it will be similar in design theory and size but it will not be the t2b and it will not be the new bB and it will not be the larger xB mule pic that is posted .


it will probably have a few t2b elements to it.

what sources give you that garbage???

nothing like what i've been hearing from my reps

just the dealer i'll be working for , a regional scion exec , northern cali toyota exec , and dealers everywhere. as well as every toyota tech i work with for my promotional job.


each model/nameplate gets 3 years of life then dead.

Hmmm... I wonder what it will be called.

I guess I'll have to get a Honda Fit for my next true JDM car.

It will be called. Box.

each model/nameplate gets 3 years of life then dead.

Yup thats true! ANd my source is from Toyota Corp in Torrance :P

i agree with the three year to a model...

but that only means the body style. if we get something that looks like the new bB but a bit bigger (bigger platform) and named xB, that does not violate their methodology.

I guess I'll have to get a Honda Fit for my next true JDM car.

im already one step ahead of you on that... :P

i agree with the three year to a model...

but that only means the body style. if we get something that looks like the new bB but a bit bigger (bigger platform) and named xB, that does not violate their methodology.from what i'm being told the name also dies.

i cant imagine them keeping things a secret for much longer.

So spill all the beans guys whats the new xB really gonan have in it?

a vvt-i engine....

a scion emblem..

...a driver...

i heard the 3 year cycles and different names when Scion launched 3 years ago. as cool as it may sound i don't know if its good from a sales standpoint to start all over building a name for a new model. when people think Scion the first thing that pops in their mind is the box. the same can be said if you say VW people think of the bug. popular status or brand image takes awhile to build and they've done that in the last 3 years with the xB. give it a complete redesign that's revolutionary not evolutionary with cool new to the industry features and keep the name.

So spill all the beans guys whats the new xB really gonna have in it?Nothing because there should be no new xB. It will be different and called something else.

Its pretty late in the game if there is to be a new model for 2007 and no one yet can tell us what it is. They would have to replace the xB in 2007 if they were sticking to 3 years. Again, we would have to know pretty soon if there was a model change for 2007.

I sure hope they have something in the works that they aren't telling us about. If they go back on their word about the 3 years and out thing. That will be major lame. But another year worth of xB production will be good for future parts needs! I'm starting to tire of even thinking about what the heck they are gonna do.

Its pretty late in the game if there is to be a new model for 2007 and no one yet can tell us what it is. They would have to replace the xB in 2007 if they were sticking to 3 years. Again, we would have to know pretty soon if there was a model change for 2007.

there ia something in the works...

as far as replacing the xB righ away, thats a no no.
the current xB will sunset (stop production), they will sell of the remaining stock.
then aout 5-6 months later the new one will be released.

so don't think they will have to go right into another model to keep three options on the dealer lots.

the 2007 xB will be the same that's all i can say. :|

the 2007 xB will be the same that's all i can say. :|And you know this HOW? Without any facts your statement means nothing.

Toyota said from the very beginning that all Scion models will be short lived - and be replaced with different models that do not share the same name.

Look up some of the earlier Scion news, from back in 2003.

true, but that does not mean they could not change that decision...right???

No, it's true. Every three years they are going to come out with another model, different than the previous model and it won't be called the previous model either. It's just a part of how Scion does things.

the 2007 xB will be the same that's all i can say. :|And you know this HOW? Without any facts your statement means nothing.

He cant really say, being a dealer i know from my buddy being a Scion manager they know whats coming or to a certain degree can assume whats coming. However its putting there butt/job on the line by saying some things but from what i have heard it will be a 1.8 L in the new xB

No, it's true. Every three years they are going to come out with another model, different than the previous model and it won't be called the previous model either. It's just a part of how Scion does things.
if this is how they are doing things....didn't the xA hit the states the same time as the xB???????

any news on the xA situation??

didn't they release scions in mid 2003?? so they are already going longer that three years...

read the business speak here..
short model life span. (3-4-5 years) industry is 8
totally new models, not 'freshi ups' (could reuse names, but 100% new design) industry is a fresh up every at the half life span or 4 years

No, it's true. Every three years they are going to come out with another model, different than the previous model and it won't be called the previous model either. It's just a part of how Scion does things.I truely hope they stick to what they've been saying.

