was gonna get a tc myself..but changed my mind-.- it is a nice car..but after all the stuff i heard..i came to a conclusion that it was cheaply made.. hm...back to the issue..about the si vs tc....hm...thier about even..if anything...si would win by a little. i hate the fact that alot of tc driver think they are hot ____...plz do not rev at me when u see me on the high way hah...-.- that is about all i have to say..if there is any stock tc that wants to go at it with my 01 honda prelude...let me kno

 

i usually go to

www.ModernRacer.com

they run their own tests and reviews... gotta love the truth

 

I'm going to agree with blazin... EM1s and EP3's are actually about equal in terms of performance... both being high 15's cars right from the factory.

While the EM1 is lighter, the EP3 makes more torque. I would also like to point out that the k20a3 responds better to mods, with full-bolton/hondata guys running as low as 14.3's in the 1/4. Hang out with the ephatch.com guys, they'll happily point that out.

If you heartedly believe that a stock EM1 can put down a 15.1 / 15.2, then we'll have to just agree to disagree. The b16 isn't that great of a motor, if you ask me. I'd much rather work with a b18c or H series.

 

i would agree with the b16 not being to great the b18 is good but im more of a d guy lol cheap to work with light as hell and you can make good hp out of them and if it breaks buy another one for $200 lol


now as far as the tc and the si thread i know si's dont run what i ran with the same type of mods not saying i dont like them just ppl try and down play the tc sure its not a n/a monster (atleast not yet high compretion pistons just came out though) but its the same thing as a k20 running the boost ppl run on the tc they wont touch a tc in the 1/4 mile or im not even sure if they will last iwth that mutch boost


almost like comparing apples and oranges with pure bolt ons leaving the blocks stock the tc is better f/i and the civic is better n/a one day the tc will be able to compete n/a but for now we are limited by our damn "smart" ecu that corrects the camcon after a while and the fact that the aftermarket seems to focus on bling and f/i (but its changing)

 

just noticed this is about the 2000 si ewwww b16 lol the couple of ppl i know with these cars did a b18 swap almost as soon as they got the car the car

not like its a crappy car but i meen its got no tourqe

 

yeah my friend, J D M, is on that site also... i 've also drove my other friend's turboed (also in ephatch, name is chris) ep yesterday ... and all i gotta say is, dammmn that thing fast.

 

K or H series IMO are the best build ups. B18 is alright, theres a lot of aftermarket for sure. But, meh.

I have seen, with my own two eyes, a civic si run low 15's with just a short shifter. I'm sure with an average driver, it would run mid-to high 15s if not low 16s with a horrible start. The 00' Si with driver im est. to be 1900lbs even. Based on powertrain loss, est. whp would be 140. Just give those two in the example. Power to weight is only 13.5. Of course, lighter driver or a few things removed changes that drastically. But, lets just keep at that.

Power to weight si = 13.5 (realistic est.)
Power to weight tc = 22.1 (realistic est.) -based on a 140whp and 3100lbs including driver.

Theres a huge difference with numbers there. A really good driver in a tC can pull 15.7 1/4. Yes, the 2az has more tq. However, the 00' si is much lighter, better power to weight, geared slightly more aggressive, and is pretty quick once it gets into vtec and stays within max power band.

Point is, it isn't impossible for the Si to run lower 15's with a good driver. I know, i've seen it happen. A decent driver should pull mid 15s maybe towards the high like 15.7. A okay driver will be a little higher than that so on, so forth. Without a good driver, any number is possible. A bad driver in a enzo could pull 15sec 1/4.

But if no one understands my point, or agrees with what im saying. Good for you. Its pointless to argue when i've seen it done so i know what im talking about.

Cya

 

hahaha you curb weight for the 00 si is off by a little that might be the weight after stripping the ____ out of it but Curb Weight : 2606 lbs is what is listed one every website i found and with my budy carlos in his and a sub it cam out to over 2800 lbs so yeah not a light as you thought

 

Yeah dude... the only honda (other than a bike) that's close to 1900 lbs would be a gutted 1990 CRX.

EM1's are certainly 2600 lbs at a minimum.


However, I did find something with your proposed "13.6 wt/hp " ratio.

2004 350Z
wt: 3464
avg. est. whp : 253
power:weight --- 13.6

1/4 mile - 13.8-14.2, depending on driver. I've got a friend that was pulling 14.0x here in south louisiana... at 95% humidity and 85+ degrees.


Obviously, a long way off from your 2000 civic si.

 

I cant believe i posted 1900. I was tired, and a little drunk. Sorry. Just to save myself, i did post early in this thread that the weight was 2606 or 2626..Forgot which one i said. *smacks myself*

The power to weight on the Si is roughly 19.6, in that area. Its still better than the tC, and i still know it can be done low 15's quarter.

Also, the CRX if im not mistaken is right under 2klbs. Its definitely one of if not the lightest honda has put out. I'm willing to say the lightest.

Wow, i still can't believe i said 1900 and didn't catch that..I will make that the last time i get drunk and post on scionlife.

Cya

 

crx si's weighed in at 2100lbs and they are my dream car with a turbo b18c5 making about 275hp man that would be so sweet and scary to drive at the same time lol

 

I know of a guy who has a crx in georgia with a spoon kit. Its pretty sick, fast. Close ratio five speed is pretty fun as well. I dont know the numbers hes pulling but i think its in the range of 205-210whp @ 8,300rpm (raised redline to 9,200rpm)

Cya

 

hahah its nice to see that this thread is no longer a battle and fighting frenzie between the SI and TC

haha good times

 

man that must be a fun toy its like a crotch rocket (well not as fast lol) just whipit all over the road and through turns with that kind of power it has to be high 13's correct??

 

His best time was in the low 13s, 13.3 i believe. But his common number is 13.7 and his autocross times are incredible. Average time in his class was 98secs and his average is 93secs. It feels like a crotch rocket, although its not THAT fast. The car is set up for autocross, but he does take it to the 1/4 probably once every two months. His daily driver is a 03' civic si with a 9psi turbo. Its pretty fast as well, but after riding in the crx the si doesn't compare at all. His wife owns a 95 del sol Si that he is trying to get her to agree letting him play with it.. Maybe one day.

Cya

 

hahaha good luck with your wifes del sol try and shove a h22 in there and post up pics when its done

 

Its not my wife its his. I just own the Xb right now. If im not mistaken he wants to put a K20, keep it N/a'd and do some basic things. Nothing too drastic in the way of f/i or anything. But give it more go so she can go to shows with him in both cars. I'll keep everyone posted with it if everyone is that interested in his projects. I'll see if i cant get in touch with him and get some pictures from him.

Cya

 

ahhh a k20 swap what a pain in the ___ lol but im sure its worth it and as far as a turbo best to stay awy since the only place to mount it is under the car witch isnt bad excpet you get road salt all over it and the intake can suck up water see http://www.ststurbo.com for more info on that style of turbo


but either way the rear mount is what were doing on my buddys grand prix gtp were dumping the pos stock super charger just need a couple more things including new wire for our welder lol and then we start this masive project

 

i've taken a stock 2002 rsx type-s 3 out of 4 times in my stock tc

launched at 3k rpm, got a good launch. lead 1st, 2nd and on through the middle of 3rd gear... not sure if thats 1/4 mile

 

Sure you did. Either he/she was a bad driver or you lost 3-4 or 4-4 times.