First a hello and thanks for any help. This is the wifes car and I need to replace the WP. Car has 61,000 miles so out of warrenty. The manual says to pull the motor someone please tell me that's not true. My user name comes from the fact that at 6'6" and 300lb I really just don't fit the car. I saw the post's and You Tube vieo's for pulling the XB WP. I searched for the same on the XD and keep coming up empty. Thanks again for any thoughts and help.

Of course having said all the above I read the post just before this one and see the same question. Thats the kind of day I'm having. Not to mention the fussing from the wife for not having gotten the car to the dealer before the warrenty expired. It was in for an oil change at 59k and some change, and was making the noise then. They didn't say anything, she didn't remind me so of course it's all my fault. And yeah I was quoted a $953.00 hit.

Before they replace it, direct them to this post and show them the problems associated with the water pump and that other dealers are fixing them out of warranty for other owners...May work for you?

Thanks but they won't pony up. I will be doing the work this weekend and am determined to not pull the blasted motor. Picked up the Aisin replacement pump last night--$63.00 at Bap Geon. Dealer $127.00

That sucks! Good luck...

Well you don't have to pull the motor! Closing things up now. The parts store just sold me Dexcool it says for GM vehicles. Anyone know if this is the right anti freeze and will it mix with the origional Toyota fill? Took some pics will do a little write up if y'all want me too.

since this is a pretty common problem, i bet someone out of warranty would love a write up lol.

Well you don't have to pull the motor! Closing things up now. The parts store just sold me Dexcool it says for GM vehicles. Anyone know if this is the right anti freeze and will it mix with the origional Toyota fill? Took some pics will do a little write up if y'all want me too.

I would appreciate seeing some pics and getting some tips from your
install.. I'm sure other would be interested as well.. Thanks

Well you don't have to pull the motor! Closing things up now. The parts store just sold me Dexcool it says for GM vehicles. Anyone know if this is the right anti freeze and will it mix with the origional Toyota fill? Took some pics will do a little write up if y'all want me too.

DO NOT MIX DEX COOL WITH YOUR CAR'S COOLANT SYSTEM. Either buy the OEM fluid or use Prestone coolant that is made for any make or model car (still recommend switching back to OE fluid when you have the chance).

DO NOT MIX DEX COOL WITH YOUR CAR'S COOLANT SYSTEM. Either buy the OEM fluid or use Prestone coolant that is made for any make or model car (still recommend switching back to OE fluid when you have the chance).

Thanks for the tip. I filtered what I had saved from the tear down and used that with a bit of water to get the level up. Then went to a dealer after work the next day to get the pink Toyota long life coolant. Will be taking the Dex cool back. Talked to a Toyota tech before I poured the Dex cool and he told me some horror stories about how corosive it is. I didn't get to talk to him before I started the job but he told me that no one pulls the engine for this replacement. I picked the coolant up from a different dealer and while I was there I asked one of the service writters how much to do the job and was quoted a "two hundred for the labor". I had not explained what had happened at his competitor. Seems like a fair price to me. I pulled the car in around 1:00 in the afternoon and was cleaned up and closing the door at 6:45. Not bad for never having worked on this car before I figure. Not sure if I can name dealers here. Would love to if I can. Added a couple of pics will try and do a write up soon. The pump view pics show something that really ____ed me off. The new Aisin replacement pump is on the left. The origional Aisin pump is on the right. The quality difference is very plain once you see them side by side. The origional is a stamped steel body where the replacement is a nice beefy alumimun housing the pully center is totaly different and who wants to bet that the bearing is a more stout design.

Thanks for the tip. I filtered what I had saved from the tear down and used that with a bit of water to get the level up. Then went to a dealer after work the next day to get the pink Toyota long life coolant. Will be taking the Dex cool back. Talked to a Toyota tech before I poured the Dex cool and he told me some horror stories about how corosive it is. I didn't get to talk to him before I started the job but he told me that no one pulls the engine for this replacement. I picked the coolant up from a different dealer and while I was there I asked one of the service writters how much to do the job and was quoted a "two hundred for the labor". I had not explained what had happened at his competitor. Seems like a fair price to me. I pulled the car in around 1:00 in the afternoon and was cleaned up and closing the door at 6:45. Not bad for never having worked on this car before I figure. Not sure if I can name dealers here. Would love to if I can. Added a couple of pics will try and do a write up soon. The pump view pics show something that really ____ed me off. The new Aisin replacement pump is on the left. The origional Aisin pump is on the right. The quality difference is very plain once you see them side by side. The origional is a stamped steel body where the replacement is a nice beefy alumimun housing the pully center is totaly different and who wants to bet that the bearing is a more stout design.

