CreativeCompacts.Com Exhaust DYNO Completed [Archive]

CreativeCompacts

02-28-2005, 07:11 PM

Well here we go for all those who were just dying to have a dyno on the exhaust... Lvnurs9 and I made it out in 4-6 inches of snow to get it done TODAY so there would be no more drama this week on these forums lol

Baseline Stock tc was 126hp and 142 ft/lbs
Stock tC with Intake by WR was 132hp and 143 ft/lbs
Stock tC with Intake and Exhaust Kit was 144hp and 152 ft/lbs

Intake was the WR Secret Weapon Intake
Exhaust was the 2.5" Stainless Steel Full Kit with High Flow Cat and Borla Muffler by CreativeCompacts.Com

So in Conclusion, the Exhaust makes around 12hp and 9 ft/lbs when you have the WR Intake Installed

Dyno was done with the Hood CLOSED and a fan blowing at around 5 mph in to front grille area. The car ran 3 passes on the dyno. Same car, same dyno, same place...

Thanks
James
http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Exhaustdyno.jpg

Boom12V

02-28-2005, 07:15 PM

Very nice

BlkSandPrlTurbotC

02-28-2005, 07:17 PM

my god a stock tC 5 speed runs 126whp?! WOW
That's so terrible!

BlkSandPrlTurbotC

02-28-2005, 07:18 PM

Awesome numbers tho!

acasanova

02-28-2005, 07:40 PM

my god a stock tC 5 speed runs 126whp?! WOW
That's so terrible!

The hood was closed with just a fan pointed at the radiator. Those numbers are really good with the hood open im sure it would have easily produced 10hp or more in addition to what you see on the dyno. Heat soak im sure was a big issue especially considering it was a short ram intake under a closed hood. Considering that a moving vehicle at 40 mph has a 40mph wind gust going through the front grill into the engine bay, the temperetures would be much cooler. Im sure those HP numbers are actually higher if the vehicle was in motion much like real world driving. I dynoed my tc 4sp auto at 133hp and 137tq but that was with the hood open and at 83 degrees.

jmiller20874

02-28-2005, 07:45 PM

12whp gain, that's impressive. I want, how much?

shuttlegoosecock

02-28-2005, 11:04 PM

thanks for getting the dyno, u have got my money now

Balbo04

02-28-2005, 11:22 PM

wow thats for sure impressive... tahts really good... well sounds good

alegoo

03-01-2005, 12:15 AM

WOW! That IS impressive. 12 hp and 9 tq with just an intake. Imagine the gains on a boosted car. Could you post some sound clips too? Thanks :D

By the way this is my first post. I like the forum. It's pretty awesome. :rolling:

lvnurs9

03-01-2005, 12:21 AM

www.coolmass.com/scion/video/tcdyno.mpg

Here is the sound clip.

toyota_scion_tc

03-01-2005, 12:39 AM

How are you dynoing the tc. Every dyno I have seen for the stock tc shows 137-143whp and 147-150wtq.

http://www.draxas.com/Dynos/StockScion-tC.jpg

http://sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0411scc_scion/

lvnurs9

03-01-2005, 12:48 AM

ya thats what everyone said the last time we posted them. what do you mean how are we dynoing the tC? put it on the dyno and run it. i dont know whay the baseline was so low but i think it had to do with not letting the ECU learn the new intake. regardless, we determined the exhaust gains from what the car dyno'd with just the intake....not the original baseline.

PunkInDrublic

03-01-2005, 01:27 AM

Sound's kind of raspy.

toyota_scion_tc

03-01-2005, 01:31 AM

I forgot to ask was this a auto or manual. I hope it was an auto it would explain a lot.

TheKnown

03-01-2005, 02:03 AM

sounds nice.... nice gains

lvnurs9

03-01-2005, 02:09 AM

why would an auto explain anything? its a 5spd

toyota_scion_tc

03-01-2005, 02:16 AM

why would an auto explain anything? its a 5spd

the auto will always dyno less at the wheels than a manual.

nchyflyer

03-01-2005, 02:26 AM

ok jesus... 21.25% hp loss through the drivetrain on a 5spd? Ummm... I have yet to see even auto dyno that low! Please tell me this was NOT a 5spd or that the dyno was off a little to start with.

