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So what you're saying is that.............Between the Super B and the Minivan, dead stock, you would take the minivan?


hahaha

With modern engineering yes, the minivan performs better than the older cars. But let's also take into account the weight of the power to weight ratio of the older cars, engine engineering (VVT-i...VTEC...), overall weight distribution of the vehicle.............all those factors come into play and if you don't pit similar cars against each other for true test results, there's no point in testing them against one another.

We should put our tC vs. a Viper right? Or maybe a Pinto vs. Prelude?

web

Needless to say, today's autos are designed for cornering and obstructed driving situations. Back in the 60s, cars WERE designed for style and power all in one.

Today's design of autos has gone down hill and they are trying to get back into it with some "retro" attempts.


Dollar for Dollar, no second guess................. 1970 Super B vs. any minivan ever made...................

anyone with any sense of worth would take the Super B hands down.

YourNameHere

im totaly aware of the value of a superbird. im just trying to point out horsepower numbers mean nothing

web

Yeah, I didn't mean worth as in money in the last one, but more for what a person would value that car vs. a minivan...............my bad on that.


It's definately opinions here, but it's almost impossible to say no to a car that has 400 hp just b/c it may not "perform" as good as something today that has less hp and is designed for grocery getting.

web

Plus, who could say no to that 3 foot wing! Acutally looks good on that car.

YourNameHere

i wouldnt go as far as looks good. i like the story behind it. im not saying they are not fun cars, my friend has a 65 Coronet 500 with a 440 max wedge and its a hell of alot of fun. the biggest down fall to those cars was the POS tires. Put a set of modern tires on it and it would prob do much better…then the suspension…then some fiberglass panels….then…….did you ever watch sports car revolution? They took to old mopars and totally reengineered them to modern specs. Was a really cool series

web

Nah, never seen it. I could definately agree with that though. Take the old design of the body and engine and mix it with today's engineering. We would have some nasty cars! Talk about putting power on the ground! My dad had a 72 Nova with a 396 and my gf's dad had a 70 Chevelle with a 383 stroker. They loved those cars and they were amazing to drive they said. My dad even used that as the car for his and my mom's wedding! hahaha

I would love to have a 72 built Nova for my wedding car Too bad he got rid of it moving from Italy to here.

YourNameHere

thats pretty killer.my dad has been a porsche guy. his never leaves the garage. i want an old 914 project car. or an A1 GTI with the 2.0 16V engine from the 92 GTI...135hp in a car that weights 2000lbs! hehehehe

web

I like the Porsche they mentioned on Car and Driver for their 10 car shoot out. Of course, the Lingenfelter Vette was number 1 .............but the Porsche (I can't remember what model) had a Stage 5 turbo setup pushing around 600+ hp and they did a header shot of the car on the dyno.............the headers got WHITE hot and then they let off............amazing!

YourNameHere

i have been a prosche-phile since i was a year old. i want a red Boxster S sooooooooo bad

web

I would like the RUF CTR2 Sport............all wheel drive with a closing 600 hp engine

Skunk

Call me ignorant, since I'm not a huge domestic fan. Especially not of old muscle, but what can those engines do that a modern SRT-8 6.1 Hemi, Z06 LS7, LS2, SRT-10, or Ford 5.4 S/C can't?

xSTANDxSTRONGx

When I build up my '71 (Chevelle) Malibu, I wan to have a Japanese built 454 in it. But only if it sounds American. If they can get 300 hp out of a 213ci (3.5l in the G35) what could they do for a 454 (7.4l). According to my calcs, you could push about 630hp with an equal level of tuning. And that's all motor! Add a bottle and a S/C.....

Ur dad had that Nova in Italy?? damn, that's a huge car for that country!

xSTANDxSTRONGx

I forgot to mention the MPG of a J. built 454.

phungy

Only Chevrolet automobile I would buy is a Corvette.

ehj

-ign-

Unless GM knows how to make carbon fiber cheaper than steel, then that would be possible. If not, I expect that carbon fiber bodied car to sell for about $100,000


Either way, a 200hp Chevy 4 banger is big news? Isn't there already a Cobalt and a Saturn ION redline?

I think that concept car will stay a concept.

YourNameHere

im sure they could make some fiberglass panels (corvette) and keep the weight down and sell it for 25k. the best part is that its diesel powered!

ehj

For $25,000 I'd rather get a


Mitsubishi is also said to be hard at work at making a Lancer Evo for $25,000

I really don't think there's anything better than those 2 cars in the 4 banger, AWD, 4 door segment.

YourNameHere

but its a diesel..it will get ATLEAST 45mpg. if i can get 0-60 in say 6sec, awd, 45mpg and pay less then 25k im in! the WRX and Evo are good cars, and iw ouldnt turn down either

ehj

I highly doubt 45mpg. VW Golf turbo diesel gets 44mpg out of a 1.9L. You put a bigger turbo, awd, double the hp... and get the same mpg? LOL, not going to happen.

That's wishful thinking.

-ign-

VW Golf TDI sold for $20,000 puts out 100hp, 0-60 11.9 seconds, and got between 37 - 44mpg.

Besides, diesel cost more than regular gas here so I'll pass.