I'm sure this board is like most places in that as long as you do not trash talk the vendors their will be no issue. By all means list dealers (whether good or bad) so that other people will have a heads up before doing business with them. :biggrin: BTW what year is your xD?

2008 with just at 62000,00 miles. It does a 100 mile commute daily. Almost all on the interstate.

Figured, makes me wonder if Toyota made changes to the pump for later model years. You rarely hear about water pump failures on xD's made after 2008.

Makes sense. My motto is nothing is ever easy!

Guys I'm having to replace my water pump today, and the issue I'm having now is being told that there was a TSB put out over a year ago to check/replace the water pump if they have an xD in for service at all! At least, this is how the woman at the dealership is explaining it to me... UGH! Some of the things that ____ me off, and that is a huge one! It may be more work, but just do it! So now I'm out for the pump, a belt, and the time it takes to fix it.

Does she have the TSB reference number?

Didn't see any tsb for the xd water pump when i searched. How did you get to the pump? Through the wheel well?

What does it sound like if it's going out? Are there any signs of impending failure? How does the dealer check it? I have an '08 with 51K miles. I really don't go to the dealer for maintenance, but I'm paranoid about this going out.

I searched for a tsb also, and didn't find anything. I saw one for Corolla and Matrix (forgot which years though).

Sound is a groany rattle,may smell coolant burning. Tsb is 0048-09 covered under drivetrain warranty.

Mine was growling like a power steering pump. Thats what I thought it was at first. I pulled the front bumper cover, all of the plastic under cover, headlight and window wash unit. Kinda pulled the inner liner back and hooked it behind the tire. The bumper cover is held with little snap in kinda deal at the fenders. Did'nt completly remove alternator just the top bolt. The big bolt in the center of the motor mount does'nt have to come out. In fact the book says to not remove it. Oops to late for me. The mount will come off without pulling it. Once you have the mount out of the way the pump unbolts and comes right out. The Aisin replacement pump is wider overall than the origional - steel plate type anyhow. To get the new on in just drop the motor down a bit and it slides right in. Start a couple bolts and pick the motor back up and you are just about done. The belt needs to be fairly tight. I had to retighten ours after a days drive to work. It squeeled at startup. Seeing the TSB truly adds to my ____edoffedness with Toyota!!! Alldata list's it as SB0048-09R1

Priority Toyota of Chester, Va. gets no more of my money!
Haley Totota gets the nod for Quoting a legit price. Was told by service writer (a couple of hundred for labor) Makes them my new goto store!!

I have squeal at startup since the pump was replaced. How do you tighten the belt on xd?

http://www.garage1217.com/SCIONXD/PULLEY/PULLEY2/4.jpg

your basically sliding the alternator to tighten it. hope that helps

Ok so pull the cover and tighten that bolt? My wife is out with the car so can't look at it.

Ouch... Did not know this was a common problem! I have 95K on my 2008 xD so I bet this will probably happen anytime :(

Ok so pull the cover and tighten that bolt? My wife is out with the car so can't look at it.

correct.

@garage1217 : im surprised it hasnt happened yet for you. maybe youre one of the lucky ones? only bad thing is i imagine by now its out of warranty.

Oh yeah, Way out of warranty! Mine was purchased mid 2008 so maybe there was a change just prior to then or is it an issue with all 2008's? I drive mine daily as a commuter over 100 miles a day so it definitely gets a workout. My only thought is that I have run since new, an NST 10% underdrive pulley so all of my accessories have seen far less wear and tear than a stock xD.

mine went out and i have the pulley as well. daily driven but not 100 miles a day lol. dunno but i would surely watch for the signs of failure. i caught mine early as it was leaking and i saw the coolant on my hood. some werent so lucky and lost both the pump and alternator cause the pump seized.

i took mine in with less than 3k miles out of warranty for an oil change and they found mine was leaking. I have taken my car to that dealership for every oil change since I bought the car new. I'm so glad they conveniently found a problem with my water pump just outside of my warranty period.

Edit: Not for an oil change, but a rear wheel bearing noise. How do they find a water pump problem while checking for rear wheel bearing noises?

they did their job and inspected the vehicle for more things to make money on. actually they may have found it because there might have been fluid on the ground.

funny how they missed it every other time. It seems the TSB is not new. All circumstantial and coincidental i know, but still. 12 oil changes and the very first time it is out of warranty, 3 problems pop up. And the rear wheel bearing i have taken it in before and they said just road noise.

