Street racing is not a sport
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No the schools weren't. But Skip Barber start racing in the 50's while he was in college....with the SCCA not the street. He won a few national champs and then went on to dominate in formula cars. He retired and opened the school...
Carrol Smith is another perfect example. He carved his way into racing through the European Circuit in the early 60's with his own money and then became the Ford lead Engineer with Shelby when they spanked Ferrari 4 times at the 24 Hours Le Mans series with the GT40.
You use "they" very blandly and throw it around like it encompasses racers of all types. It doesn't. In fact, early stock car racing was a frighteningly loose body of insane people who needed a legit circuit to get them OFF the street. Name me one modern day stock car driver who got his big break in street racing....
Carrol Smith is another perfect example. He carved his way into racing through the European Circuit in the early 60's with his own money and then became the Ford lead Engineer with Shelby when they spanked Ferrari 4 times at the 24 Hours Le Mans series with the GT40.
You use "they" very blandly and throw it around like it encompasses racers of all types. It doesn't. In fact, early stock car racing was a frighteningly loose body of insane people who needed a legit circuit to get them OFF the street. Name me one modern day stock car driver who got his big break in street racing....
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Originally Posted by RollTide
No the school weren't. But Skip Barber start racing in the 50's while he was in college....with the SCCA. He won a few national champs and then went on to dominate in formula cars. He retired and opened the school...
Carrol Smith is another perfect example. He carved his way into racing through the European Circuit in the early 60's with his own money and then became the Ford lead Engineer with Shelby when they spanked Ferrari 4 times at the 24 Hours Le Mans series with the GT40.
You use "they" very blandly and throw it around like it encompasses racers of all types. It doesn't. In fact, early stock car racing was a frighteningly loose body of insane people who needed a legit circuit to get them OFF the street. Name me one modern day stock car driver who got his big break in street racing....
Carrol Smith is another perfect example. He carved his way into racing through the European Circuit in the early 60's with his own money and then became the Ford lead Engineer with Shelby when they spanked Ferrari 4 times at the 24 Hours Le Mans series with the GT40.
You use "they" very blandly and throw it around like it encompasses racers of all types. It doesn't. In fact, early stock car racing was a frighteningly loose body of insane people who needed a legit circuit to get them OFF the street. Name me one modern day stock car driver who got his big break in street racing....
You named 2 guys out of how many professional motorsport drivers? The next progression is the transition from the streets to the tracks/racing schools. However, that does not change the fact that you "at one point in time" street raced. Stock car racing is only one aspect of professional motorsports. You have drifting, Time Attack, drag racing, motorcycle drag racing...and the list continues. I not once said EVERY Pro driver started on the street (giving our vast resources these day and age, along with technology, you fortunately don't have to start off on the streets). But this was not available decades ago. Nascar is an old ___ motorsport. There were no racing schools during it's rise, there were no drag strips during the rise of Drag racing, so where do you think these people started?
This is going to go back and forth, so I'm just going to let it be after this post. I'm making my transitions into sanctioned events anyway. But that does not change the fact of my 40-100 some odd documented street races though.
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No, you said "85-90%" of Pro Drivers started in street racing... you may as well have said EVERY.
I named two extremely famous and prominent racers of that era (the era of 'No Racing School').
I think that during the rise of Drag Racing, Drag Racing wasn't a Professional Sport. Nascar has only earned it's place as a respected racing body in the last 25 years, before that it was snubbed by virtually all other racers. So yes, I can see how the earliest stock car drivers were off the street, but I also wouldn't call them professional by any stretch.
I find it interesting that the only thing you've come back with is to say "THEY DID RACE ON THE STREET". That was merely a tiny bit of my OP and not even close to the main point.
Good to hear you're getting off the street. Sorry to hear you ever started.
I named two extremely famous and prominent racers of that era (the era of 'No Racing School').
