Noooo.....I'm not making unfair comparsions. I'm not comparing at all. I was just looking at the facts in that this tC in question was modded right? And his cliams were that of a Stock GT right? I'm just seeing if it was possible.

PS....What happens on a track, are not the same results of what could/would happen on the street. You already knew that, but I just thought I would share that for the rest of the people.

Look above, I found the times for Stock GT's.

 

You are the one that said all the weight goes to the back,thn i said then that it should make the tC corner like none other! You guys are killing me! I never said FWD was better, and I'm not trying to convince anyone that FWD is a better setup than RWD. I even said myself RWD beats FWD hands down, (that's why I freakin sold my tC for the 350Z), becuz it's freakin' Rear Wheel Drive! I'm trying to show you that on the street, with average joe drivers, how a car such as the tC could have possibly beaten a mustang GT. AGAIN I SAY(FOR THE HARD OF HEARING, in this case hard of reading). I"m not Arguing RWD vs FWD( i'm pretty sure I've said that before too). I'm really on the mutang guys side when it comes to someone in a 4 banger claiming to have to have beat a GT mustang. IT sounds pretty crazy. But I will repeat my self a third time, and say again, I was there, I was driving, I raced the mustang. The mustang driver was the one edging up at the light and reving his engine. I thought it'd be fun to go for it, expecting to loose. Well loe and behold! I take him by a maybe a car length.... He looked pretty ____ed when he pulled up at the next light, so maybe he did screw up. I don't know. All I know it I was infront of him when I let off. That is it! You can't argue with that. And yet you guys get so ____ed off and defensive at the thought that this might have actually happened. Don't think you are the God of cars just because youre 11 years older than me.

 

I agree that what happens on the streets is a terrible indicator of what car is quicker, particularly any street race that goes from a roll. There are just too many outside factors in a street race, 9/10 street races aren't entirely fair races, it's from a roll, someone goes first, someone doesn't go full throttle etc. That's why i only take seriously runs at the track.

As far as a GT goes, your looking at high 13/low 14 for 05+, low 14/mid 14 for 99-04 <new edge>, and high 14/low 15 for 94-98 stock. So maybe a modded Tc could run with a 94-98 auto, the others are out of it's range without f/i.

 

^^I own Rear and Front....Now I just need Side-to-Side..

 

This is probably one of the most intelligent sentences in this whole thread.

While I am not a fan of mustangs and will probably never own one, I do respect them. Last weekend, the Central Iowa Mustang Club rented a track to autoX on and invited anyone to come regardless of what they drove. I had a fun time chatting with the mustang guys about our cars. It was interesting to see how the mustangs went around the track compared to the precious few FWD cars at the event.

Seeing some of those cars rocket out of the turns gave me respect for the power of those cars. I wouldn't want to try to take one at the strip or on the road (racing on public roads is stupid anyway ) because of the difference in power. Keep racing on the track. Bring me a timeslip of you beating a GT and THEN, I will be impressed. Until then

 

How did the FWD's do against the Mustangs on the Auto-x?

 

I didn't notice this thread until now.. I just wanted to share my experiences against a few mustang GT's.

One of my good friend's has a stock '03 GT automatic, not many miles on it.. Back when I had intake & header only we raced a few times. My tC would get a jump on him off the line all the way to about the middle of third gear, then he would pull on me (maybe about 2 car lengths).. Every single time we raced it would be same outcome. If his car was manual it would definately beat me badly from the line and from a roll, but that automatic really hurts that car.

I raced another automatic '04 GT at the track (1/8th mile) about 2 weeks ago.. He ran a 9.7, I ran a 9.9 but I got the win light because of a good reaction time, however his trap speed was about 3-4 mph higher then mine, so from a roll it would of been over for me. The best time I saw him run all night was a 9.6, best from me was a 9.8, so it is a pretty close race as long as you don't go past about 75mph.

 

Like I said, there were very few FWD cars. It was my first time ever on a road course but I have done a lot of research in "racing theory" so I got my car figured out relitively quickly. I ended up about 27th out of the 50+ cars there. There was a CRX that got a little better than me but it was built for the track. The rest of the FWD cars were below me.

On my last run, however, something clicked in my head and I started seeing all the lines I should have been taking. If I would have had one more run, I know I could have shaved a few more seconds off my time, but that will have to wait till another track day.

The mustangs were pretty much split with some being fast and some being slow because the drivers didn't know what they were doing. A couple of the cars had problems because their cars had too much horsepower for them to control and were sliding all over the track. It was a pretty small and tight track ( 0.6 miles) so the V-6 stangs didn't do too bad.

There were a few guys there that knew how to really race and just blew everyone else away. They were the fun ones to watch because they were so smooth. They knew how to modulate the throttle and brakes and keep their tires stuck to the track.

 

Yeah, if a driver knows what they are doing, they will do some major damage in a RWD if it is set up right. The trick is that many more people today grew up and learned on a FWD, so they really screw up the RWD on the corners when they get in one. I grew up on dirt roads in RWD cars. I guess you could say we had our version of "poor mans rally "P " basically racing down dirt roads.. not the smartest thing, but we were young and dumb (16 - 17) you know. But, we all grew up learning to drive young and spending a lot of time on motocross bikes.. so we did some stupid stuff.. at least when we werent around other people and cars. We also had some way out in the country paved roads with some nice curves in them we used to act like idiots on... But once you take enough RWD cars down curvy dirt roads at 80+ mph and then jump in a FWD you quickly learn how deficient one is in the area of racing. A skilled driver in a RWD uses it 100% to thier advantage. I would love to find another RWD to autocross in. So much more control if you use it.

 

Have we finally ran out of stuff to talk about in the tC vs. the said GT, that we are talking about other stuff now....LOL.

 

^^ Pretty much I think we all got tired of trying to convince people of stuff.. kinda like a party.. two people start arguing..more join, then get sick of it and just drink and chit chat :D

 

 

Who cares, its a matter of facts, an 05 modded Tc against a stock 05 mustang GT with normal driver experience, is no contest, everyone knows it, GT easily, end of story.

 

I thought we were done with this?

 

 

Thats what I said! BAN HIM! lol

 

 

great thread. as a tC "homer" (because i own one), i am having a blast reading how folk try and compare our 4 cyl fwd to an 8 cyl rwd. gotta love it, i'm almost on board with the whole "little engine that could"...heck yeah, it's totally possible for our camry to beat a gt. all we need is a bad driver in the mustang!
reppin' for the tC!
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Now, if you want to discuss JD Power and Assoc., fewest problems, customer satisfaction, best bang for the buck, at least it ain't a Ford, then we can compete.
we can't compete against a GT mustang power wise. (apples oranges).

 

Aeee...just slap on a turbo and call it a day..

 

that's easy for you to say, xA's don't have ____.