Hey guys I have the dreaded water pump issue on my '08 XD and it just hit 62,000 miles :-( Any chance on getting a write up on replacing it?? Every shop I take it to wants to pull the engine and quotes around $800. I really don't want to do that! Thanks!

At this rate, I wanna sell my car before the dreaded water pump...

A little over 47K here and it literally just destroyed itself while we were on the highway. I went to check it out and poured some water in and it was peeing straight out of the pump.

how much should I expect to pay for this to be replaced? I bought a new one and got the bumper, light and washer fluid out of the way. I loosened the alt bolt but couldn't get the alt to move at all to loosen the belt. I had zero luck with the engine mount so I gave up and put everything back together.

I was quoted about $900 to replace it. Guess I will be figuring out how to do it myself.

I recently started hearing a "grumbling noise" coming from my engine. It was the water pump, or so said my local neighborhood mechanic. I asked him to repair it and he said it would cost over 1800.00 dollars and that he wasnt interested and I should junk the car.
To be sure, I went to Toyota and had them do a full inspection ( I paid 50.00 , which goes towards the repair, if you have them do it ) and they confimed it as the WP. My first qoute was $1078.00 from Sun Toyota. I then called Auto-Way Toyota and started haggling. I got them down to $985.02 , which included a rental car for free. I shopped that price back to Sun Toyota and they counter offered 1. A rental Car, 2. 875.00 for all services replacing WP.
Moral of the story , dont accept the first price. Haggle! In the end my brother-in-law replaced the pump and it ended up costing me 150.00, however you have to be mechanicly inclined to pull it off. Ever since it was replaced my car purrs! rives beautifully, has better pickup! Replaving the WP is a to do, for sure. However, its worth keeping your XD. DOnt accept the first price! I went from 1800 down to 875.00 and I am sure I could of gotten someone to below 800.00 if I needed to keep trying.

I recently started hearing a "grumbling noise" coming from my engine. It was the water pump, or so said my local neighborhood mechanic. I asked him to repair it and he said it would cost over 1800.00 dollars and that he wasnt interested and I should junk the car.
To be sure, I went to Toyota and had them do a full inspection ( I paid 50.00 , which goes towards the repair, if you have them do it ) and they confimed it as the WP. My first qoute was $1078.00 from Sun Toyota. I then called Auto-Way Toyota and started haggling. I got them down to $985.02 , which included a rental car for free. I shopped that price back to Sun Toyota and they counter offered 1. A rental Car, 2. 875.00 for all services replacing WP.
Moral of the story , dont accept the first price. Haggle! In the end my brother-in-law replaced the pump and it ended up costing me 150.00, however you have to be mechanicly inclined to pull it off. Ever since it was replaced my car purrs! rives beautifully, has better pickup! Replaving the WP is a to do, for sure. However, its worth keeping your XD. DOnt accept the first price! I went from 1800 down to 875.00 and I am sure I could of gotten someone to below 800.00 if I needed to keep trying.

Great story and good tips for those who live in an area with more than one dealer!

my xD just reached 96,000 miles, and is a 2008. Mostly high way driving to and from school, driving with care (AKA not driving like an ___)...the water pump is starting to make lovely noises so I will be most likely getting it replaced...will post what they want to charge me (Massachusetts resident).

this seems to be in issue with 2008 xD's. I don't remember seeing any posts with 2009 or above being an issue.
I remember reading a post a while back about them re-designing the water pump in 2009 for this engine. The new pump looks different, A new supplier perhaps and hopefully less prone to Problems.

Not sure why anyone is pulling bumper covers and fenders and unbolting motor mounts to replace a water pump in a 2008 scion XD.
Step 1.) Remove plastic engine shroud from top of motor.
Step 2.) Loosen alternator adjusting bolt and loosen both upper and lower alternator bolts. Push alternator towards rear of car and remove belt. Remove upper alternator bolt and pull alternator as far forward as possible. The further you pull it forward, the more access you will have to the water pump from above.
Step 3.) Remove the plastic shroud from the passenger side underneath so you can have access to the water pump from below. 4 bolts.
Step 4.) Drain radiator.
Step 5.) Loosen 3 bolts on the water pump from below, and two from above.
Step 6.) Pull pump out of crankcase and lift out from above.
Step 7.) Pull out old gasket.
Install new pump in reverse.

