Dang I've been looking at many different cars. From nissans, hondas, toyotas... and every single one of them has something illegal on thier car.

And one of these owners actually scorned another car owner for putting legal parts on his car instead of illegal parts, and then called him a retard in the tuning world. (the part being a 50 state legal header, and a race header).

Seriously, what is with people?

 

Actually what is with the Laws? The USA is becoming a Nanny state. Im sorry but you cannot go thru the day without violating some law. I think a lot of laws need to be dumped from the books

 

Yes everyone breaks laws everyday. Including myself. 90% of the time. Its un-intentional (speeding is usually the majority of that 10%), the rest are really un-intentional.
By no means it doesn't make it right, or okay.

But people don't set out with breaking laws in mind when they wake up in the morning (of course 99.9% of the time speeding is in mind).

But when you put illegal parts on a car. You know they are illegal, and you are fully aware by putting them on your car you are breaking the law. Often with the mind set (No one will check for about 5 years. Or, Its not illegal if you don't get caught)

Its not my car, and I am not concerned with the doings and going ons of other people.

But I am concerned with the lack of integrity that I am observing.
When I say "Lack of integrity" I am speaking of people knowingly doing anything wrong (Not just illegal parts on cars etc) and having no remorse what so ever for it.

 

i don't know what your saying but the laws are redicioulous so i don't feel bad breaking them

i mean techinically a header isn't legal on my car or my 10% tint for that matter...

theres enough other stupid ____ that goes on legal/non leagal for me to be worried about minor things like my tint/header...

 

^^^
This is what I'm talking about. While I understand what you are saying. I don't see the grey area other people see.

Its all black and white to me. Right is right, and wrong is wrong.

A white lie is still a lie.

While the grey areas and white lies usually don't hurt anyone. I'm just trying to understand the trend.

Even if I think about illegal modding my car. It usually stops there. and I don't have the nerve to purchase or install it on my car.

Kudos to those who can, but i guess its just the way I am.

I guess I am just wary of "The one time".

 

I don't know what to tell you, Tim. I hope that life gets better for you and you don't stress too much about the "black and White" way you see the world.

What might be Illegal in your state might not be in mine.

 

wierd.. anyway...

i'm compltely ok with the illegality of it
i don't do illegal things with my car...
if i get caught for my tint or my header and the cop writes me a ticket.. so be it i will pay it

thats the price i pay for my passion ...
big deal...

do you seriously mean to tell me you have NEVER driven over the speed limit.. even ONE mile per hour... ?!?!
if you have that is illegal...

 

I already posted that I myself have broken laws. And besides speeding, in my adult life I have never intentionally broke a law (When i was in highschool and what not, is a totally different story.)

And here its not just a ticket. With our "Drag-net" taskforce. Its an impound, fine, and possible suspension or revoking your liscence (for repeat offenders)

I'm a yes or no, right or wrong kind of guy. I know of the grey area. I just can't get myself to participate. .... Maybe I have OCD. Anyone know of any good perscriptions?

 

You need to remember that its different in other states. I dont think any other states are as restrictive as California. If I lived in CA, I dont think I would mod my car at all.

 

so true... thank god for not living in cali...

 

i have to swap out my CAI and HIDs before inspection so my car will pass.

 

omg NC has "inspections"??? Why do they care if you have a CAI??? HIDs I can understand because some people think they are hazardous, but CAI???

 

^^ the cai removes the charcoal filter on your car, hence illegal. in CA you cannot make your cars exhaust louder than stock. period. if you put an axel back on your car. you are illegal. Now if it is a factory installed part different story. But there are so many people that do it cops usually don't care unless it is obnoxious. Technically if you are under like 93 db your exhaust is legal......but it isn't if your car was quieter to begin with. Better put your stocker exhaust on in a hurry.

 

i bagged my xb and it is illegal...so what? if i get in trouble i pay the consequences...

 

what alot of the laws that are created in regards to modifications is mostly CARB issues, they also allow for police officers probable cause to pull you over. Most of the time if you are driving with the flow of traffic, and dont do anything to your car that calls immediate attention your fine. example, if you see a truck with airbags and he is operating them normally, not dragging frame at 75 down the freeway you proabably wont get hassled. and regards to nemesis post, he is 100% right, you may be able to get away with it, but legally speaking any modifications other then what is considered factory is technically illegal, and if you get the kind of officer that just is having a bad day you can be in a up a creek.

Most of the other laws pretain to DOT certification, unless DOT has certified you part you really are taking a risk according to them, the part has not been tested by DOT and may be unpredictable or possibly unsafe, now how true that is, is totally debatable.

i have seen police officers pull people over for just having a wing too large, or windsheild banner decal, or even crap hanging from the rearview mirror and cited for driving with an obstructed view.

if your in california look up the vehicle code book it has everything in there you cannot do and cant do, and if you do do it, you should know what you are getting into to begin with.

and Timmy, you talk about "Dragnet" my neighbor is a CHP officer, and has told me they have a directive "if it looks like a moddified car, then it is a moddified car" and they can pull you over for it, and then go down the vehicle code book and cite you out, they only need one reason to pull you over, and usually it is your exhaust. My neighbor told me that if you can hear it at idle, then that is probable cause to pull you over.......
it is not always the under throttle noise they are looking at, now if your driving a clean car, without primer or what you may think is a ricer you proabably are safe, atleast in fresno county, now in other counties they may be more aggressive.

also alot of CHP officers are being certified as B.A.R level technicians, so if they pull you over, they most likely know what the mod is, and what it does, who made it, and the cost.

all i have to say is keep your nose clean and you will be fine.

 

And due to all the honda ricers out there. Cops know what to look for, so hoping he doesn't check isn't in the picture.

Even if I move out of state. I will still use the CARB standards. Because it makes modifying your car more challenging and I like a challenge.

I've said it before. A california street legal 12 second car out of a 4 cyl, impresses me much more than any 10 second car.

 

^^CA. V.C. 27151 No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor.
You need to take that magna flow exhaust off your car if you want to be legal.

 

I break the law with my car all the time.

I do it because I'm evil, and so are all of you.

(P.S. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS POST DOING IN MOTORSPORTS ANYWAY?!)

 

yeah, alot of the ricers really ruined it for the hobby..........

 

I dont have a charcoal canister on my stock intake. Never did have one. Do they add that on in California?

Thats funny that they will not let you have an xA with mods but will let you drive a big old stinking useless suv suckin up more gas and puttin out particulates like crazy. Its like the HOV lanes here. I cant drive my Metro in them, but people riding harleys are allowed, even though Im getting better mileage than them.