I think that during the rise of Drag Racing, Drag Racing wasn't a Professional Sport. Nascar has only earned it's place as a respected racing body in the last 25 years, before that it was snubbed by virtually all other racers. So yes, I can see how the earliest stock car drivers were off the street, but I also wouldn't call them professional by any stretch.
I find it interesting that the only thing you've come back with is to say "THEY DID RACE ON THE STREET". That was merely a tiny bit of my OP and not even close to the main point.
Good to hear you're getting off the street. Sorry to hear you ever started.
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Originally Posted by RollTide
No, you said "85-90%" of Pro Drivers started in street racing... you may as well have said EVERY.
I named two extremely famous and prominent racers of that era (the era of 'No Racing School').
I named two extremely famous and prominent racers of that era (the era of 'No Racing School').
That percentage is lower only recently, but I would say it was pretty dang accurate from when professional motorsports started in the US. Drag Racing wasn't a professional sport....BUT it is now and has been for decades. That's my whole point. It evolved from the streets. Like many drivers did, do, and still do till this day.
And lol..at
So yes, I can see how the earliest stock car drivers were off the street, but I also wouldn't call them professional by any stretch.
I think that during the rise of Drag Racing, Drag Racing wasn't a Professional Sport. Nascar has only earned it's place as a respected racing body in the last 25 years, before that it was snubbed by virtually all other racers.
I find it interesting that the only thing you've come back with is to say "THEY DID RACE ON THE STREET".
Good to hear you're getting off the street. Sorry to hear you ever started.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
The next progression is the transition from the streets to the tracks/racing schools.
Stock car racing is only one aspect of professional motorsports. You have drifting, Time Attack, drag racing, motorcycle drag racing...and the list continues.
Drifting is NOT racing. Sorry. No way around it. Sorry, judges don't pick the winners of most F1 races (only occurs when someone cheats and gets caught).
Time attach is NOT professional.
Drag Racing encompasses motorcycle drag racing. Like saying, there's road racing, motorcycle road racing, legends road racing, nascar road racing.
But this was not available decades ago.
But that does not change the fact of my 40-100 some odd documented street races though.
Congrats... you had 40 street races which will never amount to anything... ever. No trophies, no additional log in the ol' race book, nothing. No one will ever write an article about your lame 40 street races. No publisher will pay for your autobiography about your feeble attempts at pretending to be a racer during your 40 street races. youtube may net you 40 hits off of your 40 videos... one hit for the one time you watched the boring video of your life as a street racer.Welcome to insignificance.
and you fail for ever linking modern street racing to professional motorsports.
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It evolved from the streets. Like many drivers did, do, and still do till this day.
They have been racing before your mom even thought of having you...lol.
You whiffed the entire point. You said: Professional race drivers evolve from the street. You're wrong.
You then said: old professional race drivers evolve from the street. You're still wrong.
Umm...I'm pretty sure that was my point from the beginning. I don't need to come back any say anything different that what I have already been saying.
If the ever so often ricer rolls up next to me and starts to rev, I'm not saying I'm not going to let him know what I got...
Thank you CRX for having a foundation of sense.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
The next progression is the transition from the streets to the tracks/racing schools.
Stock car racing is only one aspect of professional motorsports. You have drifting, Time Attack, drag racing, motorcycle drag racing...and the list continues.
Great comeback. No explanation given...sweet.
Drifting is NOT racing. Sorry. No way around it. Sorry, judges don't pick the winners of most F1 races (only occurs when someone cheats and gets caught).
Time attach is NOT professional.
Time attach is NOT professional.
Drag Racing encompasses motorcycle drag racing. Like saying, there's road racing, motorcycle road racing, legends road racing, nascar road racing.
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But this was not available decades ago.
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But that does not change the fact of my 40-100 some odd documented street races though.
