with me in it, a 10lb nitrous bottle, and 15's on it, 2550 i think. put your car on a diet...then put the 2zz...whooo

and Lotus tweaked the motor and tranny. It's not a regular 2ZZ

Nothing a PowerFC can't fix. And I don't think they messed with the tranny.

I'm almost certain it's a reworked tranny. . . but I'm not perfect, so I could be wrong.

So how much is this bad boy engine?

How much cutting would I have to do again?

So how much is this bad boy engine?

How much cutting would I have to do again?
2zz with tranny goes for around $3-$4k depending where you get it. cutting is still estimated as it has not been done in the scion. 2zz 6spd looks to be 4-6" of cutting

wow... all of that for 80 more hp... someone please hurry with the mod HAHA...

Hehe Reviving this post..

Was wondering what engine was the 2zz from and the 1zz. Im guessing celica?

I'm thinking about the 1zz engine for a start with auto tranny, is that possible??

2zz is celicas gts , lotus , corolla and matrix xrs

1zz is from corolla , mr2 , celica gt

the 1zz tranny is a bit smaller so a bit more feasible swap

the 2zz is such a high inference motor if you overrev your easily gonna need to replace bent valves and possibly pistons.

If it can fit an echo it most def can fit an xB , where's the damned motor mount kits? People will sell tons of those.

What do you mean tons? I don't think they would sell that many.

If it can fit an echo it most def can fit an xB , where's the damned motor mount kits? People will sell tons of those.

What do you mean tons? I don't think they would sell that many.

"ton" or "tons" is a commonly used expression in northern america, more specifically the united states. it refers to a "sh!tload" or "schload" of quantity of a said object/material.

durrrrr!!!! :P

and besides, you never know- they might actually sell 2000lbs worth. have you seen how many flipping threads there are on 2zz swaps? lol

-jon

I was seriously considering one, but hacking my frame all up to ____, just doesn't sound like a good idea

I see...Maybe a supercharger is the only clean way, but man would an engine like that be neat... I don't really care about the torque but yeah...