We do not employ tctunerz or any of its representatives and our two businesses are totally unrelated...

 

Racing Solutions is a reputable operation unlike tCtunerz. I'm just wondering what, if any, relation there is between Quick and ScionSpeed.

 

If there is a relation between quick and ScionSpeed, I'll know 100% which turbo kit I will buy. Right now I'm leaning about 85% towards ZPI, but with Quick in the picture it will immediatly boost up to 100%. I believe that ZPI cares more about performance and reliability than show, which is all I care about. I think the one question that needs to be cleared up immediatly is how Quick is related to ScionSpeed.

 

/Mah baaaad.

 

this is ridicilous - you should never buy an kit which does not tell you what the heck are you buying.

Saying that you dont want others to know what you put into your kit is - ridicilous. I dont know if I want to laugh or cry for poor people even thinking of buying product like that.

It is as if Scion would not release equipment specs for tC, so others cant copy it... freakin ridicilous.

Your company has introduced several firsts to me - it was first time I saw % gains for an turbo kit and no whp numbers (original offer) and now it is the first time I see someone selling "killer" kit which nobody is supposed to know what it consists of.

What turbo, what fuel managment, what does "beefing up" internals means?

Folks, never buy an kit that does not tell you EVERYTHING about it, including every piece it comes in it (it will be shown once first customer gets in, and it is in now way national secret), dyno sheets of that EXACT kit, etc... Otherwise, you are guaranteed to be facing loooong wait for your kit.

 

We did not insinuate anything. Another Scionlife member indicated that you were the source of a false rumor. We merely observed this statement which was already publicized. Let us make this VERY clear to everyone... Jamasco Race Engineering/ScionSpeed has never contacted ZPI in any way shape or fashion. Whatever conversations tCtunerz and ZPI had about our kits was between those two companies. In fact it was ZPI who contacted Scionspeed to ask for assistance on how to wire the E-manage. Additionally, we are not affiliated with tCtunerz in any other capacity then they are one of the many websites who choose to sell our kits.

Please do not suggest that your kits are of higher quality than ours. That is another myth perpetuated by ZPI. Our quality is the selling point of our kit. When people see the level of quality we have been able to achieve for the price we are selling, they will be blown away. These are comparable to ultra high-end kits which cost double the price.

How do you know what machinery we have. We produced all our original kits in-house and we have a CNC machine with a dedicated machinist. That is a flat-out lie. We never had Quick/tCtunerz or anyone negotiate anything for us. Basically, we do not and never needed anything from ZPI.

You are planting false perceptions and hoping that they take off and become accepted fact. Sending people to post on our threads does not constitute what the scionlife community is thinking. We are out and about in the Scion community. We know our community. Unfortunately, we have to waste time repairing the damage ZPI has attempted to do to our reputation by the spreading of ridiculous rumors.

Where are the kits ZPI? As far as we know, you are selling "thin air" as one member so eloquently stated. And if you are worried about the quality of our kits now, well you should be even more worried about how our production kits look. Our production kits FAR EXCEED the quality that you have seen in the prototype picures! You have only seen our prototypes! You don't want us to post production pictures, Trust me. Be careful of what you ask for because you just may get it. Matter of fact our R&D cars are our show cars, daily drivers, and they also do track duty. That alone speaks for the quality, durability and workmanship we put into everything we design and engineer.

We want nothing to do with ZPI. We never did. We only work with honest companies. We feel as though the price difference between our kits is negligible due to the obsessive-compulsive nature of our quality. We would like to see all tC owners with our kit.

The bottom line is that our prototypes were already in use, when you decided to enter the market. Our kit specs were out before you even had a car, and then you magically came up with specs, suspiciously identical to ours before you even knew what these cars were capable of! We did all the R&D and the testing on these cars and you basically just took it and used it. Guess it was our fault for letting the scion community know what these cars are capable of. Times like these cause us to be very cautious as to what information we release on the internet, and that's not a good thing for the scion community.

Wow. I don't know how anyone could come to this conclusion. We are putting out power and times. 425 wheel HP and 12.0 sec 1/4 mile. We were first in the 14's, 13's, and 12's. We do extensive testing. Did you google us? Did you google the competition? Do it PLEASE! All you will see is history of performance. No show, just straight up horsepower, suspension, and braking. There is no relation between quick (tCtunerz) and Scionspeed other than that they are one vendor. If you read these posts closely, he is also planning on selling ZPI kits. He has no specific ties to us. As a matter of fact, we weren't aware of any problems anyone has had with them, because we are not involved in any way shape or form of that website. I hope we have made this abundantly clear. That is a flat-out lie. If we were interested in show more than go, we would not be including TEIN S-Tech springs with our kits. We would be giving away hats and t-shirts.