Congrats... you had 40 street races which will never amount to anything... ever. No trophies, no additional log in the ol' race book, nothing. No one will ever write an article about your lame 40 street races. No publisher will pay for your autobiography about your feeble attempts at pretending to be a racer during your 40 street races. youtube may net you 40 hits off of your 40 videos... one hit for the one time you watched the boring video of your life as a street racer.Welcome to insignificance.
and you fail for ever linking modern street racing to professional motorsports.
Some of the dumbest comments I have ever heard. It was used as an example, not bragging rights...Good god, some of you take stuff so far out of context it's not even funny.
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Originally Posted by RollTide
It evolved from the streets. Like many drivers did, do, and still do till this day.
Originally Posted by RollTide
Even if drag racing for instance started on the streets, it got off the street because people knew it was STUPID to race on the street. Thus it was only at this point that it became legitimate. Modern day race drivers don't 'evolve' from street racing any more than swimmers evolve from taking a bath.
(giving our vast resources these day and age, along with technology, you fortunately don't have to start off on the streets)
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They have been racing before your mom even thought of having you...lol.
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You whiffed the entire point. You said: Professional race drivers evolve from the street. You're wrong.
Here let me make it simple for you....BEFORE there were racing schools, BEFORE there were racing venues, BEFORE there were sanctioning racing bodies.....THEY DID EVERYTHING ON THE STREET. There, clear enough for you. And don't come back and repeat the same thing "They don't have to race on the street today". YES I KNOW THAT. Neither do I. I was simply stating that if I go into racing in a Sanctioning Motorsport, it does not change the fact that I use to street race. Therefore I would be one of the walking proof of the example I'm giving.
You then said: old professional race drivers evolve from the street. You're still wrong.
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Umm...I'm pretty sure that was my point from the beginning. I don't need to come back any say anything different that what I have already been saying.
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If the ever so often ricer rolls up next to me and starts to rev, I'm not saying I'm not going to let him know what I got...
Thank you CRX for having a foundation of sense.
Why is it that no one can ever have a debate without stooping down to the level of insulting someone else. Did I insult you....No. I appreciate the same level of maturity I'm showing you. Is it that you feel threaten when someone else has a difference of opinion than yours and won't conform to what you think, so you inturn decide to become hostile.
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Wikipedia IS YOUR FRIEND.......
This has been my POINT for the freakin BEGINNING!
Street racing is reported to have originated prior to the 1930s due to alcohol prohibition in some parts of the United States. At the time smugglers of unrefined and illegal alcohol would try to find ways to make more power and achieve better handling from their engine and suspension. Aside from being the basis of stock car racing, this became common after the war, and as a result, it is credited as being the origin of drag racing as well
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street racing is more for rice get better and go to MT runs it wont matter how fast you on the gas paddle it all in the guts that you have how fat you can take the corner until than it called rice racing
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History
The winningest Professional Drag Racer in AMA Prostar Drag Racing history and a national champion eight-times over, Rickey Gadson has taken the sport of motorcycle drag racing to new heights. Gadson found his love for motorcycles at nine years old when his dad put him on his first Kawasaki street bike and by age 13 he was racing on the drag strip.
Gadson became the sport’s first full-time factory-sponsored rider in 1998 when he signed with the Kawasaki. Since then, this world-renowned champion has seized numerous race wins, competing in classes from 600 SuperSport to Pro Superbike to Streetbike Shootout. Just as impressive, Gadson holds two 1/8 mile national records in Streetbike Shootout: 5.146 ET and 152.31 mph. He was also the first African-American to compete on South African soil.
Gadson’s love for drag racing extends well beyond the track. The champ made his movie debut in 2003 as a stuntman for the hit film “Biker Boyz” and also provided on-set consultation for scenes in the movie. This year, Gadson will re-open the Rickey Gadson Motorcycle Drag Racing School where he teaches enthusiast of all levels to become better riders. Gadson also owns and operates Rickey Gadson Motorcycle Zone, a retail motorcycle store located in Magnolia, N.J.
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2006 - Won the Super Street class at the season’s opener of the AMA ProStar Drag Racing Series at Valdosta, Ga., marking it the first win for the new Ninja ZX™-14 debut performance.
