Maybe they dont control YOU personally, but they do wield their influence over the public.

I dont think that can be denied intelligently. But we are getting off subject....

 

if some news outlet were to have a "turth" special. whether not it was the truth or not , or if it was beleivable or not their ratings would be insane. and then i'm sure one side or the other would love to show something of a different view other than just love or hatred of the president.

 

Who needs a joke forum... some of you people really crack me up!!!


If the smartest President ever in the history of man can't keep a blow j*b secret, how, in the name of all that is good, can a short bus reject keep a conspiracy this size quiet?
Too many haters would have been screaming at the top of their lungs and have proof about the cover up by noon, Sept 12.

 

I guess I can play along for a moment.

First thing is...there is much better quality video available to see than this guy and his "Bob's all purpose video editing software" from nerds R us.com. Try viewing some of the "actual" feed. There is no question. Unless Hollywood was in on it too. You know Bush and how Hollywood would do anything for him.

Second, in order for this conspiracy to take place, the hundreds if not thousands of people involved to make it happen..... would be impossible to maintain silence. Hell, we can't keep quite about anything secret in this country. Even if it kills us.

Third. Yes, you can place cellular calls at 30,000 feet. I've been designing and building narrow and broadband systems since the 80's. If anyone cares to discuss the polarization and propagation of RF radiation ...let me know.

Fourth. I personally know people in NY and DC that witnessed these events first hand. My neighbor's best friend died in tower 1. Real planes, real people, real deaths, real bad.

Fifth, no credible organization will show these because....they don't want to loose their credibility. That one's kind of obvious.

 

Thank you. A man with common sense.... and uses it

 

Hey, I'd love to stay and chat, but O'Rieley is on line one with my marching orders....

 

Hey, he just put me on hold....must be talkin with you.

 

We just need to conference call.. it would save time.


Unless..... do you think he might pit us against each other?????

 

Aye....I have not read the entire thread yet so I will have to go along with you on that one until I have time to watch it.

And that is why so much has come out...because you cnat keep a secret like this. Black boxes were found in the debris of WTC 1 and 2. Have you ever heard the mainstrem media mention that? And the testimony of firefighters putting out the fires that there were multiple explosions?

There is a lot of disinformation out there....I will go back to the point I am coming from: WTC 7 proves demolition charges were used. I am NOT defending missile theories, ray-guns or flying saucers. That is where the entire 9/11 investigation went wrong...focusing in on the silly while forgeting about the obvious...WTC7.

I in no way question the deaths of innocent people, I am ONLY questioning the official version of the events because there are so many holes in the story it looks like swiss cheese.

How come they won't even try to explain WTC 7? By not investigating what happened and simply parroting what the gov't said, they show there true colors...not to inform and investigate, but to conform and ignore the FACTS involving the collapse of WTC 1,2 and 7.
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If I may, I would like to say this....fire did NOT cause the collapse of WTC 7.

Cardington fire tests prove that "A steel building survived fires in experiments with extreme temperatures beyond the range possible with jet fuel".

The Madrid fire in 2005 burnt for 24 hours looking like a torch and never collapsed.

Fire Enginering Magazine said "The investigation of the WTC "is a half-baked farce." This magazine has been around for over 100 years. They also stated "All of the important evidence from the disaster was destroyed, illegally, and before the investigation was even concluded, some before it began! "

Building 7 at the WTC, 47 floors, steel, and constructed differently from the twin towers, fell at 5:30 but it was never hit by an airplane, had no significant fire! The fires were not long enough (only 1-2 hours) to harm the steel. Yet days later, there were "hot spots" in the building that still exceeded the maximum temperature possible from jet fuel - but not from explosives.

 

 

I heard some clicking noise on the phone. I hung up.

 

The WTC towers were not your typical steel frame building. They were built with a steel exoskeleton and used heavy barjoists to support the concrete floors. The towers were built this way to make the maximum use of floor space, without the normal reenforcing inner steel found on most buildings, especially around elevator shafts. Walk into a large gymnasium or Walmart Super Center and look at the roof supporting system found there. This is the same type supporting structure that was used in the WTC. Normally, steel buildings are designed to withstand a 2 hour burn through time before the structure begins to weaken. The WTC towers did stand for almost two hours after initial impact. Add the fact that the supporting clips which hold the bar joists in place were designed to hold the weight of the bar joists, as well as the concrete flooring and anything palced in the building. After impact, you have the additonal weight of the aircraft remains, as well as any water from the sprinkler system. This will change the load bearing hold time for the heavy clips holding the bar joists. When we have to bend steel on a job site (tower erection work), we use heat and pressure. On that day, you had heat present from anything on those floors which were burning, and from the smoke plume, there was a lot of stuff burning. You also have additional weight (pressure) placed on the joists and clips. Eventually, once the clips on a floor can no longer take the heat and pressure, teh will bend causing the bar joists and concrete floor they support to fall to the next floor. From that added weight, with heat still present, you soon have a chain reaction. With a steel exoskeleton, you end up with a implosion effect, which is why the towers crumbled down the way they did

 

 

So, what was so important in WT 7 that it needed to be destroyed?? Was that where the new world order was kept?

In a controlled enviornment, a building will burn one way, in an uncontrolled environment, no one can say what reaction different substances will have? WT 7 was heavily damaged from the collapse of the twin towers....do you think the engineers has even considered that scenario when they designed it?

Now, it is fact that the fireproofing in the towers was improperly applied, it was even missing in some areas, so, we all know that there are never any corners cut in big building projects and union steelworkers never do shoddy work.....So, you ask us to believe some "Blair Witch Project" docomentary, do me the same courtesy and look at another side.
And please, pray tell, what would be gained from killing 3000 people, destroying all those buildings and crippling the economy?

 

I don't see why or how someone would want to go out of their way to destroy WTC7. I don't find it hard to beleive that there is more to the picture than what we are being told, but the first rule of a good conspiracy theory is it should at least be somewhat plausible. Explosive charges in WTC7 makes no sense IMO.

 

explosive charges in any wtc makes no sense let alone the only one not directly hit. it honestly makes no sense. good cath biznox

 

Ya know what I find really funny about all of this? Anytime there is a "government conspiracy theory" floating around, all of a sudden it's as if our government is one big, united front and they're keeping this huge secret. Hello?! Have you seen our government? They don't agree on anything and they couldn't keep a secret to save their lives. You say this is all a big Republican cover-up, yet not one democrat is aware of it, or making an issue out of it? Sure. The democrats in the senate have been out for Bush's head from day one. Do you really think they would just ignore something like this if there was a shred of truth to it? Your closets must be full of infomercial junk.

 

^^There are some Repubs out for Bush's head as well.

 

And that just strengthens matt's argument....
In a day when most everyone is too lazy to work for a living, don't you think people with just a shred of PROVEABLE evidence would be tripping over their own feet to get someone to buy it?

 

This thread kills me..