Hi guys, I checked out the DIY from Kaeon and it looks complicated. I bought the AFR and oil pressure from glowshift and im scared to do this stuff. Does anyone have an easier install for these things because i dont want to install these gauges by making a hole in the s pipe lol. thats too scary. but if there is someone here in miami that could help me out or if someone could explain how to install this better please help me. Im not bashing on Kaeons work, he did an awesome job but its complicating for me.

Thanks

For the AFR gauge you can have someone put a bung in for you and then go home and finish up the job. That's what I did, My Autometer o2 sensor came with a bung and a plug. I had my mechanic drill out the hole and wield the bung in place. OR I know that some people were using what they called "vampire" taps. Basically the "vampire" tap would be clipped onto the wire to the ECU for the already inplace o2 sensors. Check around, I know a few guys on this site have been able to tap off that wire. I don't know about the oil gauge though, sorry. Hopefully it's a little more help.

when u are done, let me know the quality of the glowshift gauges. planning on getting them, but not sure if they are any good.

I just took a few pics right now of everything. Ghost that helps a bit but i need to search for the vampire things you are talking about. What gauge wire do I need to extend these? Also is there anyway that I could atleast let them light up for now?

http://www.myfruityimage.com/uploads/ad1798a886.jpg (http://www.myfruityimage.com/)
these are the gauges


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for the afr gauge

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more afr

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The afr wires

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OIL pressure instructions

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Oil pressure again

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Oil sender

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Oil wires

if all else fails take it to a local tuning shop who is reputable. they will be able to install it for you. thats the best bet.(my pics are up as you requested with one video.)

As far as getting them to light up all you have to do is hook the power sources up. . . ie ground and power. As far as extending them I used 18 gauge wire, however the autometer AFR gauge came with some really long wires. I'm no expert but I figure the same gauge wire is the way to go. . . I belive it's about 16 gauge, but I am not sure. I have a huge roll of 18 gauge laying around so I just used what I had. Do a search for "vampire" you might be able to come up with something. I'll tell you this much, if it gets to complicated or you are in doubt you might want to have a shop do the work. My mechanic is also my fellow co worker, I have a luxury that most people don't have. I will tell you though if I had to wire these things bymyself, I probably would have found someone who knew what they were doing. . . I don't know how much more help I can be.

the "vampire" clips are more commonly known as 3M scotchloks and they are available at any radio shack or home depot. they may also go by 3M wire taps.
and they look like this:

http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebserver.dyn?6666660Zjcf6lVs6EVs666WxJc7rrrrQ-

ok cool, so on the oil pressure to make it light up, it says the red wire on it has to go on a 12v ignition switch and the orange to headlamp other 12v source. Where do you suggest i place these?

nice someone who knows about those "vampire" things. . . BTW here's the post for the xB I don't know if it will help but hopefully it'll give you some ideas.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=100957&highlight=

so basically i get the wire for the afr (o2 sensor wire) and connect it to the o2 sensor wire coming off the s-pipe??? lol i think i might try and find a shop to do it, i hope they wont ccharge much.

also the red and orange wire on my oil pressure, can i just twist them together and connect it to the battery?

Not sure about this so hopefully someone else will chime in. . . as far as my temp gauge goes. . .

Power is tapped into the cigarette lighter wiring. This is done because from what I can tell the oil pressure sender seems to have almost the same set up as my temp gauge. so the top part of the diagram is for the light bulb.

I just took a look at my diagram for my temp. gauge, it's only got two wires but your set up has one more wire. To be on the safe side I don't recommend twisting the wires together. . . mainly because the way I see it. your set up would have been more like mine where it's only a power wire and a ground wire. I'm going to assume one is to tell the light to stay on only when the car is on and the other is for actual power to the bulb. I hope I'm not confusing you. I believe they want you to use the headlamp wire so that the backlight only comes on when the headlamps are being used. I noticed you have glowshift gauges. If I rememeber correctly the black faced when the car is off and only light up when you turn the car on. . . that could explain the two power wires.