2005 - Won championship number 8 by dominating the hotly contested 1000SuperSport class winning 5 out of 8 races on the tour. - Rickey was called to appear on the Discovery Channel's " American Choppers" as the requested rider for the new NAPA dragbike built by Orange County Choppers
2004 - Finished out the year # 2 with two wins in the Streetbike Shootout class.
2003 - Streetbike Shootout National Champion Rickey finished the season with 6 wins out of 8 races. - Gadson was proclaimed the winningest professional drag racer in AMA Prostar history when he finished off the season with an unprecedented 11 straight wins over 2 seasons.
2002 - Gadson captured four race wins over the season to finish runner-up in the Streetbike Shootout. - Called to Hollywood to start filming the movie "Biker Boyz"
2001 - Gadson wrapped up the season finishing third in the Streetbike Shootout class. This was the first Kawasaki Shootout bike to run a 7-second ET. He also finished second in the Pro Superbike competition and rode the first 750 Superbike to a 7-second ET.
2000 - Gadson captured four wins in Pro Superbike to finish second overall. He also had three wins in the 600cc SuperSport class.
1999 - Gadson finished the season with the #3 national ranking in the 600cc SuperSport competition.
1998 - Gadson became the sports first full-time factory sponsored drag racer.
Guess what Ricky Gadson USE to do before he was factory sponsored by Kawasaki? What he USE to do before his long list of accomplishments? What he USE to do before creating his Motorcycle Racing School? What he HAD to stop doing because Kawasaki wouldn't sign him unless he promised not to? You only get one guess.
On that note, I'm done with this.Peace.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Wow, you use ONE guy. I reckon everyone in pro autosports is a Tony Stewart right?
If i named every pro-racer who started racing as a child, this thread would be 1000 pages long. But since your scope of knowledge and understanding in this field is no further than a guy with no arm's reach...
Kimi Raikkonen, karting until age 19.
Michael Schumacher (aka, the best driver ever), karting until age 18.
Sarah Fisher, karting until age 15.
Danica Patrick, karting until age 16.
Ayrton Senna, karting until age 22 (considered one of the best)
Jenson Button, karting until age 17.
shall i go on? or you gonna say "you only named 10 people!! waaahhhh"
At what point did anyone say Drifting was "racing".
We're talking about racing, motorsports, and professional racers... then you brought up drifting.
Time attack IS put on by Pro's, and driven by Professional drivers to set world records. I'm talking about Time Attacks like the Tsukuba Super Lap battle, Not your parking lot cone racing event.
time attacks aren't professional races. they are exhibition events driven by professionals and amateurs.
On that note, I'm done with this.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Wow, you use ONE guy. I reckon everyone in pro autosports is a Tony Stewart right?
If i named every pro-racer who started racing as a child, this thread would be 1000 pages long. But since your scope of knowledge and understanding in this field is no further than a guy with no arm's reach...
Kimi Raikkonen, karting until age 19.
Michael Schumacher (aka, the best driver ever), karting until age 18.
Sarah Fisher, karting until age 15.
Danica Patrick, karting until age 16.
Ayrton Senna, karting until age 22 (considered one of the best)
Jenson Button, karting until age 17.
shall i go on? or you gonna say "you only named 10 people!! waaahhhh"
At what point did anyone say Drifting was "racing".
We're talking about racing, motorsports, and professional racers... then you brought up drifting.
Time attack IS put on by Pro's, and driven by Professional drivers to set world records. I'm talking about Time Attacks like the Tsukuba Super Lap battle, Not your parking lot cone racing event.
time attacks aren't professional races. they are exhibition events driven by professionals and amateurs.
On that note, I'm done with this.
Don't make me laugh any more man, I can't keep up with Your UBER knowledge. HondaCRX is greater than Rhythmnsmoke... 