I don't really care how many new scions come out, just produce one with higher hp thats a straight swap for my xb

No, it's true. Every three years they are going to come out with another model, different than the previous model and it won't be called the previous model either. It's just a part of how Scion does things.
if this is how they are doing things....didn't the xA hit the states the same time as the xB???????

any news on the xA situation??

didn't they release scions in mid 2003?? so they are already going longer that three years...

read the business speak here..
short model life span. (3-4-5 years) industry is 8
totally new models, not 'freshi ups' (could reuse names, but 100% new design) industry is a fresh up every at the half life span or 4 yearsmodel years. not actual years. meaning 2004 , 2005 , 2006. they can sell they earlier and or longer.

I don't really care how many new scions come out, just produce one with higher hp thats a straight swap for my xb AMEN. this guy knows the only good thing about a new xB with a different motor. and that is getting rid of the crappiest motor ever that we currently are pestered with.

No, it's true. Every three years they are going to come out with another model, different than the previous model and it won't be called the previous model either. It's just a part of how Scion does things.
if this is how they are doing things....didn't the xA hit the states the same time as the xB???????

any news on the xA situation??



i wouldn't be surprized if they drop the xA all together just make the larger xb and 4 door tc

TOYOTA/SCION/LEXUA

Change Cars Every 5 years
Change Trucks Every 8 years

2003 - 2007 !

but here is the kicker~ they can change mid year, just keep that in mind~

Ok here it is, :nails: the new Scion is going to be called the Scion xL. :rofl:
No, I don't work for Scion but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. :crazy:

^^^ so did i!!!

Ok here it is, :nails: the new Scion is going to be called the Scion xL. :rofl:
No, I don't work for Scion but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. :crazy:


Wil the have an Lx version of the xL? I've GOT to know!!!

TOYOTA/SCION/LEXUA

Change Cars Every 5 years
Change Trucks Every 8 years

2003 - 2007 !

but here is the kicker~ they can change mid year, just keep that in mind~scion is not using the 5 year plan.


and scions didnt start in 03 they were sold in 03 as 04 models. they will most probably be sold in 07 but as 06 models.

Well for certain in a few months we will all know, but all this speculating and guessing is entertaining, I'm just hoping for more power and at least as unique looking.

each model/nameplate gets 3 years of life then dead.

Hmmm, which auto manufacturers first introduced this sort of policy? Ah, I remember. It was General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, back in the '50s.

Sure glad to see that Toyota is showing such tremendous innovation! New sheet metal and badges every three years, what a concept!

George

It will be called. Box.

the succsor to the Xb.....the Bx! ...x2B?.....b2X?....B2K?....or the B.o.X

xD?????????????

i think if they stuck a 1.8l engine into the xB and gave it a facelift i would probably trade up. Maybe offer both the 1.5 and a 1.8?

They won't do two different engines.

How about the yA, and yB?

They won't do two different engines.
but they should.

the 2007 xB will be the same that's all i can say. :|And you know this HOW? Without any facts your statement means nothing. i disagree with you on this having no facts to back up that statement the only reason i am agreing with the fact that the xb will be here 07 is becasue of the RS.4 Mazora Red if there are all these speculations on that color being released and it is in the dealer stock inventory of what is an option, what car are they going to relase it on. Are they just gonna be like here is your factory paint the Mazora Red. :no: There has to be an 07 if that color is going to be released come on. Also i have no fact or evidence to prove that there will be an 07 it just seemed a lil tid bit funny to me that they wont have an 07 model but they will have the option for an RS.4 paint. Now it would make sense if they just release the RS editions and thats it for 07. but then even if they do that it is still going to be an 07 so then there will be an 07 model so you cant say there will not be 07 models becasue that would be the 07 model.