 

i am in by no means saying your kit isn't everything you say it is, but this is right from one of your vendors website "Scion Speed Level 1 Turbo System (65% - 85% increase in power)" everyone just assumed those are the specs you gave them to advertise.

http://www.racingsolution.com/showpa...on=DisplayPart

 

Wow, maybe I am crazy, but it seems idiotic that two companies are trying to improve their reputations by mildly slandering each other on a forum. I see very reputable companies doing this all the time, like Toyota for instance. If anything these childish postings would only make me want to wait for a factory backed SC. Nevermind the performance compromise, the fact that both companies even confront the possability that they are selling "thin air" is disgraceful. Try saying such things about Toyota in a public forum and see what happens.

 

You know I don't know about all of this going back and forth with he said she said. I googled Jamasco and ZPI and they both have reputable backgrounds. It is a hard decision to make. Me being a customer want to be waited on and giving anything i ask for as any customer should because without us there is no Jamasco or ZPI.


Now true i havent had any direct contact with Jamasco and im not taking away from their product but i have being dealing with ZPI and i understand the fact that neither company wants to leak their specifics due to copy cats. Its a business and it is ruff.

So to make things a little less hostile on this thread how bout customers just post their experiences with the 2. Granted Jamasco kit isnt out yet but this is for the future customer.

Now dealing with ZPI on a daily basis before i order my kit by calling and asking question after question they have been more then helpful in answering my questions and any worries i may have. They are patient and do not seem to get annoyed when on the phone no matter how long i keep them on unlike my past experiences with other retailers which ever they may be. To me that is a plus it tells me that they want to satify the customer and that they are there for me and others. I have a friend of mine who also is getting a turbo kit but was waiting for GREDDY to release theirs is now going to be a proud owner of a ZPI tubo kit.

They were able to answer more specific questions about their specs and what some of the parts that are included in their kit without giving away too much info of course which i understand. They were able to tell my why they decided to make some decisions on the making and contants of the kits instead of going another way which i find very helpful.

So to make a long story short, i am not trying to take away from anyone elses products (Jamasco) i am just giving my opinion as a consumer. I am hoping to here from some of your consumers in the future.


Loyal tC owner

 

With all due respect, I think free t-shirts and hats would be an excellent idea. This should include those that don't buy the turbo kit. In fact, it would probably be most prudent to give away t-shirts and hats as well as some free food for starving students.

This approach to PR would forever repair any reputation.

BTW, free watches would be good too.

 

kind of like what ^^ said, i'll be more then happy to back who ever hooks me up with a turbo kit

 

Scion Speed we are not going to go back and forth with you. We stated what we have to say we have the emails and we know you are full of ****. We are glad that you have a great google search congrats.....

Enjoy the title of the "World's fasted Scion" while it lasts. We have some of the best customers in the world and the Scion Community has been nothing short than great to us and we will continue to make a quality product as I'm sure you will.


We have all stated our peace, we need not reply to this as we will let our customers and parts speak for us.

-ZPI

 

would you mind giving me a turbo kit so i can speak for you :D

 

Free turbo kit with purchase of a t-shirt..........







































got that backwards sorry


-zpi

 

haha good 1 souljah

 

Oh, God! I just don't get it.

Why two companies exchange fire over the products that has not even come out yet? I mean, is there any point? They can talk all they want and bickering each other to death, but heck, everything is still on paper. All we have seen so far is "please PRE-ORDER and send us your money, you will get it soon..." But how are we going to trust you if the shipping date keep falling backward? This time, we have Jamasco telling us to pre-order without even mention when it is going to be shipped. I doubt the reponse is very encouraging. Yeah, yeah, we always heard "the kit is finalizing.....it will be shipped soon....one more detail to take care... one more part and we're there..." Yeah, not everything under control, right?

... are getting tired of it......

 

pretty please? me love you long time?

 

has got to be one expensive t-shirt.

 

I wouldn't worry about the delays in shipment. Delays are in no way indicative of funny business.

I keep citing videogame development. 90% of the time is spent on the last 10% of work that needs to be done. Halo had a year long delay, UT03 had a half year long "two week" wait, almost EVERY quality game has at least a months worth of delay.

If anything, from companies such as SS and ZPI, a delay is GOOD.

 

yeah but this isnt a videogame. its a turbo kit. I dont think prototyping a turbo kit and then telling everyone in the Scion community that the kit is finalized done and ready to ship and 5 months later its still not ready to ship is a reasonable excuse if you ask me.

Videogame companies all make release dates and never release on their posted date, but creating a Videogame is a lot more harder then putting a turbo kit together.

IF you ask me Scionspeed should give all their pre-ordered customer a big discount. I aint going to wait 5 months for nothing. I've waited a month for my ZPI kit and if I dont get it within 2 weeks of the the expected shipping dates it'll definitly be canceled.