PunkInDrublic

03-01-2005, 02:38 AM

Does it matter if the hp numbers are low, we all know most dynos get 140~ give or take to the wheels in a 5spd, what the important thing here is the gain in HP with the mods.

acasanova

03-01-2005, 02:39 AM

ok jesus... 21.25% hp loss through the drivetrain on a 5spd? Ummm... I have yet to see even auto dyno that low! Please tell me this was NOT a 5spd or that the dyno was off a little to start with.

guys the dynoes are fine ,the hood was down, low numbers are due to heatsoak. Even if it was cold outside the engine generates alot of heat . Im sure if the hood was up numbers will be higher perhaps by as much as 10hp. Here are my dynoes 4sp auto with teh hood up imagine it down.

http://home.comcast.net/~miamiprep1/Save0003.JPG

kutsuju_dj

03-01-2005, 03:09 AM

if that is the case then i definatly wouldnt consider this a legit dyno........ making it look like it makes 12 whp when in fact the dyno you put it on didnt even make the stock dyno numbers dosent make me want to purchase this... i think its kinda bogus actually.....

alegoo

03-01-2005, 04:09 AM

James-

I know this may be difficult money-wise but...can you try dynoing with the hood open and then closed to contrast the possibility of heatsoak for the SRI? I know with most SRIs, heatsoak is a critical factor, a factor which may attribute to the lower horsepower figures. I think with intake that reduces heatsoak, your exhaust may perform even better.

I know ppl have given shat to you about dynoing with the hood up, but dynoing with the hood up will give comparison to AEM intakes, when it becomes available.

Finally, members keep in mind that James is working to provide us with opportunities. If you don't like his product, you are obviously not obligated to purchase his product. He provides his time, effort and research willingly, so it pains me to see you guys being so harsh.

alegoo

03-01-2005, 04:40 AM

James -

Can you also figure out the SAE corrected value? It says on the top of the Dynojet values that it is uncorrected. I think this may be a big difference.

CreativeCompacts

03-01-2005, 02:15 PM

Munch

03-01-2005, 02:19 PM

Lonely_Raven

03-01-2005, 02:39 PM

Awesome work James, I can understand your frustration.

jmiller20874

03-01-2005, 02:59 PM

You try to provide people a service and all they can do is _____ and complain. James has done a lot of hard work for this car and all people can do is focus on some stupid stock dyno number and complain. Honestly, who freakin cares? The exhaust is awesome and provides excellent gains but everyone comes on here like some wannabe automotive engineer and nitpick about every little thing. I applaude James for all his hard work and effort and for having to put up with this stuff for this long.

Do you people honestly think that AEM's dynos are perfect or anyone's for that matter? But every product that has been introduced to us so far has been welcomed by more negative reviews than positives mostly by people complaining about dynos. Dynos are not perfect and do not represent 'real world' gains since they can't reproduce a 'real world' environment. Manufactuers are constantly monitoring these threads for feedback but it's all negative, they're all gonna give up eventually and we'll be left with nothing. Keep the criticism constructive and not destructive.

acasanova

03-01-2005, 03:38 PM

TJCCARDCO

03-01-2005, 03:39 PM

There are some very dumb people on here.

You are getting all antsy because you think the dyno is off.......if the car made 129 hp then added some mods and it made more HP does it really matter what the baseline was? Its the fact that it added horsepower...die die die

acasanova

03-01-2005, 03:46 PM

retrodrive

03-01-2005, 04:13 PM

What gets me is that the HP numbers are understated, not overstated. If it was otherwise there would be at least some room to complain. $hit you get more HP then manufacturer promises to deliver due to tough dyno...stfu

James, there is no point in leaving just because of some people who have nothing constructive to say and only bltch. :blah:

alegoo

03-01-2005, 05:42 PM

i totally agree. AEM wouldn't even give a ____ about our complaints. They're so big it doesn't matter if some intsy weentsy tC owner didn't like their product. what matters is not what the baseline tC dyno is, but rather the gains. don't give up James, this product is awesome. all the exhausts i know of are axle back and there's like... one cat back. no other company offers a full kit and i think that that's very complimentary. don't let a couple of whiny young'uns bother you. it really must be frustrating. i know that sometimes i can by a real pain in the neck myself, so hope none of my posts were the ones frustrating you.

bashar05

03-01-2005, 06:08 PM

I think this setup is really nice !!

I'm still waiting on the answer of how much this costs; both exhaust and intake AND where one can get it.

I maybe consider once i get my car.

And James, dont let a couple of ppl get to u with their _____in, there are stil some ppl here that appreciate ur work.

acasanova

03-01-2005, 06:13 PM

when AEM releases their CAI this exhaust will shine even more . Good job on the exhaust guys . Also are you guys considering building a midpipe only.

lvnurs9

03-01-2005, 06:48 PM

the prices for all the exhaust parts are listed on the website along with the intake.

www.creativecompacts.com

ProPain

03-01-2005, 07:51 PM

I have two questions for creativecustoms.