FYI I used the cigarette lighter cause I never use it and I wouldn't like to be the one going through the wiring harness to find the ignition wire. . . also when I turn the car off the light goes out. Only down side is the light is on even when the headlights are off. I could be wrong though. Sorry if I am confusing you. Hope this helps a little.

no its not confusing at all. the only problem that i think is of overloading the cigarette lighter. because i have the cathodes hooked on to it and i have my radar connected to it. if i connect the afr and oil pressure to it will it be ok? so for the extra wire, all i need to do is buy longer wire and connect it to my headlights?

I'm not sure. . .if they mean the headlight switch or the headlight wiring. . . If I only knew why it needed to be connected to it. What about wiring it into the fuse box. Find a fuse like the clock or something and wedge the wire into it. I've got my fog lights and Temp. gauge plug into the the clock fuse and I forget the other at the moment. If you do end up doing that find a fuse that gets no power when the car is off. Otherwise you might have the gauges on all the time and kill the battery. For instance my fog light switch is in the clock fuse, sometimes I forget to turn off the lights at the switch but the clock goes off when I take the key out of the ignition so the fog lights go out also. It might not be the best way but not only does it work it also is pretty easy. . . well not wedging the wire into the fuse socket with the fuse. . .ha ha ha. Of course since I haven't said it before try at your own risk. I did it at my own risk . . .hehe.

lol, so i should find the clock wire and tap it into it? or just place it into its socket? lol its gonna be funny shoving it in their, i hope it will support its power. Th afr should be easy because its just a black and red wire, well it has a grey wire but thats for the o2. so i can just ground the black one and put the red one on the cigarette too.

Not the clock wire. . .

1. find a fuse that gets no power when the car is off, on the xB one of them is for the clock. The reason for this is you don't want the gauge to constantly on and/or draining unneccesary power from the battery. (easy to do if you have a test light)
2. Take the fuse out.
3. take the wire and put it into where the fuse goes
4. put fuse in. ( this might be a little fustrating and time consuming)

when you put the fuse in the wire is going to make it really hard to fit it in. I see aftermarket alarms wired this way all the time. . . as far as I'm concerned it's not the right way. It works though, I have had my foglights wired this way for about a year now.

o kool alright im gonna try this in a bit. i really appreciate your help

good luck, I hope everything works out for you.

Not the clock wire. . .

1. find a fuse that gets no power when the car is off, on the xB one of them is for the clock. The reason for this is you don't want the gauge to constantly on and/or draining unneccesary power from the battery. (easy to do if you have a test light)
2. Take the fuse out.
3. take the wire and put it into where the fuse goes
4. put fuse in. ( this might be a little fustrating and time consuming)

when you put the fuse in the wire is going to make it really hard to fit it in. I see aftermarket alarms wired this way all the time. . . as far as I'm concerned it's not the right way. It works though, I have had my foglights wired this way for about a year now.

Instead of jamming a wire in there. GO down to pepboys autozone, advance auto arts, napa, etc....and get a mini add a fuse adder thingy. They are like $3 and you pull the old fuse out, Plug the old fuse into the adapter along with a new fuse, plug the adapter into where the fuse was, then attach the power wire to the adder. Its the correct way to do it.

lol im going to have to wait till monday for this stuff. because the guy thats helping me out needs to see the o2 sensor for the afr gauge. he said hes gonna tap the gauge wire to the o2 sensor in which it should work. but they said that there is 3 wires, a white one and 2 black ones. so we have to make a good guess lol. and the oil pressure, we will figure it out.

just do what nick06tc said, like I said before the way I did it isn't the correct way but it works.

about the 1 white wire and 2 black wires. . . I had forgotten about that. Things got so complicated and stupid the mechanic I work with said let me just drill a hole in your exhaust pipe. We had a good laugh. It's funny how simple this stuff is and yet it seems so complicated. I wonder if this thread is going to help anyone else. ':ponder:'

lmao but do you know which wire it is?

I dont think you can simply tap in and get the signal you need. I am pretty sure that you need to use it as a wideband setup and tap into the exhaust gases. The senders that are on our car are not wideband senders and wont work.

so what do you suggest I do? Because I need a reading. I understand the afr wont be accurate, but atleast if i could get an idea on it. because soon im gonna be turboed, I will have an emanage too to help with afr so idk if i have to worry too much about it.Could you explain how to tap it into the exhaust gases thing you were telling me about?

