You said it yourself. Its a modified 2az, therefore its not stock. Thank you my god you finally realized it! WOW.

EDIT: You can also purchase TRD springs from the "build a scion" thing, however ALL parts ordered from "build a scion" are put on at the dealership. Not before hand.

RE-EDIT: TRD S/C claims 7psi according to TRDsparks, and delivers up to 25% increase in power which puts it right at 200whp.

 

So wrong. Well here is a link that disproves your mis informed person about the TRD Supercharger #s
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...arger&start=75

And From what I have been told they are assembled at port and then transfered to the dealer.

 

Thats helps your cause none.

lol..
$3,200 for 200hp? thats only roughly 175-180whp.. And what do you know, 7psi. Wow, you didn't prove me wrong at all except making a fool out of yourself.. Well that, and proving its even lower output hp than what i was thinking.

Also, i highly doubt they are assembled at the port. Scion never assembles any "accessories" at the port, and TRD is toyota, not just the tC so its not logical.

Even if they were, it doesn't prove your point that it was "stock". You slipped and you said "modified 2az". A modified motor is not stock. A five year old can understand that one.

So, your point was??

EDIT: The sticker also states about warranty information. It says, "installed by dealership", and installed "by anyone other than dealership".

It is not installed at the port, . Yeah, you completely proved me wrong.

 

Moron really. Now you are tyring to say you didn't say the TRD supercharged tC was rated at 200 whp and you are now trying to cover that up by laughing at the high price for the charger. Wich everyone knows and the horse has been beaten post mortim. Dealerships don't assemble vehicles. Sorry but you are way off on that one. First of all its not cost effective especially with the SCION marketing wich you have NO idea about. Pure pricing = no dealer markup. So dealerships pay an average of $75 dollars an hour in labor for thier mechanics so they can install options they are not allowed to mark up..... Dealers get COMPLETE cars either via Customer ordering, or Dealership ordering.

As for the dealership installation, or a 3rd party installation. What part of YOU CAN ORDER THIS PART SEPERATLY don't you understand? 2004 and 2005 tCs did not have the option of the TRD Supercharger. does this mean they can not purchase one? NO Does this mean they don't qualify for a toyota licensed and installed component? NO. Geez man do some homework. maybe some of your honda buddies can help yah.

 

1. I quote, "Well that, and proving its even lower output hp than what i was thinking.
" Therefore, i was not covering it up. I admited i was wrong about the hp gains.
2. I never said once dealerships assemble vehicles. However, they do install and will be installing the TRD s/c on the 2az. Theres a huge difference.
3. Everything you said just now, theres barely any truth to it aside from something you could pick up on a scion catalog. So i'm totally a moron.

 

So Dealerships dont average 75 bucks an hour on labor.. So its not costeffective to pay that wage on items they can not mark up. Yes dealerships will be installing the Supercharger on the vehicles of the owners who did not have this option available to them.

Modified 2az. Yes i did say modified, but its not aftermarket modified. OEM parts = stock.

 

1. You know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about.
2. They will be installing ALL s/cers from past and future buyers.
3. This debate is pointless. Its like debating with a newborn. It's not even debating, your post contradict with each other, your "facts" aren't facts at all and when i prove you wrong you find something else to go around.

This thread should be locked, its pointless. Si vs. Tc stock, most seem to agree Si takes it. Until someone actually runs stock for stock no one will know the truth.

Cya

 

None of my post contradict themselves and I challenge you to find one that does. And its evident from your previous posts and information that anything from you is un-reliable. Where in these posts did i give out poor information or anything that did anything but contradict your opinon. And I also challenge you to find any one of your post that proved me wrong with any facts other than your opinion. I have proven you wrong with Definitions from other sources and pictures. And I totally agree. Performance the SI wins over the NA tC. but in value the NA tC still takes the SI and the Supercharged tC takes the SI in performance and value. Then You go off on a tangent and go on this stock or not babble. Wich you haven't done anything to prove other than your opinion.

 

si tC

 

tc si

 

tC by a long shot. anyone care to debate?

 

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I have a cold air and the TRD exhaust.
My friend had a stock si with goodyear eagle f1's.

He launched better than me obviously, only ahead by about 4-5 feet. as soon as I got traction Si = pwned.

The guy he was with actually asked if he was flooring it......he was

 

i heard that they dyno around 100 lbs of torque at the wheels. does ny one know if this is for sure true?

 

www.ephatch.com

 

Stock and stock:
2000 Si vs Tc = Si
2001-2005 Si vs. Tc = Drivers race, Si slight advantage
2006 Si vs tC = Don't even try.

Cya

 

00 si would not kill a tc. r u kidding me?? my friends stock ep raced and 00 si and that was pretty much a drivers race. and this was ona role... ep would of had advantage from dig cuase it has a lot more torque
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/21-417%202000%20Si%20CAS.pdf#search='2000%20civic%20si%20dyno'
check that out it shows that the basline dyno of 00 si is 98 lb feet of torques.. sure it might slightly edge againts on highway cuase its lighter and it has good top end but in a real race from a dig... tc should beat it in a quarter mile

 

00 Si would not kill a tc, but it would win. Si does 1/4 in 15.2, Tc does 1/4 in 15.7 +. Si has has more top end, after 1st gear it stays within the powerband. So i would say, driver for driver, Si would win. The facts have been posted on this thread numerous times by myself and a few others. Most agree that the Tc will lose to a 2000 and a 2006 (obviously) Si. The 2001-2005 is questionable. Driver for Driver that Si would win by slightly, Tc could win by slightly.

Cya

 

there have been posts where people said they've beaten si's too.... and u can't just give a distinct time for each one.... many people have taken the tc's to the track and ran quartermile times from 15.2-15.9... same w/ all the car magazines that road tested the tc....i'm 100 percent sure not all 00 honda civic si's ran 15.2, they all probably around the same range as a tc, and maybe even worse... so you should stop not picking on certain numbers for each car.... well i guess the only way to prove this is somone showin a video of both cars racing from a dig till like 80 or 100.... if someone can post up a video.. (i will if i can find an 00 si to race).. then this thread will end all discussions about the two.

 

lets end dis-.- any stock tc...vs my stock 01 honda prelude..-.-

 

Show me a stock tC that runs 15.2 1/4. I've seen a really good driver, with a tC dropped, short shifter and SRI run 15.5. The best review i have seen for the tC stock, was 15.6 1/4. Also, no, not all si's run 15.2, it depends on the driver. if they are horrible, the 00 si will run 17's. However, average i've seen posted (i've seen tons, not just one or two) was between 15.2-15.6 1/4 stock. For the tC 15.6-16.2 average. Going by average since most people fall in these times.

Cya