I was just wondering how it was for everyone when they bought there new ride. I have heard alot about the new Scion Buying experince. I wasn't that impressed with it. I love the car, but I didn't see much difference in buying it from any other car. The fixed price was nice, but I think they still have a long ways to go before I would actually enjoy doing that again.

 

Yes I did. They even threw in a car care package complete with a bucket, wax, sponges, tire foam, and a few other goodies. I had a great experiance at my Scion dealer :D .

 

yeah, absolutely!! it was painless, hassle and pressure free. the salesman even parked every different color i wanted to see under natural light, yellow lights etc so i could see the color variations at night :p

 

Are you guys kidding me, god i hated my experience at Longo with Verone...

haha, j/k--totally hassle free.

They actually had my car done 3 days before they had told me they would have it ready...lucky me, being the eager beaver that I am went and found it done!

I still hate those Toyo reps who try to cut you off at the pass when trying to get to the Scion portion though.

 

Yo, what da hell is diss ... you getten free-bees up dere in Nyork? Man dat aint right. Seriously Munch, your dealer gave what $30 worth of stuff to you, did you have to ask for it, or was it just tossed in cause the dealer had a crush on you?

 

It was a big hassle at first. Finding a dealer with cars in stock, then telling him to leave on the stock rims instead of forcing his $2000 aftermarket rims and tires or it was a no sale. Gotta hand it to the salesman, he stuck to his guns.
We ended up knowing precisely what we wanted and purchased it at window sticker at another dealership. I had to go back tho cuz they hadn't put on my back bumper skirt. They compensated with free fill-ups every time I went by.

 

My dealer drove 1hr each way to trade his color for a blue one (for me) and this was after hours on his own time. Granted he only was given 2 xB's and 1 xA that month but that is REAL service. Never bugged me about upgrading but did take his sweet ___ time doing the paper work. Poor man was in his 70s.

 

Please let me vent. No matter WHAT they say, there is no such thing as a NO-HAGGLE policy. Saturn tried this years ago, and they backed down. Scion may or may not, but if they do, it'll be quiet. I'm 40+, and just bought a new xB. They tried the line: "we have a no-haggle policy so kids buying them feel like they are being treated fair, and paying the same price as the next guy". Now if you fall for this crap, you deserve to pay more. EVERYTHING is negociable. Life 'ain't always fair. In my case, it was easier because I had a trade... instead of lopping off $ from my car's sales price, they ADDED value to my trade. I didn't want a spoiler ($400 piece of worthless plastic), but they wanted to sell me the car on the lot, not let me 'order one' and walk out without a big sale... so miraculously my trade was increased in value by $200 (yea, I did split the cost with them, but they were already paying too much for my trade... ~hehe). What helped me: I got a green salesguy that had never made a sale... and he was desparate. I had my trade emptyed and ready to go. I had cash in my pocket, but was willing to finance (as long as there was no prepayment hit). I had a stellar credit score. As long as they hit my numbers and had the car I wanted in stock, the deal was most likely gonna happen. Based on the numbers, the delta between invoice and retail on my xB was about 700. Yes, the dealer probably has a 3% holdback, but you gotta give them this, unless the car is a slow mover. So, NO, I didn't get a discount on my purchase price, but I DID get about $550 more than my trade booked out at. So, the dealer got the holdback, and about $150, plus any incentive from writing the loan (which will be paid-off in 90 days). Not too bad on a new-hot model for a walk-in customer. You will have the potential to do BETTER if you have a trade, when you buy a Scion. If you have no trade, I'm not sure how it'd go. YES, I am sure some of you may have done better... Good for you. I just wanted to relay my experience to help other cheap bastards like me get the car as cheap as possible. It's a game to me. Thanks for letting me vent. PS: I'll help anybody in OC-CA get a similar deal... E-me.

 

THERE IS NO HOLDBACK ON SCIONS.

Other than that I reserve the right to keep my mouth closed about that last post or risk getting myself in trouble.