Thanks man. Now I know Drifting, Time Attack, and the likes are Not Motorsports, and Anyone can participate in the Tsukuba Super Lap battle. I think I'm going to go put in my application right now for the 2008 event. Guess I might as well sign up for D1 and Formula D while I'm at it....
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Who ever said Street racing was a sport?
Street racing is not an autosport. However, it is stupid and immature.
You wanna race? Take it to the track.
Or a new mustang GT? Maybe a Z? IDK if those count?
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SH(a)D(o)WtC, beat them on the track.
As far as the whole Rythm vs. the world arguement: Gadson started on the street, and had to give it up to get sponsored. NASCAR FOR SURE started on the street, not only that, the OG racers were running from the cops (on the street) before the NASCAR started. Look up Bootlegging, esp the southern and Apalatian (sp!, the mountain range in the eastern US, Virginia) Now go back and look for all the times I've stuck up for Rythm. I'll give you a hint, when you find the other one, you've seen all of them. I don't like the guy, but he's right. in America, pro racing originated on the streets...but back then it was mostly dirt roads.
Oh, BTW Drifting and Time Attacks are MOTORSPORTS. Drifting is not a race, it just started in them....on the streets.
As far as the whole Rythm vs. the world arguement: Gadson started on the street, and had to give it up to get sponsored. NASCAR FOR SURE started on the street, not only that, the OG racers were running from the cops (on the street) before the NASCAR started. Look up Bootlegging, esp the southern and Apalatian (sp!, the mountain range in the eastern US, Virginia) Now go back and look for all the times I've stuck up for Rythm. I'll give you a hint, when you find the other one, you've seen all of them. I don't like the guy, but he's right. in America, pro racing originated on the streets...but back then it was mostly dirt roads.
Oh, BTW Drifting and Time Attacks are MOTORSPORTS. Drifting is not a race, it just started in them....on the streets.
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SH(a)D(o)WtC, beat them on the track.
As far as the whole Rythm vs. the world arguement: Gadson started on the street, and had to give it up to get sponsored. NASCAR FOR SURE started on the street, not only that, the OG racers were running from the cops (on the street) before the NASCAR started. Look up Bootlegging, esp the southern and Apalatian (sp!, the mountain range in the eastern US, Virginia) Now go back and look for all the times I've stuck up for Rythm. I'll give you a hint, when you find the other one, you've seen all of them. I don't like the guy, but he's right. in America, pro racing originated on the streets...but back then it was mostly dirt roads.
Oh, BTW Drifting and Time Attacks are MOTORSPORTS. Drifting is not a race, it just started in them....on the streets.
As far as the whole Rythm vs. the world arguement: Gadson started on the street, and had to give it up to get sponsored. NASCAR FOR SURE started on the street, not only that, the OG racers were running from the cops (on the street) before the NASCAR started. Look up Bootlegging, esp the southern and Apalatian (sp!, the mountain range in the eastern US, Virginia) Now go back and look for all the times I've stuck up for Rythm. I'll give you a hint, when you find the other one, you've seen all of them. I don't like the guy, but he's right. in America, pro racing originated on the streets...but back then it was mostly dirt roads.
Oh, BTW Drifting and Time Attacks are MOTORSPORTS. Drifting is not a race, it just started in them....on the streets.
X....This is the only thing I've been saying the whole time. But, apparently there are more people more knowledgeable on the subject, and I'm wrong. So, X I guess that means you are wrong too. Even though, historical facts document it all....
So how does the list go again...
Street born Motorsports
-Drifting
-Nascar
-Drag Racing
(Basically the most popular Motorsports in the world).
I think though, some got it twisted, and think I'm sticking up for Street racing. They should search back through the comments, where everyone (including me), have said..
1) It's not a sport
2) It's dangerous
3) It's stupid
My only other comment was that this thread was stupid because street racing isn't going to die. So, this is a waste of bandwidth. If so, not anytime soon. But what do I know right....I'm a moron, and don't know what I'm talking about.