It took me 1 hour without a manual or previous experience to pull it. I am ordering one on-line right now and will replace it when it comes in. I will go to Toyota on Monday to see if they'll cut me a deal on one because of TSB 0048-09. Won't hurt to ask.
If anyone quoted me $1,800 to do this job, I would assume they were rebuilding the entire engine. That is ridiculous. I would fly out to where ever you are with water pump in hand and replace it tomorrow for half that price.

My 2009 Scion xd water pump seized (locked up) yesterday, the belt broke today. After it seized up, the belt burned and broke. The engine light turned on, battery light turned on, lucky I could drive to a local shop before it overheat.

Before the belt broke, I would hear this sweaky eazzy noise, i think it's from the belt moving through the seized water pump. My car has 41k miles on it. If you start hearing any abnormal sweaky noise, you should bring it in to a shop.

I noticed water pump leakage today 67,000mi (2008xd) :(
Anyone have any luck getting the dealer to replace after warranty????

Also ABS and BRAKE indicator lights are on at the same time (saw the water pump leakage when checking the brake fluid level). Just a coincidence I guess ???

Service dude ran the VIN for my car and no TSB or recall for waterpump came up, so I had a local mechanic change it out for $240 and hubby got the parts at Toyota. Dealer wanted $860 to do it.
Mechanic said he had to drop the engine a bit to get the replacment pump on.

ABS and brake lights went out on their own. Hopefully it won't come back.

Hi everyone,

I experienced the failed water pump on my 2009 Xd, was right at 70k miles. Mine happened on a roadtrip and I became stranded in a state I am not from.

Had my insurance road side assistance get me a tow, one of the facilities they had was a Firestone auto. I have bee under a lot of time pressure with work because o this.

My question is, dod anyone know if te 2009 is similar to the 2008 in terms of reqirements to access the water pump? the mechanic told me it will require the engine to be removed and printed out a form with a huge list of step by step directions to do it. They have quoted me 1500, will take two days to fix.

mines been leaking for almost a year. got an 08 with 75k on it. not a problem but will be in the summer so im having the dealership replace it. 550 w/parts and i bought a new serpentine belt so they can just switch out for me out of courtesy which they agreed on which was $20. i also go into an accident a while back and my airbag light came on so i told them to recalibrate it and they charged me 100. eff it cash money son.

Just did a water pump on my xD. I did it the hard way and pulled the engine and trans. Only reason I did all that work was because I also replace the clutch with an ACT performance clutch, new starter, thermostat, and all new exhaust gaskets. Took me a day to do. Was not that bad.

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hey ev1, sorry for reviving a dead thread, but after trying a search, i just couldnt find this info anywhere.

Does anyone have the torque specs for the 2008 xd water pump? I am in the middle of replacing mine and thought they would be easier to find but I haven't found them listed anywhere. any help is much appreciated.

Not sure why anyone is pulling bumper covers and fenders and unbolting motor mounts to replace a water pump in a 2008 scion XD.
Step 1.) Remove plastic engine shroud from top of motor.
Step 2.) Loosen alternator adjusting bolt and loosen both upper and lower alternator bolts. Push alternator towards rear of car and remove belt. Remove upper alternator bolt and pull alternator as far forward as possible. The further you pull it forward, the more access you will have to the water pump from above.
Step 3.) Remove the plastic shroud from the passenger side underneath so you can have access to the water pump from below. 4 bolts.
Step 4.) Drain radiator.
Step 5.) Loosen 3 bolts on the water pump from below, and two from above.
Step 6.) Pull pump out of crankcase and lift out from above.
Step 7.) Pull out old gasket.
Install new pump in reverse.

Unfortunately the new pump is slightly larger then the old one. The old one slide right out but there is no way the new one is going in. :mad: Looks like I will need to drop the engine :icon_frown:

Just replaced water pump. Fun stuff. All the info here helped a bunch thank you. The old pump came out fairly easy. I didn't take off the bumper, but I did loosen the alternator and rotate it forward. The new pump from Toyota has a different pulley and bearing as well as a cast aluminum housing. The extra length of the bearing and pulley will not let the new pump slide back in. I had to loosen the motor mount on the passenger side and floor jack the motor up and wiggle it around a bunch. I also loosened the ac lines that are in that area. Putting it back together I left the motor jacked up and it was a little easier to get to the bolts on the pump housing back in. My test drive around the block was good and I didn't see any leaks so hopefully my drive to work in the morning will be uneventful.