Cut and pasted!! (bottom of invoice)

Retail Dealer Total
Vehicle Base Model ..........................: $14480.00 $******.00 $14480.00
50 State Emissions .........................
Total Accessories ...........................:
Destination Charge ..........................: $ 485.00
TDA .........................................: $ 0.00 (no entry here)
Gasoline ....................................: $ 6.00
---------- ---------
Total .......................................: $******.00 $14965.00

NO DRIVER INFO FOR UNIT


(don't see any holdback in there)

 

We have to pay between 250 and 400 bucks in dealer fees.

____es me off, cause ya still have to shop around. And often they are not forthcoming about them until you are signing paperwork.

I speak from experience, left and went to another place with the 250 fee.

paul

 

It was tossed tro me with my car keys. I gotta admit the girl that showed me everything about my car was hot as hell. I go back to the dealer just to say hi every now and then :D . Gotta love them college chicks .

 

Damn, they boned you for $6!

Also, in reply to the other posts... I did not know if there was a holdback, or not. I suspected NOT. That makes my $100 over invoice deal that much more sweet! To those of you that will say that the dealer wouldn't have sold it at this margin, please understand: if they are stupid when assigninging a value to your trade, they won't know they are losing $ until the deal is done and gone. ~hehe

 

You won't see Holdback on any invoice... it is a perk paid to the dealer by corporate directly... The dealer gets the money, just not from the buyer. Corporate gets it from their profit of the car.

 

Somebody had better tell Edmunds about that. They show a holdback of 2% of the base MSRP on Scions. That figure has been on the Edmunds site for a long time, so there has been ample opportunity to correct it if it were wrong.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incent...ack/index.html

Since when has holdback _ever_ been on the invoice?

I've had Scion, Honda, and Subaru dealers all tell me that they don't get any holdback, all with a straight face. Seeing as how they are invested in selling the car at the highest possible price, I'm not surprised.

George

 

I had to vote "no" on this one. It was difficult to find a dealer who wanted to simply sell me a stock unaccessorized car for the advertised price in a reasonable amount of time. They all wanted to play the "make them invest time" game so that when the deal-killers came up (junk fees, forced accessories, etc.) I would be pressured to give in just to have the ordeal over with. The fourth dealer I visited finally produced.

That was before the "feeding frenzy". It's probably worse now!

George

 

Why would you not see holdback on the invoice? You seem to know everything. For your information on every invoice that the dealership gets from the manufacture, be it a Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, etc, right on the invoice it shows the hold back on there. It will be designated with abbreviations or just state holdback. So far I have been really impressed with your knowledge of the auto industry, most of it has come from books of people with the same vast knowledge you have. I am about the same age as you. I have bought alot of cars since 15 years old when I paid cash for a new z28 camaro. I think you have only what you have read and the cars that you bought for knowledge which is pretty small in comparision to having worked on both sides of the desk.

 

I give up.

Trying to give all the information we can and still getting the same ( you are all con artists routine).

 

Because holdback is there to refund the dealer for the financing cost of having the car on the lot. I've never seen it on the invoice, but then again dealers have so many pieces of paper that they call the "invoice" I really have no way of knowing what particular document you are talking about.

The last car I negotiated, a Mercury Sable (for my Dad, not for me!), didn't have holdback listed on the invoice, but the dealer readily acknowledged it. After all, he was selling the car for below the invoice price and he had to make his money from somewhere!

I've noted that many (not all) people "on the other side of the desk" don't really know much about their business or the vehicles they sell. There isn't exactly a stringent education requirement for that job. As long as they can push the tin everything's fine with the dealer.

 

No Hassle for me. I got it from CarMaxScionLaurel, so historically they have that No Hassle thing. So even if I wasn't going to buy a SkeeOn (other choice being the Matrix or Echo or Sienna :? ), they wont budge on the price.

 

holdback is a scam guys, nothing different than msrp vs invoice. sorry to burst your bubble