Of course no design is perfect, but the collapse of those three towers is suspicious at best. If you really research the design of the towers, you will discover that they were actually overbuilt, as was most things back then (compare a car from the 50's to a modern one as an example).

A highly relevant expert was Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management who said that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse. The WTC buildings could take a direct hit from a fully loaded 707, which was the largest jumbo jet at the time of construction. A 707 looks just as big, or bigger, than the planes which hit the WTC.

The three WTC buildings in question weren’t all designed the same way and weren’t all hit by airplanes, yet they all collapsed in the same fashion. The only thing they seemed to have in common were relatively small and manageable fires, as indicated by the work of firefighters right up to the moment of collapse. From the government’s report we know that only a small percentage of the supporting columns in each of the first two buildings were severed, and that the jet fuel burned off in just a few minutes.

To follow the latest “leading hypothesis”, what are the odds that all the fireproofing fell off in just the right places, even far from the point of impact? Without much test data, let’s say it’s one in a thousand. And what are the odds that the office furnishings converged to supply highly directed and (somehow) forced-oxygen fires at very precise points on the remaining columns? Is it another one in a thousand? What is the chance that those points would then all soften in unison, and give way perfectly, so that the highly dubious “progressive global collapse” theory could be born? I wouldn’t even care to guess. But finally, with well over a hundred fires in tall buildings through history, what are the chances that the first, second and third incidents of fire-induced collapse would all occur on the same day? Let’s say it’s one in a million. Considering just these few points we’re looking at a one in a trillion chance, using generous estimates and not really considering the third building (no plane, no jet fuel, different construction).

Solving the problem is a personal challenge, and involves at least three-steps. First, we have to admit we were wrong, and that we were fooled. This is not easy for most people, but congratulations to the neo-cons for noticing that their political opponents seem to be least able to admit they were wrong on any significant issue. Secondly, we have to see that terrorism is actually much worse than we feared because the terrorists are in charge. Such a pause on a national scale would be dramatic to say the least. If we get to the third step we begin to realize the scope of change necessary to move forward in a conscious manner.

If you make it through step one and care enough about people to work for step three, you may face ridicule and isolation. You may lose your income and some friends, but if we continue down the same path there’s a real chance you’re going to lose those anyway. On the upside you may be able to hold on to some sense of integrity. The only thing you can be certain of is that we’re all in this together. No matter how you voted, what credentials or positions you hold, or what faith you have in people, you will face the consequences of our collective self-deceptions. Now is the time for each of us to decide between a stormy reality and what’s behind the fantasy curtain.




WTC 1
Just before the general collapse of WTC1 something important happens. The great antenna, which was attached to the reinforced core of WTC1, begins to sink. Let me say it again. In the split second before the general collapse of the building, the antenna and thus the core gives out. The exterior floors could not and did not drag the thick core down perfectly onto the building’s footprint. I believe this is physically impossible, given the superb architecture of the buildings. And especially their super-redundant cores.

Addiotionally, the floors above the impact point actually lean to the left as the tower starts to collapse. It is at about a 35 degree angle from the core. Somehow, instead of following that path (and the path of least resistance) it then stops its sideways fall and begins to fall straight down, as if all the core columns below it crash site gave way at the same time. Look at the aftermath photos. There is about 6 stories of column left. How is that possible? If fire weakened the steel, how is it possible that the heat traveled down 80+ stories and caused pretty musch the entire core column to fail?

 

Man, how can you say that how fast the buildings fell could prove how they were brought down? A piece of concrete that is thrown off of a building is gonna have the same speed of freefall as a piece of concrete that is pushed, or shot, or tossed off of a building. I think you need to just let it go man.
You are not going to change the minds of those in here, especially when some of us have more information than other, that read reports when it occured.

 

It cannot. It can say how they were NOT brought down though.

Because of the injustice to 3000+ innocent people, I cannot let it go. Those people, mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, friends (one victim happened to be a friend of mine) and family DESERVE to not have their lives taken from them in vain.

I dont think you really understand the equation I posted. In order for the towers to fall that fast, they would have had to NOT encounter any resistance. As is plainly evident through the dust clouds (powder clouds really) shown on DVD's, a lot of that energy was transfered to the concrete floors that made up the towers. This PROVES that the towers encountered resistance on the way to the ground. Therefore, there is no way the towers would have collapsed in the manner that they did.

Again, according to emails and PM's, I can get people to re-examine what they thought actually happened. That is all I am trying to accomplish. Eric would have wanted that, I assure you

 

do ya thang HB

 

You arent PROVING anything.. There are soo many factors in the world. I dont think you understand what I am saying.
There are people in this world that have more information than others.
And there are reasons that this information cannot be shared.
I understand that you are going to try and PROVE that 9-11 was a conspiracy. That your friends lives were taken in vain. But I assure you that this is not the case.
Not to mention. I would really like to know a few things.