1.) Is the 2.5" exhaust mandrel bent? I didn't see anything mentioning that anywhere.

2.) Do you have any plans for re-dynoing after adding headers?

And for all the people _____ing about the stock numbers, no two dyno's can be expected to dyno the same. Either learn from my statement or learn it on your own the hard way, but it's a fact of life. I usually dyno my car on a Mustang Dyno, and they read MUCH lower than dynojets.

lvnurs9

03-01-2005, 08:50 PM

Yes they are all mandrel bent and yes I will prob dyno again with headers.

shuttlegoosecock

03-01-2005, 08:54 PM

look, this exhaust is great for the money and actually gives gains. leave them alone, at least they care about us.

CreativeCompacts

03-02-2005, 01:23 AM

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Few simple steps...

1. Register an account with our Website using your Message Board name.
2. Send an e-mail to sales@creativecompacts.com with your account name.
3. We activate your discount (you will receive an e-mail confirmation)
4. Begin ordering, your discount will be good for the entire month of March.

Our website is CreativeCompacts.Com (http://www.CreativeCompacts.Com)

Thanks
James

jwaggz82

03-02-2005, 02:22 AM

People will _____ but that type of attitude isnt called for. Im glad you dyno'd the car and im sure many many many others are also. Think about all of the people as a whole except a few that want to give their 2cents.

Chaos_Being

03-02-2005, 09:59 PM

The most important thing is the numerical difference between the base dyno and the modded one...not if the numbers are low or high or not. These are great gains for intake/exhaust- I'd definitely buy these!

Swanny

03-03-2005, 12:55 AM

Those are very nice grains, also sounds very good to me. Keep up all the good work on parts for our tC's.

retrodrive

03-03-2005, 05:27 AM

And I am saying that base is important to look at since it clearly represents that the dyno is understating the real power. You get more power then they advertise.

-Keith-

03-03-2005, 05:29 AM

CreativeCompacts thank you for taking the time and doing the pics and the dyno run and getting the sound note up... us here at SL appreciate it man!

Gmoney

03-03-2005, 10:02 AM

CreativeCompacts thank you for taking the time and doing the pics and the dyno run and getting the sound note up... us here at SL appreciate it man!

i agree^^^^^^^^^^^^^

CreativeCompacts

03-03-2005, 01:10 PM

More parts to come soon... Just hate when someone (other forums) trys to tell me they no more on how to dyno a car and its us that are making the cars get lower numbers.... Any company in their right mind is going to want to get the highest numbers possible on the dyno. Anyways the fool just turned old enough to drive so I highly doubtg he/she has ever seen a dyno in person or even driven on one.

zoltiz

03-03-2005, 03:42 PM

jmiller20874

03-03-2005, 03:53 PM

James, about you spending money on dynos, etc. - you are not doing it because you are such a nice guy and want to contribute to a community - you are businessman, and you want to make money on all of us - and to sell us your stuff with a good profit margin - you need to spend money on dynos, so please, no tears about your business expenses, ok?

And 12whp gain from a SRI? I thought we already went through this...

Make good products, do a good job advertising them and keep emotions out of it.

I agree with you on the business expense thing but what 12whp from a SRI are you seeing? The numbers only showed 6 which Weapon-R backs up. The numbers show a 12whp gain from the full exhaust not SRI. Do we really have to keep this thing going?

Baseline Stock tc was 126hp and 142 ft/lbs
Stock tC with Intake by WR was 132hp and 143 ft/lbs 6hp gain w/ SRI not 12
Stock tC with Intake and Exhaust Kit was 144hp and 152 ft/lbs

zoltiz

03-03-2005, 03:57 PM

nevermind on the 12whp from SRI ;)

-Keith-

03-03-2005, 06:44 PM

zoltiz

03-03-2005, 07:10 PM

Damn dont be rude about it...
I am not being rude. Should I thank Trojan for spending money on their TV ads? No. Should we feel guilty for upsetting Trojan marketing department by saying that their TV ads suck? No. So why am I rude?

tckurt

03-03-2005, 08:13 PM

not rude just blunt... anyways I saw the same exhaust or what looked to be the same and it says you have to cut part of the stock exhaust but you say its just bolt on so which is it...

Revilo2

03-03-2005, 09:19 PM

i heard that the wr was giving 7-13hp... what happened on this one that it only gave 6hp?

acasanova

03-04-2005, 03:04 AM

not rude just blunt... anyways I saw the same exhaust or what looked to be the same and it says you have to cut part of the stock exhaust but you say its just bolt on so which is it...

