I was wondering which car would win?

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tC is teh win.

 

Si, end of forum. tC vs threads are becoming ridiculous there needs to be one forum that holds all tC vs __ crap.

By the way, why would the Si win? More aggressive gearing, lighter, more whp, so on.

Cya

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actually if both cars are stock, and as long as it's not the 2006 ones, there have been many races between the two and tCs have always managed to win.

 

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I've seen first hand a Civic Si with coilovers, I/H/E vs a tC with coilovers, I/H/E and short shifter. Three races, and the tC lost all three. Both were good drivers, the tC can take the Si off the line for the fact all Honda motors are geared towards high rev so they are tq and hpless until higher rpm.

So I disbelieve stock vs stock the tC can win when I've seen three races of similar mods, similar drivers. If it is true, than that's good for the tC. However, the 06' Si vs. thread needs to be locked if it hasn't already.

Aside from all of this, Autocross is where its at. Si would definitely take a tC there. The weight of the tC, and how its geared, and how the stock suspension is set up its not a good autocrosser. Even modified, I haven't seen a good run for a tC yet. I was disappointed.

Cya

 

Sorry, I have a 5-SP with just no muffler and I have beaten Si's with Intake, Header and Exhaust.

How u figure the EP has more HP? Did u look at it's weight?

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I'd also have to go tC (and not due to owner-bias, either). Sure the Si has 160hp, but it also is only producing about 6 lb-ft of torque (ok, so it's actually 111 lb-ft, but you get my point).

 

First, why aren't you running a muffler? "The top end" gains? Second, what year Si? That makes a huge difference. Those races of the Si and tC the Si was a 2003. The tC is freaking heavy for its class and for what it is. That year Si is also heavy for its class but not as heavy tC
Si for a 2000 like this thread is asking I believe was rated at what, 185? 180? Just say 180. You are rated at 160. Most stock tCs dyno in around 139-142 for the manual. The Si stock for the 2000 generally run in the 150 range. I don't know exact numbers for the 2000 off the top of my head,
but 150whp sounds about right. Just say 150. That's a few extra whp right there. The 2000 wasn't ultra light weight, but definitely not 2,900 pounds. I think it was around 2,750 something like that. That plus the gearing makes a big difference.

Cya

 

I was really surprised to read this month's Car and Driver to find that the '06 Si was putting down numbers relatively close to the tC.... 0-60 in 7.3 seconds, compared to 7.4 seconds achieved in the tC by the same mag. This might be due to the fact that even with the increased horsepower, the Si is STILL only putting down 139 lb-ft of torque and is within a couple hundred pounds of the tC's weight.

Don't get me wrong... I am intrigued as hell by the new Si, especially the helical LSD which will reduce wheelspin in cornering (should make auto-x interesting), but it's no automatic tC killer. Let's see some mods and some good drivers. Should be fun...

 

2000 Civic Si:
2,612lbs
160hp
1/4 stock 15.1
2005 Scion Tc
2,905
160hp
1/4 stock 15.8

Do i need to say more?

Cya

 

Source?

 

actually when street fire comes back up ill post of a vid of a tC beating a 04 si but there servers are down right now so cant help the argument but the tC does win 3x

 

Look it up on yahoo or google. As for the weight, old honda pages for the 2000 Si.

 

I'd like to see that. What were the mods for both cars? because i listed the mods of that tc si race and the si took it all three times, with exact same mods and the tc had a short shifter, makes a slight difference the si did not. not to mention it was a 03'...and the 03'-04' is exact same car... interesting.

 

i dunno what the mods were.....but as soon as the server is back up ill post it i didnt believe it either that a tC could take out the SI, but once i looked at it stock number wise a MT could do but it would be close, but as soon as the server is back up ill post.

 

"Driver skill" is going to play a big part in this race, too. Bear in mind that something like 85% of American drivers rate their own skill as "above average" or "excellent."

 

Moved to Autosports...

BTW... a friend of mine has an 01 or so Si and I usually beat him at AutoX with my tC.

 

i've beaten a tc, civic lx, civic hatch with B16 swap, and a mazda3 in autocross. TC guy couldn't keep it in the corners, i suppose because of the weight dist. Others i beat by 2-8 seconds. Mazda3 (wagon) was a friend of mine and its stock except tint. It was a fun day though.

Back to original content: I stated the facts that the 2000 Si Ran 15.1 1/4 and the TC runs 15.8 1/4. Stock for stock, the TC cannot beat the Si with equal strength drivers. With equal mods, such as i/h/e...as long as both cars had the same mods i don't see how it would make any difference. The SI should still win so long as both have the same bolt ons, or whatever. Now if the tc had i/h/e and the Si just had say exhaust, then i could see the Tc winning but it would be probably close. I know the TC can take it off the line, but not in the end.

Cya

 

Huh 2000 si is no way in hell 180 or 185... its a b16 its 160 sorry!!!!!!!!!! And I was talking ep thats the 2003. But I have raced a 2000 stock to stock to see what happen yea he wins he weights less, and yea better gearing. But hes got less tork and 4th gear I did gain back some. Its still a close ___ race.

As for the muffler I saw the thread with 5whp gain and 5 tq with no muffler so I just did it to see if it was true... I get my zpi exhaust today! Ill have it on for Elk Grove it looks like!

 

As for autox alls I got to say is I autox.... I beat sti's funnest thing in the world! But I mean once they learn to drive the autox they will rape u!