I know there are a bunch of others who pretty much have done what you are going to do. Do a search and ask the people who have turbo'd their tC's. I think you'll get the answers that you'll need from them.

unless the AFR gauge you purchased is a wideband type, it will be pretty much useless for tuning that turbo setup. It will however put on a cool light show.

lol i kno that but still I would like it to be connected. Atleast if i can get it lighted up that would be great. So can i connect the red to the cigarette and the black to a grounding point and nothing bad will happen?

well i turned the ligght on one of the gauges, lol it looks pretty cool. too bad it isnt blue but watever its an eye catcher. so now i just need to find out where to hook the rest of the wires in

sigh i tried to connect the second gauge on the same wires as the first one but only one would turn on.

Ok i got the air fuel ratio to work. basically all you have to do is tap the black wire on the o2 sensor on the s-pipe to the wire on the gauge and thats it. I used one of those vampire things :)

Now i cant figure out where sender goes for the oil pressure. after i figure out that piece, everything should be smooth sailing. I like how the gauges look too. they r so hott

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1551317#1551317

pictures of my gauges. wait till i recieve the vinyl, it should look alot better and professional i hope

Ok i got the air fuel ratio to work. basically all you have to do is tap the black wire on the o2 sensor on the s-pipe to the wire on the gauge and thats it. I used one of those vampire things :)

Now i cant figure out where sender goes for the oil pressure. after i figure out that piece, everything should be smooth sailing. I like how the gauges look too. they r so hott

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1551317#1551317

pictures of my gauges. wait till i recieve the vinyl, it should look alot better and professional i hope

That setup for the AF gauge wont be correct. It might show numbers but they wont be accurate.

yeah, it's post cat.

Itsn't there something out to where everything like oil,water, and temp can be monitored on one small lcd screen?

i understand the afr wont be accurate, later on i will get a wideband. but for now this is ok. do y0ou guys know where do I hook the sender up for the oil pressure?

the easiest way is to get an oil adapter. It fits between the oil filter and the block and has multiple ports on it for connecting gauges. I have one I got from someone on Scionlife. You can also install a T off of the feed on the side of the cylinder head (driver's side). Then install the stock sensor and the gauge sensor. Only thing is this is where your oil feed for a turbo or supercharger will install, so it may be too much. Those electric sending units for oil pressure are heavy when hung on there. I have seen them actually snap off the T fitting causing oil to spew everywhere. The block adapter is the best way.

Here is the post for an example of an electric sensor breaking the T fitting:

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=324159&t=324159#324159

Read about half-way down the page.

wow, my friend was thinking about putting that T valve on it too lmao, guess thats out of the question. so where did you get the oil adapter from? my oil sender looks like that guys, its not heavy at all either.

Well I know Greddy makes universal ones. I don't know where the one I have was purchased from as I bought it from a guy on here. I will check the brand name when I get home. I forget what it is.

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that looks pretty sophisticated and kool

That will relocate the oil filter too. What you want is THIS (http://www.acautotechnic.com/main/products/prod_GSOS10.htm). It will go in between the oil filter and the block.

o ok, im gonna look into that. ERIC-TC just sent me a pic of his setup. this is it

http://www.myfruityimage.com/uploads/bde6440c6f.jpg (http://www.myfruityimage.com/)

now it looks like he removed the piece was there, but where did he put the stock parT?

not sure where he put the stock sensor. On domestics you can remove it and not get a CEL, just get the dummy light all the time, so we used to remove the bulb from the dash. No more dummy light, and the gauge was functional. Also remember you are planning on going turbo, so you will have to run your oil feed off of there. You could put it there temporarily until you get the turbo of course.

ok ERIC-tc emailed me again and told me he put the stock part in a zip lock bag and hid it somewhere, so im guessing I dont really need that stock piece for now. Yea i understand the turbo will need to be run off of there.

all i do is screw the sender in and thats it right? cuz he said not to use threadlock because it will mess the contact up of the sender. but no oil should spew out or anything?? lol man i ask too many questions