GUY IT MEANS NO WELDING REQUIRED :doh:

tckurt

03-04-2005, 03:07 AM

yes I know bolt on means that but most of the time when you cut metal there isnt a hole to put a bolt through so I was wandering which was right...

kutsuju_dj

03-04-2005, 03:20 AM

yea so whos buying this exhaust..... yea im not....

kutsuju_dj

03-04-2005, 03:35 AM

Guys... I have spent alot of my own cash and spent alot of my personal time out side of work to get these dynos done on Lvnurs9's car. We even drove in 6 inches of snow. At this time I am highly considering not even working with the tC anymore. We take photos, we take videos, we get the actual jpg file from the dyno shop, we do the hood open, we do the hood close... AND NO ONE is ever happy. I hope you all enjoy your parts from other companies but I can no longer deal with the constant complaining. If you all have problems with the dyno numbers, call John at Express Auto Serivce (540) 372-4422 and ask him what is wrong with their dyno.

Enjoy modding your tCs...

James

haha this was funny..... The fact is your trying to make money of us so crying about no one ever being happy is just something as a "business man" you gotta deal with........ you got an opportunity here to make some damn good money and be competitive with the TC and get the people who dont want to wait for the brand name companies business... i have a TC and Xb and nothing but hi quality shiaat will go on my rides so if you wanna make a hi quality product dont get mad at peoples complaints, use them to your advantage........... you gotta make money to spend money but it sounds to me you just wanna get a quck buck off a couple suckers and call it a day.......... in the words of lil Jon.... STEP YOUR GAME UP if you wanna make money......

ghaly

03-04-2005, 04:14 AM

I told that dumb guy from weapon r in a post a long time ago that it does make a difference in the numbers by opening the hood. See now only 6hp. Where is that claimed 12.91hp now huh? cheaters and thiefs.

jmiller20874

03-04-2005, 04:43 AM

The WeaponR hasn't posted a 12whp gain since the initial dyno with the original prototype, and it was in error which was admitted and retested and has performed at 6whp in every subsequent dyno with the hood open, closed or laying in the back seat, it didn't make a difference.

CreativeCompacts

03-05-2005, 06:47 AM

James, about you spending money on dynos, etc. - you are not doing it because you are such a nice guy and want to contribute to a community - you are businessman, and you want to make money on all of us - and to sell us your stuff with a good profit margin - you need to spend money on dynos, so please, no tears about your business expenses, ok?

And 12whp gain from a SRI? I thought we already went through this...

Make good products, do a good job advertising them and keep emotions out of it.

FYI: No one is claiming the 12hp in this thread from the SRI. I was not complaining about the cost of the DYNO we have done... I was simply stating I am not wasting any MORE money on any dynos for the same exhaust just to have the Hood Open... Read the thread a lil more before getting involved is the advice I have for you, since you are trying to offer me yours.

CreativeCompacts

03-05-2005, 06:51 AM

Gotta love that the thread gets a ton of people not involved... If those of you who say you want the best of the best on your cars, step up your game. In 2003, our company had the second best car in the Nation. I know what it takes to build a high quality car.

Being in business for 5 years, I am not simply here to make a quick buck and leave. I anticipate on selling the exhaust kits and other parts for years to come. You will not see the company CreativeCompacts.Com dropping off the face of the earth like some of your fly-by-night college dorm room ran companies.

Thanks
James

tckurt

03-05-2005, 08:28 PM

Well thats good to hear... I am definetly going to buy the full exhaust when I have the money... I believe you are legit i purchased the CF dash kit when you still sold it and it was good quality so don't listen to all the people whining.

bambams247

03-06-2005, 02:51 AM

Please post exhaust pictures and sound clips I am very interested but need some info first please!

ToBeeyach

03-06-2005, 03:33 AM

bambams247

03-06-2005, 07:51 AM

im definetly getting the SW intake, now I am just looking for some exhaust options, i really ahte how all the companies just amke axlebacks os a good full exhaust woudl be nice that can mount up to some dc headers

shuttlegoosecock

03-06-2005, 10:25 PM

yeah james, most of us got ur back here man. if those other people dont like it fine, but I and a lot of other people appreciate what ur doing.

DouBLeJ16

03-08-2005, 07:32 AM

please post the stock dyno plot so we can compare the curve.

your stock numbers seem extremely low compared to other dynos (around the same area where this was done)

amoraes

03-08-2005, 05:18 PM

James:

I'm sorry to see so many people crashing on you regarding the dyno results. I am very happy with all your effort to proof that creativecompacts has developed a legitimate product. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I saw the dyno results posted in TPRMag.com and honestly, to me it doesn't matter how you guys have engineered the WRSW. Since I'm not an engineer, but simply an every day driver that enjoys having fun while driving. So for me the bottom line is the final result. And if the WRSW is producing 12.91 HP, that's the bottom line.