The concept of changing models every 3 years sounds cool on the surface but really I don't like it. It means less available / more expensive parts for repairs needed in the future. Less aftermarket support, because most aftermarket companies are looking for the biggest user base to develop for. I would also think it would cost Toyota more to have to constantly retool their assembly line every 3 years to start pushing a new line out. One other thing that I ran into in a previous car.. the first year of a new model generally seems to be the year plagued with minor bugs that need to be worked out, and the second year has some components slightly redesigned to fix those initial problems. If you are changing models completely every 3 years, then your brand name becomes synonymous with having minor issues all the time.

I mention the last bit from personal experience. I bought a 2002 SVT Focus, one of the first 500 ever built. Within the 2 years I owned it I had to take it into the dealer roughly once a month for at least an over night stay. That first year of that model saw a high number of clutch failures between 15-20k miles (mine included), the throttle cable would rub a groove in the engine cover (mine included), and there was a recall in the cruise control as it could get stuck in WOT. All of these things were fixed by the 2003 SVT Focus, and thankfully fixed under warranty for me. Point being, I got burned being an early adopter of a new model car, and these are not problems that only Ford has. I have seen similar stories with Honda and Subaru, etc but they at least keep their models well past that initial introduction so it becomes a distant memory when it is all said and done. In my opinion, a 5 year lifespan is just about right for a car. Much longer then that and they start looking dated (PT Cruiser anyone?).

Generik... While I agree with you in principal, we also have to consider the stable of JDM vehicles Toyota has to pull from. We got both the xA and xB from established JDM vehicles that were modified for use in the USDM market. This all but eliminated first year bugs commonly associated with "new" models.

And while I don't think Scion will be doing the same thing this time around as they did with their initial release, I do think they aren't willing to waste the opportunity to pull from an existing established platform. I do think the change over will be more extensive than switching from right to left hand drive and meeting U.S. safety ratings and regulations. But I would bet that "mechanically" the new Scions have been running around the streets of Japan, or maybe even the U.S. for at least a couple of years before they go into production as Scions.

The way I see it this is the only way they can keep Scion a viable, marketable, fresh brand with 3-4 year life cycles and a reputation for Toyota quality. It can be done. It has been done. And for all of our sake, I hope it continues to be done.

That is a good point RTon20s. As I mentioned, my experience has been mainly with domestic brands. Being new to this forum and new to Toyota in general, I never even considered that they got road tested for a good amount of time before being shipped over to us. When I was into the Focus heavily, the main competiton was Honda and VW, so I am very much in the dark still on the Toyota development process and what they have in Japan vs. what is in the US. Thanks for the info. :)

Here's what I know to be true ... no '07 xA or xB. Production will stop around christmas, and inventory will sell out by april/may at which time the '08 models (Complete redesigns) will be introduced.

The actual 08 prototypes, it has been rumored by Scion, may make a special appearance @ HIN Miami in December.

Thats what I know ... from sources within Scion Corporate. They could be wrong too, but they also love to leak all kinds of info, this however makes sense.

^^ there are 2007 Scion tCs out, but there will never be a 2007 Scion xB or xA

Here's what I know to be true ... no '07 xA or xB. Production will stop around christmas, and inventory will sell out by april/may at which time the '08 models (Complete redesigns) will be introduced.

The actual 08 prototypes, it has been rumored by Scion, may make a special appearance @ HIN Miami in December.

Thats what I know ... from sources within Scion Corporate. They could be wrong too, but they also love to leak all kinds of info, this however makes sense.minus the hin thing tis what i've heard.

^^ there are 2007 Scion tCs out, but there will never be a 2007 Scion xB or xAthe man is right.