As stated in the movie, one of the jets had a missile attached to the bottom of it. HAHAHAH, you really have to be joking me. So you are telling me that an airline would be willing to strap a missile on the bottom of their plane? Or are you saying that someone else put it on there without the airline knowing. Or maybe the airline was in cahoots and allowed whomever to strap a missile on the airplane and NO ONE would notice it. Not the people that load the bags up, not the people that direct the airplane to the harddock?
Oh and if you think the airline was in on it. WHY would they be? Do you have any idea how much money they lost after that?

I am just trying to see where you are coming from. You are giving all of these equations on how there is no way the building could have fallen that quickly. The world if full of impossibilities happening, not to mention, maybe you forgot something in your equation.

I am not saying you have, but there are sooooooo many outside possibilities that many people look for the worst case scenario and believe it. Why? Its simple. Because they do not want to believe that something like this could be caused by anyone except for someone they dispise.

Examples of this.. Whenever you want to believe that your significant other is cheating, you will make up some seriously insane stories to believe it. You know thats right..

 

THAT is disinformation and AT NO TIME did I say I believe that (I can assure you, I do NOT).

My research focus is on WTC 7 (mainly) and WTC 1 and 2 and HOW THEY FELL.

As far as I am concerned, everything else is a waste of time.

 

Phew.. lol, cause that really is some dumb a$$ thinking.

I will tell you right now that I have not researched WTC7 and honestly never will. I applaud you for your research and tenacity with the subject.
We all have different information, some more than others, some have done more research, but the truth of the matter is, you will never get me to believe 9-11 was a conspiracy, and I will never get you to believe that it wasnt.

I hope there are no hard feelings BTW. I dont think you are an idiot or anything, I hope you realize that...

I just hate reading this crap online. We need to remember 9-11 and never let it happen again.. whether it be a conspiracy or not. People need to learn from it, we need to come together as people and live good lives.

 

As a scientist, I look for proof. When the government told me one thing, I decided to look into the events myself because it did not seem right to me...no military interception of stray aircraft, the black box recordings that were never released and then I found WTC 7. The smoking gun if you will.

Why would that statement only apply to me? It seems like you will ONLY accept that terrorists were solely responsible. I, on the other hand, choose to examine evidence for myself and draw my own conclusions, free of the spin put on the story by the government


Huh? That is 100% false. If I think my GF is cheating, I will look for signs (evidence, if you will) that it is so. I am not so insecure that I would think she was cheating if there were no FACTS to support that. I would investigate (as I have done with 9/11) and come to a conclusion. If I found enough evidence she was cheating, I would confront her with that EVIDENCE, not the FEELINGS I have that I THINK she is cheating, but solid evidence.

Believe me, I started my journey into 9/11 simply looking for evidence to back up my gov'ts claims. I figured it would be easy to do. I didnt really think they had anything to do with it, and I was calling for carpet bombings of that damn desert. But the more I looked, the more questions were raised.

Please ignore that initial video link. If it talks of pods and no plane hitting the Pentagon, ignore it. Focus in on the ONE (three actually) event that we have NUMEROUS live footage of. From many different angles. This is the only real evidence out there.

 

What I meant about the GF thing, yes you will look for signs, but the majority of people will imagine things are worse than they actually are.

I didnt mean these to be directly pointing at you. I hope you see that, this is pointing to the average person.

 

I am 100% with you on that. I hope our disagreement does not spill into any other threads because that is not my intention.

See, that is my ENTIRE POINT of my investigations. How can we truly learn from 9/11 if our view of the events is entirely wrong?

If you would entertain me for a moment, what IF the govt was to blame? And we never leared that. How can we TRULY come together as a people (if you are speaking on a global scale) when we refuse (as the American public) to sit down and look at the FACTS with an open mind?

All I am saying is watch the videos (not the disinformation in the first post) commonly available at Blockbuster or NetFlicks. These are not "wacko" videos, but mainstream ones released from big name movie studios.

A review of an important one is here: http://www.media-criticism.com/Naude...s_09_2004.html

This DVD was nominated for BEST DOCUMENTARY in 2002. This is not a crack-pot point-of-view, but a LIVE, LIVING witness to the events of that day.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

If I may be so blunt (this is not aimed at any one person by the way), the majority of people are stupid. Just my opinion.

 

Hahahahaha.. ouch thats harsh, true, but harsh.. Usually I just think it, I dont let people know.

 

As you might have been able to tell, I have a big mouth and tend to ____ off a lot of people with some of the things I say.

 

blah.. oh well.. lifes a bizzatch then you die

 

Yeah, at least I have a fun car to drive until then.

 

there is a special on this on the Histroy Channel right now.

 

Yeah, but that's the "mainstream media" so everything they say is a lie because they are in on the "coverup"

 

had a lot to say about crazy conspiracy freaks, watched the video, going to make an appointment with a psychiatrist to see if i have any paranoid tendacies

 

I forgot that if the facts dont support the theory then its because the facts are indeed just part of the coverup. I should have known the History channel was in on it.