In addition, I have exchanged emails with people that have install the WRSW in their tcs and are very happy with the results.

shiver

03-08-2005, 08:17 PM

At this time I am highly considering not even working with the tC anymore.

Enjoy modding your tCs...

James

We will, from Companies that have patience and a good understanding of the tuner market consumer. Not to mention provide what ever it takes to satisfy a potential customer.

tckurt

03-08-2005, 09:17 PM

would performance drop any from aluminum vs. stainless steel

CreativeCompacts

03-08-2005, 09:58 PM

would performance drop any from aluminum vs. stainless steel

No it will not

RacerZack

03-09-2005, 07:09 PM

Guys... I have spent alot of my own cash and spent alot of my personal time out side of work to get these dynos done on Lvnurs9's car. We even drove in 6 inches of snow. At this time I am highly considering not even working with the tC anymore. We take photos, we take videos, we get the actual jpg file from the dyno shop, we do the hood open, we do the hood close... AND NO ONE is ever happy. I hope you all enjoy your parts from other companies but I can no longer deal with the constant complaining. If you all have problems with the dyno numbers, call John at Express Auto Serivce (540) 372-4422 and ask him what is wrong with their dyno.

Enjoy modding your tCs...

James

You people should be ashamed of yourselves. I don't know James and I've never bought anything from him, but he is clearly doing his best to provide true technical data on the stuff he sells. The tC has a pitiful amount of products available for it, so it is completely insane for people here to "bite the hand that feeds us."

If a company provides a bogus product, fine. Flame away. But when you're getting dyno results with all the parameters of the test disclosed -- you should be PRAISING James, not flaming him. If anything, the dyno was done to provide the most conserverative results possible. That's super commendable. It means that you're seeing worst-case gains. Most companies do everything they can to get the best possible numbers.

I say "bravo, James!"

nycazn79

03-09-2005, 09:41 PM

Question:

Since the your catback piping is a 2.5", I assume the tC use 2.25" stock piping? If so, the outlet on the tC's stock headers (or DC Headers) will be 2.25". Is an adapter necessary or does the bolt on go straight to the stock headers?

CreativeCompacts

03-09-2005, 10:00 PM

At this time our kit does not replace the S-Pipe so you will not need to worry bout the conversion yet..

DouBLeJ16

03-10-2005, 07:23 AM

I've heard the s-pipe is one of the most restrictive parts on the stock exhaust system, why is that not replaced?

jrv2000

03-10-2005, 07:35 AM

I've heard the s-pipe is one of the most restrictive parts on the stock exhaust system, why is that not replaced?

that is exactly what I have heard too

bambams247

03-10-2005, 01:25 PM

Quick question:

http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=tCFullKitAlum&Category_Code=SciontCExhaust

Does this replace the whoel exhaust headerback. So If i purchase that item plus teh DC Header is taht a complete new exhaust system.

CreativeCompacts

03-10-2005, 03:25 PM

We are currently working on the S-pipe at this time and will be selling it as a seperate option.... Our exhaust alone produces 12hp so I am sure the S-pipe would free it up a little more...

The link you posted willl replace S-pipe Back...

In the tC, you have the following...

Header-->S-pipe-->Cat Convertor-->Resonator-->Muffler

Our System replaces the Cat, Resonator and the Muffler.

bambams247

03-10-2005, 03:44 PM

Once the S pipe is release will you offer a complete headerback exhaust at a discuonted price?

CreativeCompacts

03-10-2005, 03:57 PM

discounted prices are already there on the exhaust, I dont anticipate the S-pipe to be too expensive by any means

f1nch

03-10-2005, 05:09 PM

how long to do you expect until the S-pipe is available ?

CreativeCompacts

03-10-2005, 05:22 PM

I wanted it available yesterday but its just gonna take some time right now since we still do not have our tC until April 1st.

RacerZack

03-10-2005, 05:32 PM

omg, so you actually replace the cat? ah, now the picture is making a little more sense.... who's cat do you use? it must be a more high-flow unit than stock....?

CreativeCompacts

03-10-2005, 05:36 PM

We use a Magnaflow High Flow Cat

f1nch

03-11-2005, 05:48 AM

ahh yes but was the exhaust dyno'd w/ or with out the high-flow cat in place....i see the option of adding it to the exhaust system on your site meaning if it is not added then you get a straight pipe to replace the cat..correct?...i will probably go catless anyways considering im down to one after my DC headers....